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Noobville17922 Posts
On October 12 2010 03:07 Crucifix wrote: Prolly I suck, because it was my first game with her :D Sure I've asked him, I love trashtalking after raping the other team, ahh... so fun i was quoting what he said ;p I would have asked him fi he was mad everytime he said something | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
This is not going to end well. | ||
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Lopert
Canada17 Posts
I just q-dodged to play with a friend, expecting to have to wait 6 minutes but it's telling me 15 for a single dodge? or is it just fail coding?  | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On October 12 2010 03:19 Lopert wrote: Did they increase the dodge penalty? I just q-dodged to play with a friend, expecting to have to wait 6 minutes but it's telling me 15 for a single dodge? or is it just fail coding? i believe if you do it twice in a row then you get 15. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
edit: I, too, was quite annoyed when I discovered that a few days ago. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
The problem with him is most people are not aware of the intricacies of his play. Early game heavily revolves around mana consumption. Just because you can bomb, rewind, bomb, doesnt mean you should. I get rewind at 4 because 99% of the time there is no reason for me to use it. You should focus on harassing the enemy with bombs and ricing where possible. Going to base and buying tear of the goddess asap is also recommended. You can usually fully charge one in about 15 or so minutes. Once you have a tear you basically can't run out of mana unless the team fight goes on for too long or you're wasting it on foolish rewinds. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY 0 REASON TO REWIND ON COOLDOWN. Rewind when both of your spells are on cooldown because you recently just used them! Zilean's strengths come from rewinding after a successful spell for basically a double effect. Don't use it to reduce the cooldown on your bombs from 7 seconds to 0 because thats just a waste of mana. You can be super duper annoying with Zilean by bombing anyone thats infront of a team fight and letting them drag it back to the rest of their team. If they dont, they tend to split up causing a good positon for your team to teamfight. Zilean doesnt have as much control or staying power as Sona, Soraka, Taric, or Janna. But he does a TON more damage to than them and has an ultimate that can shift the tide of a battle in a huge way. He is also a ton more effective in smaller scenerios (1v1 or 2v2, etc) | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On October 12 2010 02:57 mrgerry wrote: In general I look at it like this: Ranged carry best friend: Janna Melee carry best friend: Zilean I don't really like comparing Zilean to Sona/Taric since they fill different roles. Every team will always want heals so they will be picked regardless and most teams that run janna will also want to run some heals as well. Zilean is probably easier to compare to other casters since he has a strong nuke and cc with a support ult. Zilean just takes some getting used too since he has to multi-task between so many things. Gotta worry about putting down bombs, looking for opportunities to slow speed up, while determining where your ult would be best used. And you should all pick Zilean since he will make people who dont buy merc treads rage with his 5.5 second long slow GG. Its only 4.5 seconds! but with blue buff and very minimal CDR you can spam max rank rewind and timewarp for 100% uptime on slow or speed OR 80% uptime on slow or speed on 2 players (theres about 1 second where the buff will fall off) | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
*shrugs* Sona/Soraka/Taric/Janna are less reliant on ONE good hero as they can support an entire team. Zil's probably phenomenal in like a duo queue or something but in a 5 rank barring some Zilean-centric teams (like 4 tanks with GA) I think he's pretty bleh. Re; Veigar, given that it's Yiruru I'd assume most of that 200 was off Q. It was also like a 40 minute game. Whether you like it or not he can gib one person, which is fine and all, but then just sits there and soaks up damage. Which isn't "bad" per se but also not particularly good. He doesn't bring much else to your team, so there absolutely must be someone worth killing that can make up for him. As I mentioned the majority of his teamfight damage came off Kass' snare (as Horizon doesn't stun long enough) and that's fine but it also speaks to his individual weakness; there're better heroes to play if you want a farm-all-game-and-smash-people character. Edit: For example, in that one game where you ended up trash-talking the other team's Zilean, what you failed to mention was that it helps to have Kassadin capable of curbstomping the other team 1vX. It makes it pretty easy when you have someone rampaging. On the other hand their Zilean had nothing he could do - whoever he ulted would get insta-gibbed by me anyways (except for Garen but Garen sucks against Kass), and then Zilean himself would get popped in ~3 hits to me. Maybe it's my own lack of skill with the hero but I didn't see anything he could do more. He ulted almost every hero on that team to no avail, the only time I died was when I jumped 1v4 with no HP in an effort to gib TF and run, only to get miss my blind E and die like a fool to gold card. Game was over by that point, though, as I'd outdamaged 4 of their team en route to that quad-kill. Edit2: Ruru won us the game anyways with a clutch Baron steal (which Veigar is AWESOME at) but, uhh, yeah. