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anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
May 03 2010 23:10 GMT
#161
On May 04 2010 07:39 broz0rs wrote:
i haven't checked out SRK forums on Juri yet, but it seems as if all her specials are easily punishable. Can someone confirm this? Most of her normals are garbage imo.


pinwheels are all punishable by a lot of shit

the only people that dont get much is like hakan without oil if he standing blocks an lk pinwheel the most he can get is a lk that he cant cancel
if hes crouching though he gets knockdown

fireball release are massive + frames, fireball kick part is some + frames

divekick is only safe if it is blocked low to the ground.. probably still unsafe to final atomic buster and friends

her normals are fine though, the ones that are negative like c.mk and such are meant to be cancelled to fireball storing or done from far away. though if you do far c.mk when ryu has super meter you will be eating that shinkuu viper beam because its -5 and the fireball kick won't reach to put him in blockstun. if vanilla sagat's long range hp tiger upper was still on the game he would've been able to punish that shit too but they made his hp upper have the range of his old lp one... can't think of anything else on the game that would reach far enough... maybe from really close but not close enough for the fireball kick spd will reach. for more footsies shit you can kara the fireball kick off s.mp just like 236 MP~K and she will reach really far with this + frames knockdown move i like this trick a lot

i want to see if juri's unblockable setups with FSE are legit or not (would she be able to do it and block in time or space it to not get burger uppercut fadc ultra punished if they guess right???)... next time i get access to training mode i will try to test but i do not think my execution is good enough to do this at first
if so then that shit is worth learning and she will be pulling some cheapass shit with that ultra.. don't get knocked down
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-04 03:37:07
May 04 2010 03:34 GMT
#162
On May 04 2010 05:42 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 16:41 anotak wrote:
On April 29 2010 08:47 kainzero wrote:
A lot of reversals will eat this up, at which point you have to bait the reversal, and you don't entirely have initiative or control.

after an untechable knockdown juri crossup j.lk meaty beats shoryus both reversal and delayed autocorrect ones

I was trying this...

The thing is, even if a DP does trade it puts them into reset state (because too many people complained about trade DP --> Ultra) so they can still DP after that.

I just don't feel particularly confident using U1 on wakeup, even though 99% of the time, it's the situation I'm using it in.

For the U1 combo I find that (overhead) - C.LK - S.MP - S.HK - EX QCB+K is the most reliable at all distances. If you have meter you can do S.HP - Super at the end instead of S.HK QCB+K.g


If you are just getting DP'd all the time, bait them more often. Yeah you can't bait them all but if you bait even one with U1 active (or bait THEN activate) that's 400 damage right there so...

(overhead) c.forward > close s.strong > close s.RH xx RH pinwheel is optimal if you are close enough and don't have a fireball stored. If you have a fireball and 50% meter you can do 411 damage pretty much anywhere on the screen.

anotak, U1 unblockable setup seems legit so far. Not entirely sure if there's enough time to block EX DP, seems like it but maybe the people I'm trying it on are just messing up? I'll test it later tonight. There's a spacing where I think you can do forward throw into corner, LK fireball FADC U1 and be safe from wakeup EX DP and still have enough room to confirm sweep or s.forward or whatever but I dunno how often you're going to get that spacing.
Or maybe forward throw in corner, fireball FABDC U1?

If you REALLY need that last bit of damage to kill someone, forward throw, dash dash EX low fireball FADC U1 :V
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
May 04 2010 06:30 GMT
#163
here's a very good tutorial on Cody

credit: option-select, iplaywinner
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
May 04 2010 14:42 GMT
#164
Ok, so I'm trying to stop taking the easy way out with rog and learn the gentleman's boxer right now...
What in the hell is dudley supposed to do vs guile? I've tried using u1 to punish booms, but he recovers so quick they have to be either psychic or such a fast reaction that I end up throwing ultras at random pokes when I see his arms move. lk ducking works from a range but once I get up close he recovers quick enough to fp me for ducking a boom unless I ducked before the boom even gets released.

Gah, this matchup is driving me nuts since they're a million guile players nowadays. I don't want to just go back to rog but if I can't figure something out I'm gonna go insane lol. My whole gameplan right now is to slowly walk him to a corner, taking a ton of chip along the way because I can't really scare him with much. Might try and jump a sonic boom if I see him walking back but other than that just walking up and blocking. Then once I get him cornered it's just trying for a knockdown and baiting flash kicks as my main form of damage -_-

There's got to be a better way.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-04 21:19:04
May 04 2010 15:34 GMT
#165
what I saw Ricky O did with his Dudley was to stay at slightly closer than medium range and focus armor dash when projectile characters throw their fireball. It's not a new trick by any means, but Dudley's dash covers so much ground that its very effective. Decent risk doing this, but it gives you a pretty good option of getting in.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 04 2010 22:26 GMT
#166
On May 04 2010 08:07 Pufftrees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2010 15:56 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
also bill are you on xbox live because i'm AHeroicRetreat and i'm going to fucking destroy you


Mind if I add you for some skirmish? I am not that advanced but on SF4 I got up to about a 3k rating (70%) in first few weeks and then stopped for BW again. Always like playing higher caliber players.


feel free to add me. i don't know what your definition of 'higher caliber player' is but i don't think i'm it
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
May 04 2010 23:09 GMT
#167
FakeSteve, I'm terrible and I'm going to add you and we're gonna have great fun playing together ok!
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
May 04 2010 23:10 GMT
#168
Never actually really bought the SFs apart from SF4 a loooong time after it came out but this looks really good. Got some real nice new characters, Ibuki and Makato are pretty mad.

throw into ultra is even madder
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 03:23:08
May 05 2010 03:21 GMT
#169
If anyone wants to play on PSN, they can add me (PSN ID: JinMaikeul). I haven't picked a main yet as I'm still trying to get a feel for the game and learn the different characters.

