EPTI'm just having trouble finding the most effective route. :X
I always laned with her when she first came out and used this build for gimmicky first blood stuff and to stay in lane longer. Works way better for jungle though haha.
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
I'm just having trouble finding the most effective route. :X I always laned with her when she first came out and used this build for gimmicky first blood stuff and to stay in lane longer. Works way better for jungle though haha. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Good point. I'm bad at C -.- | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
[QUOTE]On September 30 2010 18:14 Unentschieden wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2010 16:04 Southlight wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2010 15:43 Kaneh wrote: I don't get why AP is so good compared to CDR though. 2250 doesn't get you much more dmg or healing via AP, and most AP leaves her being a little too squishy. The items are relatively cheap for the CDR, or i guess you could just build a glacial and leave it at that while you get some hp. 2250 gold for 430hp, 10% CDR, infinite mana, and some regen to your team doesn't seem like all that bad a deal. it's still a pretty beefy amount of hp What items do you suggest?[/QUOTE] Sorry I forgot to reply to this: Her skills are terrible on their own (gooooooooooo 150hp heal!) so you need to buff them, low AP ratios be damned. This is urgent because beyond a certain point the only thing she brings to a fight is a dinky heal, a dinky double-nuke, and a CC that lasts like 1 second through Treads. AP also lets her farm faster (provided you can one-shot creep with Q) which is important, and so beyond that she needs to make herself felt in a teamfight. I'm actually beginning to gravitate towards useful auras (Shroud, Aegis, Frozen, etc.) because her AP ratios are way too bad end-game (hence your skills aren't really doing to do anything) but I'm not sure. I've actually personally gone back to preferring Janna - she just scales better as the game goes on ;/[/QUOTE] Something that annoys me about "Terrible AP Ratios" is that hardly anyone correctly compares them. Sonas AP ratios aren´t bad, Q and W hit 2 Targets and her ult is AOE. More importantly she has the luxury of getting the best AP items - Archangels and Soulstealer. But really, her benefit to the Team is the constant auraspam. It´s subtile but REALLY makes a difference. Her MS boost is the only consistent Team-MS boost. It doesn´t take much CDR and additional Mana for her to provide that, so she is thankfully free to build what is needed instead of relying on a "core item". AP is good in the situation that the Team doesn´t really need anything else. It´s not capped like CDR or with dimishing returns like mana (500 mana -> 1000? Good. 2000->3000 You never really need that much)[/QUOTE] Her auras give 20 of each. They're highly negligible. Movement speed buff is overrated because snares and stuns screw that up and almost every hero played these days will snare one way or another. That means the only way to actually make her worthwhile is to ensure her damage and heal makes an impact (AP) and/or to further her auras (ie. Aegis). /QUOTE] All that stuff adds up though. It´s basically 1/3rd of Singeds ultimate for the whole team. [QUOTE]On September 30 2010 23:34 Southlight wrote: Her AP ratios are definitively horrible, by the way, and it leads to her being more and more useless as the game goes on. Especially when it comes to that puny 0.5 ratio heal. Edit: Let me expound on this, because it sounds a bit unfairly one-sided of an argument. I play support heroes very defensively - if there're 3 tanks bearing down on my carry, and our three gibbers are running after their carry, I'll backpedal with our carry instead. This may or may not affect how you build certain support heroes. When Garen flashes and does DEMACIAAAAAA on your carry, your movement speed buff won't help (he runs faster anyways). [/QUOTE] That isn´t what actually happens in the game though. First oder is for your Team to scatter so you seperate from Garens AoE and more importantly Garens Team. He can only chase one while Sona increases everyones speed. Same for all the slows, how many slows are Teamwide and applied every 4.2 or even 7 seconds? [QUOTE]On September 30 2010 23:34 Southlight wrote: What do you need then? a 4.2-second cd on a 150 hp heal isn't going to cut it, you need a burst heal. That's AP. Not only that, to play it right (because her skills are auto-target) you have to wait for that carry to dip under a certain level of HP to heal, or else your heal will go to someone else and all will be sad. So that 4.2 second cd (at max cdr) is vastly overrated. [/QUOTE] Shure Sona is bad at burst heal. But currently burst heals aren´t all that great anway with everyone running ignite. [QUOTE]On September 30 2010 23:34 Southlight wrote: Well aside from your crappy 4.2 second heal the only other thing you can really do is Q (we're taking ult out of equation because that's too much of an x-factor when it comes to chaining ults etc.). So yeah you can either poke two people for a measly 270 damage (further affected by MR) every 4.2 seconds, or we can try to make it hit hard by building AP.