EPTOn October 02 2010 01:29 Jazriel wrote:
I just get buffering. I'm sad now.
I just get buffering. I'm sad now.
It hasn't started yet, so don't be sad.
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
It hasn't started yet, so don't be sad. | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On October 01 2010 15:55 Mogwai wrote: but by getting SotO and Levithan you get +3 bravery and that's only like 3/4 the cost of warmogs. there are more cost efficient ways to get bravery. EDIT: players are bad enough in the 1500 that Rambo's bravetheon is my build of choice right now. people seriously aren't good enough for tanktheon to be effective so might as well be all in on feeding harder off them than they feed off my team. Ah, i was talking about the tiamat  | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 02 2010 01:30 Southlight wrote: The problem to me (I finish items early when I can, except for RoA - I feel like it kicks in too slow so I tend to sit on Cata for a while, which is a different topic altogether) is that if you're blatantly being brutalized by a specific hero or one hero has the ability to make life difficult for you, it doesn't make sense to me to finish an item "because you're supposed to" as opposed to building to prevent dying to that hero. That's the main reason why I buy/build defensive items at all after all, otherwise I go entirely offense when I can. For example that weird Kass game I was actually looking at going GA -> Zhonya and then I'll think about what to do with the Catalyst later. Hence why I bought NLR and then started building for GA - the 40 AP boost from NLR was nice. In retrospect it may have been better to skip the NLR altogether and just rushing the GA and then coming back to AP, or building SS and going for GA that way, but that's going home with 1600 gold for you, lol. Also when it comes to certain defensive items (Chain/Nega) I'm content sitting on them without even building them into anything. Hence why I brought up the times I pop up with Cata -> Chain -> Negatron -> resume regular build, without ever touching those two items again. I feel like there's a thin line to tread, there... ... but at the same time I understand the perks of finishing a big item early (like Zhonya). Edit: For example, if you're getting your butt whooped by Ezreal, it doesn't make sense to me to buy Blasting Wand to work towards a completed RoA instead of just buying Chain Vest. If you think RoA kicks in too slow, wouldn't it actually make more sense to finish it asaply...? Anyways, I think it's more player dependent. I guess with your scenario, I find it hard to imagine a Kass getting his ass handed to by an Ez. Both have blink, you just have to stay in brush more if it's laning and stay out of team fights until Ez commits to another champion first. Nothing wrong with walking in, Pulse or Sphere and Rift away. That is your role after all. There should be no scenario where Ez is gunning down after you and you dying to him unless he has red and has good control. If that's the case, not even Chain Vest is going to save you then. | ||
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Darkchylde
United States473 Posts
Some random informational links: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/wcg2010 http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=271518 irc.quakenet #clgaming | ||
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Southlight
United States11762 Posts
I bought Chain (obviously). It makes no sense to me to buy a Blasting Wand to try to rush the RoA in this sort of case, because I need to stop the Ezreal (it's my job D: ) but I'm taking way too much damage from Ezreal to handle him. I agree it's player dependent (and maybe hero dependent as well). In a case like this I don't even really hesitate, I immediately begin building instant-gratification defensive items to try to stabilize the game from my perspective, and I find a lot of flow-chart players try to finish RoA because "they're supposed to" and just keep dying, and then bitch about "that fed Ezreal" and QQing about crappy teammates. On the other hand that's an extreme example where I don't think any decent player would have opted for the Blasting Wand, I was just bringing up how my build looks all f'd up in that game but (aside from NLR, which could have been SS or a faster GA completion) I felt very compelled to do it... and it worked out beautifully because once I bought Chain the Ezreal couldn't kill me anymore and I never died again and that essentially locked down Ezreal (I went for GA/Null because they had some other caster that was beginning to ping me down). So you end up with this fine line between stabilizing defensively and finishing a core item. | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Anyways, I'm still having a hard time imagining how a Chain Vest would actually be fight changing in that situation. +45 Armor was the difference between getting killed by a Ez with BF Sword and 3 levels up on you and survivng? ehhhh..... Like I said earlier, I am rather "flow chart-y" when it comes to my item builds. I adapt via play style and warding. I would've gotten that Blasting Ward if it was me. :D | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 02 2010 01:46 GogoKodo wrote: The games are supposed to be recorded as well so if you miss them live you can watch them afterwards. Hey, don't try and weasel out of your responsibility of live reporting now! .... please? lol | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On October 02 2010 01:50 NeoIllusions wrote: Hey, don't try and weasel out of your responsibility of live reporting now! .... please? lol I would...if the damn stream worked. It's definitely not on my end -- I have a 20mb/s fibre connection. I think they're just overloaded | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On October 02 2010 01:53 oberon wrote: I would...if the damn stream worked. It's definitely not on my end -- I have a 20mb/s fibre connection. I think they're just overloaded The streams are not live yet. | ||