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i forgot that typing "I'm not sure if you're serious" is better than having the words with a picture! silly me! | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On October 12 2010 03:29 Southlight wrote: He's also more reliant on someone else being good enough to be worth reviving. *shrugs* Sona/Soraka/Taric/Janna are less reliant on ONE good hero as they can support an entire team. Zil's probably phenomenal in like a duo queue or something but in a 5 rank barring some Zilean-centric teams (like 4 tanks with GA) I think he's pretty bleh. Re; Veigar, given that it's Yiruru I'd assume most of that 200 was off Q. It was also like a 40 minute game. Whether you like it or not he can gib one person, which is fine and all, but then just sits there and soaks up damage. Which isn't "bad" per se but also not particularly good. He doesn't bring much else to your team, so there absolutely must be someone worth killing that can make up for him. As I mentioned the majority of his teamfight damage came off Kass' snare (as Horizon doesn't stun long enough) and that's fine but it also speaks to his individual weakness; there're better heroes to play if you want a farm-all-game-and-smash-people character. Edit: For example, in that one game where you ended up trash-talking the other team's Zilean, what you failed to mention was that it helps to have Kassadin capable of curbstomping the other team 1vX. It makes it pretty easy when you have someone rampaging. On the other hand their Zilean had nothing he could do - whoever he ulted would get insta-gibbed by me anyways (except for Garen but Garen sucks against Kass), and then Zilean himself would get popped in ~3 hits to me. Maybe it's my own lack of skill with the hero but I didn't see anything he could do more. He ulted almost every hero on that team to no avail, the only time I died was when I jumped 1v4 with no HP in an effort to gib TF and run, only to get miss my blind E and die like a fool to gold card. Game was over by that point, though, as I'd outdamaged 4 of their team en route to that quad-kill. Edit2: Ruru won us the game anyways with a clutch Baron steal (which Veigar is AWESOME at) but, uhh, yeah. Their zilean sucked not because he had nobody to ult but because he built to be ineffective. He had a lot of health and regen items instead of AP items and consequently his bombs did nothing. He also didnt abuse his mobility to throw bombs on other players or even to harass you. I mean yeah you carried that game but that zilean had such a big lead and threw away any chance at late game effectiveness by building poor items. edit: his passive is pretty boss too | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On October 12 2010 03:45 gtrsrs wrote: i forgot that typing "I'm not sure if you're serious" is better than having the words with a picture! silly me! I think there were two "good"s there. "Good" in quotation marks meaning "competent, not dumb" and "good" on its own meaning "powerful, game-changing, top tier". That's how I read it anyway. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Uta, I think part of the problem is your perspective being slanted by how much Kassadin trashes Zilean at all stages of the game. Zilean can be a nightmare if played well on a team of or against close range heroes and provides more map control than anyone short of Shaco or Nidalee. Probably some other heroes too, but he's up at the top of the list. Kass is better than him there too, actually. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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s_side
United States700 Posts
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
I still like Triforce. bad mechanics :D | ||
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eagle
United States693 Posts
Greetings Summoners! This week’s 10 free champions have been rotated. Here's this week's free champs: Week 14 (this week) Anivia, Corki, Katarina, Kayle, Nunu, Singed, Tristana, Veigar, Zilean, Pantheon | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
Corki Singed Veigar Zilean Team "I don't know what the fuck i'm doing!" | ||
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