EPTOn September 28 2010 00:44 Southlight wrote:
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Also: "omg we have no ranged DPS"
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Also: "omg we have no ranged DPS"
that happens far too often
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
that happens far too often | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On September 28 2010 00:55 Mogwai wrote: tanktheon typically stomps TF in the nuts if they fight 1v1 late game. stupidtheon drops too fast, but if you can eat 2-3 seconds of TF burst, you just trade Q with gold card, then W -> Q -> ghostblade activate, and you stomp TF. How much HP do tanktheons have? Most pantheons i've been going against have been at 2.3-2.4k hp. imo 30% dodge on my TF is pretty OP. Not to mention I run the Cleaver/starks/Bloodrazor build. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
Edit: As in, unless the other team FFs him really badly Pantheon nukes KM so badly that a stiff breeze finishes KM off >_> | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On September 28 2010 00:55 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote: Have any ballpark figures for common junglers? WW/Amumu? WW: never weak, always full health except when dragoning which someone else should be checking for with wards and visibility from bottom/jungle. (he'll be level 5-6 with double buffs) Olaf: try to catch him as soon as you hit six. If you're lucky he'll be halfway through red lizard with no pots and 2 small items, after that he'll always be at about 50% health due to the nature of his passive or he'll be setting up a gank. Either way, ult whenever because its always a good time Nunu: almost always 75% - full health and should have a point in blood boil for extra movement speed / power. Add on his natural tankiness and maxed ice ball and then make a personal judgment if you can kill him. Basically again, any time you're comfortable is a good enough time to ult on him. Those are the only ones I have experience with. | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On September 28 2010 01:09 ghen wrote: WW: never weak, always full health except when dragoning which someone else should be checking for with wards and visibility from bottom/jungle. (he'll be level 5-6 with double buffs) Olaf: try to catch him as soon as you hit six. If you're lucky he'll be halfway through red lizard with no pots and 2 small items, after that he'll always be at about 50% health due to the nature of his passive or he'll be setting up a gank. Either way, ult whenever because its always a good time Nunu: almost always 75% - full health and should have a point in blood boil for extra movement speed / power. Add on his natural tankiness and maxed ice ball and then make a personal judgment if you can kill him. Basically again, any time you're comfortable is a good enough time to ult on him. Those are the only ones I have experience with. for olaf it depends on the path they choose to go, they can also get liz at level 3 if they go Gol, wolves, wraiths, liz so if you wait till level 6 hes long since finished that(only on that particular path through jungle though) | ||
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Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
Is Garen really that OP/bs? He had nothing but FoN/SC/Boots3 and was spinning me for almost half my health when I had 140 armour and we were all around lvl 16ish. Why does this hero have so much damage/cc/burst/ms/dr? -_- | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 28 2010 01:37 Jazriel wrote: GP vs Garen in lane, what can GP do? I'm not used to playing against decent Garen's but it just seems like you can't do anything against him. I can't harass (I know GP can't harass normally, usually need a strong zoning teammate) and he just does so much damage and +ms. Is Garen really that OP/bs? He had nothing but FoN/SC/Boots3 and was spinning me for almost half my health when I had 140 armour and we were all around lvl 16ish. Why does this hero have so much damage/cc/burst/ms/dr? -_- garen is honestly the most frustrating and op hero to play against (well, ones that dont have a brain edema that is, even then...). The retarded amounts of dmg that he does with no items is one of the silliest things ever, and their recent 'nerf' of him was a joke. With him, its honestly not a metagame issue, the hero itself is so broken that he is literally banned every ranked game ive played in recent memory, and whats the most frustrating for me is that i hate playing him, even when i do well, since it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and he is so stupidly easy to play, you literally just smash q,w,e whenever they are up and watch hp bars for some r ks'ing. easily the most boring hero ever. edit: wat mog said is really the only thing you can do against him, that and call for ganks | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On September 28 2010 01:37 Jazriel wrote: GP vs Garen in lane, what can GP do? I'm not used to playing against decent Garen's but it just seems like you can't do anything against him. I can't harass (I know GP can't harass normally, usually need a strong zoning teammate) and he just does so much damage and +ms. Is Garen really that OP/bs? He had nothing but FoN/SC/Boots3 and was spinning me for almost half my health when I had 140 armour and we were all around lvl 16ish. Why does this hero have so much damage/cc/burst/ms/dr? -_- Actually easier than some others. Get deny, start denying when creeps spawn!!! - this is important, when it reaches the tower you should be able to get a second creep down, this will cause creeps to be near tower, last hit creeps with parrley since u aint going to be attacking him and he can just regen his health b. Gangplank isn't a melee hero per say. Very common mistake, I know many people are like yaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrr, grog-soaked blade so sexy, but he doesn't have enough health/armor to melee unless you build him tankplank. | ||