I'm pretty newb since it's been ages since I've played a fighting game and I also don't have a joystick ATM. I'm waiting to sell of my X-Arcade Tankstick so I can buy a proper PS3 joystick. Once I get it sold off, I'll be getting right into training to catch up with the masses. ^^

BTW, does has anyone here tried the MadCatz Fightstick TE? That's the one I was thinking of getting simply because I am more familiar with Japanese parts since that's what was in the arcades I went to growing up. Is this stick good? I have to say I'm a bit wary because of the brand name... MadCatz was never really known for making quality anything...
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
May 05 2010 03:27 GMT
#170
The TE gets nothing but positive reviews, it's pretty top notch.

I personally have the SE with sanwa buttons installed, and I just ordered a sanwa stick that I'll be installing once it gets here.
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
May 05 2010 03:33 GMT
#171
yeah the TE is good if you like the japanese style

it is possible to mod too if you have the expertise my friend put happ buttons in his and kept the joystick
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12238 Posts
May 05 2010 03:36 GMT
#172
On May 05 2010 12:21 JinMaikeul wrote:
If anyone wants to play on PSN, they can add me (PSN ID: JinMaikeul). I haven't picked a main yet as I'm still trying to get a feel for the game and learn the different characters.

I'm pretty newb since it's been ages since I've played a fighting game and I also don't have a joystick ATM. I'm waiting to sell of my X-Arcade Tankstick so I can buy a proper PS3 joystick. Once I get it sold off, I'll be getting right into training to catch up with the masses. ^^

BTW, does has anyone here tried the MadCatz Fightstick TE? That's the one I was thinking of getting simply because I am more familiar with Japanese parts since that's what was in the arcades I went to growing up. Is this stick good? I have to say I'm a bit wary because of the brand name... MadCatz was never really known for making quality anything...


The TE is incredible and a top-notch stick that everyone approves of, and is the mainstay for any competitive player. Even a slight about of research would confirm this.
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 05 2010 05:14 GMT
#173
Steve: no, I don't own any consoles, and the guy I'm living with has a banned xbox only.

Online sucks, anyway.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 05 2010 05:17 GMT
#174
On May 05 2010 12:21 JinMaikeul wrote:
MadCatz was never really known for making quality anything...

The TE stick is the one and only exception to that rule, mainly because the actual joystick and buttons aren't made by them.

The SE stick is shit like everything else, but at least it's easy to replace the parts with arcade-quality ones (although it'll cost you about the same in the end, minus the other TE benefits such as its size and weight).
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
May 05 2010 14:00 GMT
#175
Well I'm sold. Just ordered a TE since I saw a 30% off promotion on them over at SRK. Can't wait till it comes in.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
May 05 2010 14:21 GMT
#176
Only thing I don't like about the TE is the sanwa buttons, but I've accepted I'm in the vast minority on that one. I get so many random moves when I play on a TE because if you breathe too heavy on those things the buttons take it as an input x.x

Quality is top notch on those things though. There's almost no reason to mod a TE once you've got one, and that makes the whole getting a stick process a lot simpler for people. Much as I love the hrap, the stock buttons are notably inferior to the TE's. =/
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
May 05 2010 14:24 GMT
#177
too used to the bulkiness of the te
cant use anything smaller than that (and considering the te's size yea....)
Forever Young
zXk3
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Mexico1178 Posts
May 07 2010 21:36 GMT
#178
HRAPEX:SA all the way... im addicted to them
GraphicsNo soy dominante, solo tengo mejores ideas...| Sorry Oshi, 4-1 shows that im better than you =D i wont do any more mistakes now
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
May 08 2010 00:15 GMT
#179
On May 05 2010 23:21 Trumpet wrote:
Only thing I don't like about the TE is the sanwa buttons, but I've accepted I'm in the vast minority on that one. I get so many random moves when I play on a TE because if you breathe too heavy on those things the buttons take it as an input x.x

Quality is top notch on those things though. There's almost no reason to mod a TE once you've got one, and that makes the whole getting a stick process a lot simpler for people. Much as I love the hrap, the stock buttons are notably inferior to the TE's. =/


Big fan of Seimitsu then?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 08 2010 00:38 GMT
#180
Anybody else use parts from different manufacturers? Mix and match? I've got an LS-32 with OBSF-30s in the Madcatz SE case.

After playing for a week I ran into Juri for the first time ever and got raped by Smileymike. I should have at least figured that getting cornered against Juri (and with Rose too, although outside from wakeup Rose is pretty good in this game it seems) sucks and should be avoided. At least it was worth some laughs.
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