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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Triple blade to IE is such a good build that it's hard to argue for anything else on MF/Trist/Twitch. I get 1dlabe into 2 avarice instead of 3 dblades on twitch. It's hard to say though, I really like the hp from dblade especially since I go atmas after my banshees but the 2 avarice + ie + green pot make you crit like crazy with your ulti. The gold/5 is also neat. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
LW is best as a 1-stop shot for Armor Penetration, as it has negative synergy with flat penetration and armor reduction. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I'd skip on my first doran item and just get a longsword if I could, but that's not very realistic these days. There's that brutalizer/ghostblade build that also works and is easier to play with (because it's much easier to spam volley than to position yourself safely for autoattacks), but it's still suboptimal imo. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/cbp7M.jpg) QUADRA KILL WITH OLAF MAN POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRR | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
How does W,Q,W,E,W,R,Q,Q,Q,Q,R sound in comparison to W,Q,W,E,W,R,W,Q,W,Q,R | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:51 Juicyfruit wrote: I find it very hard to justify going 3-Dblade on Ashe, who has really bad innate DPS-potential. I'm pretty convinced that I should just get Iedge and LW ASAP, and skip all that doran stacking nonsense. I'd skip on my first doran item and just get a longsword if I could, but that's not very realistic these days. There's that brutalizer/ghostblade build that also works and is easier to play with (because it's much easier to spam volley than to position yourself safely for autoattacks), but it's still suboptimal imo. IE/LW is just as or even more suboptimal on Ashe... Ashe is a bad autoattacker compared to other champs, and crit/LW doesn't help your Volleys at all. On October 14 2010 02:07 Juicyfruit wrote: Also, I'm getting the impression that mindlessly putting points into volley every 2 levels isn't quite as good as it sounds. How does W,Q,W,E,W,R,Q,Q,Q,Q,R sound in comparison? Sounds like being stuck on 12 seconds cooldown instead of 4. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I'm sad to say that I don't like brut/GB as much as I used to. Sad because I was one of the first to suggest that build on Ashe, even before you I think. And firing volley every 4 second isn't really that great of an idea. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:35 HazMat wrote: I get 1dlabe into 2 avarice instead of 3 dblades on twitch. It's hard to say though, I really like the hp from dblade especially since I go atmas after my banshees but the 2 avarice + ie + green pot make you crit like crazy with your ulti. The gold/5 is also neat. I actually open Dshield into 2 Avarice Blades -> IE on Twitch. With 9 in defense and 21 in utility. I might just suck at early game Twitch, though. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I do believe red + slow arrow stacks, so they're REALLY slow when you come a-knocking, not even ghost/flash is gonna let them get away. That said, solomid level 10 is really pushing the limit at which a gank can be considered effective, so I am unwilling to put this into practice. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:41 Mogwai wrote: LW is best as a 1-stop shot for Armor Penetration, as it has negative synergy with flat penetration and armor reduction. it works well as a dps/arpen item in a single slot but it defintely isn't countersynergistic with other arpen and armred items I just did some math in class and I'm on my touch so I don't wanna type it all out but assuming 80 base damage and 0.85 aspd and 20 armor pen from runes as well as 100 armor on enemy champ also I'm saying bruta gives 15 arpen and 20 AD cause I can't remember the right numbers exactly but I know I'm close bruta + bf sword results in 66.92 dps bruta + bruta + long sword gives 74 dps assuming brutas stack bruta + last whisper gives 85.5 dps cut their armor to 80 and last whisper still gives more dps cut armor to 60 and double bruta does more damage higher than 100 armor LW obviously helps more So unless they have no tanks and you're allowed to gun right for their 40 armor trist, last whisper is always a better investment than flat arpen but in a real game garen is going to be chasing you away so LW Will be muchore effective on him | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
Feed twice then begin talking trash (works best on Morde against their squishy carry since you benefit from their fed-ness) Tell someone on their team to "grow up" as soon as they make a comment after dieing Telling the other team that this is your first time playing tristana since getting her on facebook and you are wondering why you can't take your R skill like on Udyr | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:44 gtrsrs wrote: it works well as a dps/arpen item in a single slot but it defintely isn't countersynergistic with other arpen and armred items I just did some math in class and I'm on my touch so I don't wanna type it all out but assuming 80 base damage and 0.85 aspd and 20 armor pen from runes as well as 100 armor on enemy champ also I'm saying bruta gives 15 arpen and 20 AD cause I can't remember the right numbers exactly but I know I'm close bruta + bf sword results in 66.92 dps bruta + bruta + long sword gives 74 dps assuming brutas stack bruta + last whisper gives 85.5 dps cut their armor to 80 and last whisper still gives more dps cut armor to 60 and double bruta does more damage higher than 100 armor LW obviously helps more So unless they have no tanks and you're allowed to gun right for their 40 armor trist, last whisper is always a better investment than flat arpen but in a real game garen is going to be chasing you away so LW Will be muchore effective on him All sources of ArPen are unique and do not stack with themselves. E.G. Bruta does not stack with Bruta but will stack with Ghostblade. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:10 Juicyfruit wrote: Yes, ashe is a bad autoattacker, but since you're ricing your lane solo and technically still a ranged carry, you're expected to provide the most sustainable damage to your team possible. I'm sad to say that I don't like brut/GB as much as I used to. Sad because I was one of the first to suggest that build on Ashe, even before you I think. And firing volley every 4 second isn't really that great of an idea. For sustainable damage, firing a Volley every 2.4 seconds is awesome. You hit several people with it and you don't even have to enter danger zone. You free up CC to protect other allies, and you can still attack even when you are low since you stay at 1k range. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
Doran's blade though is a better item to pull into the midgame. You won't be needing the lifesteal early, but it helps out more once you get some attack speed and need to gank / teamfight. By this point you will have less and less mana issues and the extra AP isn't helping so much with a pure AD/AS build. Doran's shield is specifically for when you know you're going to get hit. The health regen and armor will keep you alive against ashe and kog mid early. (or if you're just a baddie like me.. Starting shield on a carry has saved me more than once) So even when I play an AD carry mid I try to get my first item based on the opponents I'm facing. Starting meki or vamp is always bad though even if you're going to buy them again later  | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:10 Juicyfruit wrote: Yes, ashe is a bad autoattacker, but since you're ricing your lane solo and technically still a ranged carry, you're expected to provide the most sustainable damage to your team possible. I'm sad to say that I don't like brut/GB as much as I used to. Sad because I was one of the first to suggest that build on Ashe, even before you I think. And firing volley every 4 second isn't really that great of an idea. it's less about actually firing Volley every 4 seconds than it is about having the option to fire volley every 4 seconds. EDIT: have I mentioned that I think Manamune is in a really good place right now? I think the item is exactly where it should be. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:51 STS17 wrote: All sources of ArPen are unique and do not stack with themselves. E.G. Bruta does not stack with Bruta but will stack with Ghostblade. really? cars have wheels? since when!? my math is just a demonstration that for its cost, Last Whisper will always provide improved DPS over flat arpen items of similar cost (i didn't want to compare ghostblade because it's a chunk more expensive, so i did bruta + long sword which is close to equivalent cost) against realistically armored targets, which seems counterintuitive but is true. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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