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Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
On September 28 2010 01:46 barbsq wrote: garen is honestly the most frustrating and op hero to play against (well, ones that dont have a brain edema that is, even then...). The retarded amounts of dmg that he does with no items is one of the silliest things ever, and their recent 'nerf' of him was a joke. With him, its honestly not a metagame issue, the hero itself is so broken that he is literally banned every ranked game ive played in recent memory, and whats the most frustrating for me is that i hate playing him, even when i do well, since it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and he is so stupidly easy to play, you literally just smash q,w,e whenever they are up and watch hp bars for some r ks'ing. easily the most boring hero ever. edit: wat mog said is really the only thing you can do against him, that and call for ganks Good, so it's not just me. I hate being forced to play passively, but I guess GP vs Garen will have me doing just that. For "competitive" LoL (meaning serious matches), is having a jungler required to win? From what I've seen of this game so far it seems that having a jungler is such an advantage it's only countered by their team having a jungler as well. Is this an accurate assessment? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On September 28 2010 00:57 Soloside wrote: 'How much HP do tanktheons have? Most pantheons i've been going against have been at 2.3-2.4k hp. imo 30% dodge on my TF is pretty OP. Not to mention I run the Cleaver/starks/Bloodrazor build. erm what runes/masteries do you run? how do you end up with 30% dodge? God my TF needs help lol. Ive resorted to running AP TF so at least I never have to get into autoattack range until its a guranteed kill | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
I think atm its poorly optimized for being run on a mac system, i run it on a macbook pro (older model, got it just before unibodies came out). It runs great on my windows partition, i dont have to close the lol client to get good fps, but on mac i get like 20 fps, which isnt really acceptable. The only weird thing, is that one time i tried ending the pvp.net client in hopes of increasing fps (which broke everything btw, i dont recommend), but somehow when i restarted lol, my fps went to a stable 60, which i found odd, esp since i tried another game and got 20 fps again. Also, the pvp net client crashes after every game i finish. However, this could all be chalked up to be being on 10.5 instead of 10.6, but i find that a bit unlikely (altho i know for sure that lol wont work on 10.4) Also, i really gotta get rid of osx's pesky mouse acceleration, but thats not riot's fault. | ||
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Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ap_dIx3CgK3adFNUeDZkeHJVUUlwUDRYU1pZUDJlUWc&hl=en#gid=0 All runes and their values and useful information (How much all the quints do or what % of dmg comes from quints if you're using 30 runes of +dmg etc) I've been wondering about Wisdom Quintessences for a while now (+xp quints), especially since I main GP. I've always thought of the idea being able to hit levels faster as being borderline OP (Ashe vs Ashe I ECA before you can GG?) but the real comment that made me consider them again is the idea that Wisdom Quints make all your scaling runes better, because you hit their max value faster. Playing a hero like GP where I need to get a minimum of 30 MP5/L and need to hit lvl 3 asap before I can start really dominating my lane has made me wonder if Swiftness Quints are really the best option. Also, has anyone done any math on XP values? In this thread: http://runeterra.com/forums/index.php?topic=752.0 Which talks about the Awareness Mastery (+5% XP Gain) and Wisdom Quints. There are some hard numbers for XP gained from creeps and jungle camps, is this information accurate? Is there a public formula for how creep XP goes up over time? | ||
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radmax86
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Canada4732 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
isn't that how we lost Pokey too? | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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On September 28 2010 00:28 Soloside wrote: why isn't soloside on there If people are actually serious about learning twisted fate or jungle yi, I'd glady give good fucking adivce. Other than that, I guess it's my fault that I fail at posting worthy topic discussions. I'm really interested in hearing about jungle yi. | ||
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BlackPaladin
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