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Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
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Southlight
United States11762 Posts
The +45 armor I felt was huge because, well obviously it's 45% mitigation on his damage. In a standing fight he probably would have killed me, but when I entered the first combat he basically 4-shot me with two Mystics, Arcane, and Ignite, given that his Q was doing like 400 damage to me. Afterwards the Mystics started doing only like 200 so I could not only survive long enough for my superior jumping CD to get me out, I was a far less attractive option for him to hit, so whenever he turned his attention to me it was out of begrudging need. But again that's an extreme example. How about less of an extreme one. I have Cata, Sorc, SS, and just went 4-0 in a teamfight, but my team still feels "behind" because of a fed/farmed Tristana, a hero I know I can't handle the longer the game goes on. I have 9 SS stacks and 1600 gold. The most common option at this point is to farm a bit more, then return to finish RoA. I might fountain and buy Wand + Chain. It could be a bad decision, and one born out of a lack of trust in my team to soak up damage from the Trist, because my team needs me to output damage. Or, it could be a great decision as I outlast the Trist, kill her, and proceed to clean up everyone else to keep snowballing with the SS. You would obviously just finish the RoA. But I think there's a fine line there, hahah. Edit: By the way the exact reasoning behind Wand + Chain. Chain is obviously straight-forward. I want to not die fast, and in this case because I'm being demanded to carry so hard with a poking hero I need to take out their DPS ASAP and then try to attrition the rest of their team. Wand I would buy both because it's on the way to RoA, and also because if I need to I can build it into something else, especially Void Staff in the case the opponent begins reacting to me as well. That way if they buy Negatron I'm already 860 gold up on them because I was prepared, so I can juts turn it into Void with the next 1430 and keep rolling. However at that point I'm investing in offense instead of defense, so when that situation arises I'd be making a similar decision again, of whether to finish RoA (for survival) or Void (to kill). | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
also, LoL is weird compared to other DotA/HoN in that better/combined items are more or at least as cost-efficient or better than their corresponding cheaper items. In DotA, you got end-game items because of limitations to item slots. In LoL, end-game items are more cost-efficient (with the exception of Doran's stuff) | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
The stream says it's live with 4k viewers... but then just doesn't load.Not sure if that qualifies as "not live". Also, an earlier post said stream was starting at 10AM PST which is...now? | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
 Firecrest Nasus... really? | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 02 2010 01:59 azndsh wrote: btw, am i the only person that's incredibly bothered by "asaply"... as soon as possibly"? also, LoL is weird compared to other DotA/HoN in that better/combined items are more or at least as cost-efficient or better than their corresponding cheaper items. In DotA, you got end-game items because of limitations to item slots. In LoL, end-game items are more cost-efficient (with the exception of Doran's stuff) yes, you are obv the only one dsh. Live with it! But it's ok. I talk like a moron with stuff like "asaply" and "lolz" but I cannot fucking stand "brave". Go figure. And I like the cost-efficiency of most of the items in LoL. Good buys~ | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On October 02 2010 01:59 oberon wrote: The stream says it's live with 4k viewers... but then just doesn't load.Not sure if that qualifies as "not live". Also, an earlier post said stream was starting at 10AM PST which is...now? Ya, own3d.tv likes to lie sometimes about the live status. Check http://www.own3d.tv/live/163 it's actually live right now (with nothing going on). But at least you can see if you will get the steam playing. | ||
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Southlight
United States11762 Posts
On October 02 2010 02:02 NeoIllusions wrote: yes, you are obv the only one dsh. Live with it! But it's ok. I talk like a moron with stuff like "asaply" and "lolz" but I cannot fucking stand "brave". Go figure. And I like the cost-efficiency of most of the items in LoL. Good buys~ Without the cost-efficiency we wouldn't be having the discussion I brought up :D | ||
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