[/QUOTE] Almost everything is migitated by MR or Armor. That is a really weird complaint. But her Q is all about the aura. I´m still really puzzled how you think 20 Dam and 20 AP for the whole Team is negligible, Tarics ultimate gives his Teammates 30 Dam and if you ever pushed a Tower with it and without you should know the difference. [QUOTE]On September 30 2010 23:34 Southlight wrote: Your choice.[/QUOTE] Which is the biggest advantage - Sona is incredibly flexible regarding her build. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On September 30 2010 18:12 Southlight wrote: AOE SKILLSHOT NUKER. mystic shot AoE imba.Ez isn't bad, he's just not godlike anymore (the important thing) and he's not really a true ranged carry. More like a skillshot nuker. Just make sure you understand that and you'll be fine. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/eKDby.png) note the tryhard neoillusions build. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
I'm talking from a standpoint of people generally not being idiots, by the way. Last night we played against a team with DOG on Taric, TreeEsk on Garen, and I forget who on Malphite and they just ran MF down. Even as Kassadin I couldn't really stop them as they just ran through the snare (Flash stun/exhaust/snare/stun etc.). Sona's even worse in that regard, she just stands there and largely just watches them kill the carry. So then what. Unlike Kayle you can't invinc the carry, and unlike Zilean you can't revive them. You are now Sona, standing there, slayer of creep in two hits if you built CDR. So what are you going to do, what do you bring to the fight? A 150 hp heal and a 270 damage nuke every 4.2 seconds? Please hold until I start trembling in fear. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
EDIT: oh man, remember when I did my 20000 range Aegis onto TreeEskimo in that game? that was hilarious, lol. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 01 2010 03:50 Unentschieden wrote: Same for all the slows, how many slows are Teamwide and applied every 4.2 or even 7 seconds? Volley, every 2.4 seconds (or 4 for lamers). Force Pulse, every 5 seconds minus whatever CDR you have. Both with decent AoE. Then there is usually a tank with Randuins, maybe a caster with Rylai's, a wealth of single target slows (red buff, Mallet) and slows on a longer cooldown. It's pretty rare to be not slowed during a teamfight. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 01 2010 03:57 Mogwai wrote: EDIT: oh man, remember when I did my 20000 range Aegis onto TreeEskimo in that game? that was hilarious, lol. That was fucking hilarious, and depressing 'cause it lost you your advantage  Edit: Wish I was recording that. Yargh. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On October 01 2010 03:57 Mogwai wrote: he couldn't afford his 6th tiamat in a 51 minute game.See, I know that's a joke game because that gangplank has a philly stone. good try though redtooth. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 01 2010 03:59 myopia wrote: Aegis isn't cost effective? I like it :[ It's not very cost-effective because the armor/mr is negligible 25 minutes into a game. It's a nice rushed item because of its early-mid-game help but mid-late-game it might as well not be there. And mots people nowadays rush HoG or something instead of Aegis, so... yeah, not really seen anymore. Edit: On October 01 2010 04:02 Mogwai wrote: yea, that was part of why we lost that game, but *shrugs* I can't really control LoL being retarded sometimes, hahaha. "This game programmed by Riot" Epic response :D | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 01 2010 03:56 redtooth wrote: AOE SKILLSHOT NUKER. mystic shot AoE imba. + Show Spoiler + note the tryhard neoillusions build. invite me to more troll games nub | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 01 2010 03:56 redtooth wrote: AOE SKILLSHOT NUKER. mystic shot AoE imba. + Show Spoiler + note the tryhard neoillusions build. So close to double 20 stacks again... | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
when someone's blue pilling don't Aegis them Edit: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=270464 Put up a bug report just for the hell of it. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On October 01 2010 04:05 Southlight wrote: What Mogwai learned is, when someone's blue pilling don't Aegis them Edit: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=270464 Put up a bug report just for the hell of it. Sounds kind of like this fun gimmick... | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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