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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
June 19 2010 02:41 GMT
#3721
Come on guys, let's not overlook the obvious here. Warriors will destroy Lakers and win the western conference final.

=)
Miss_Cleo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States406 Posts
June 19 2010 02:44 GMT
#3722
On June 19 2010 01:25 Butigroove wrote:
Did Kobe really say that what this championship meant to him was having 1 more than Shaq?

... What a classless asshole.



Remember what happened when Kobe didn't win the 2008 finals? Remember that "rap" shaq did after the feud was over? Shaq is a piece of shit, and Kobe deserves to say it. It was a bit crass, but whatever,
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-19 02:55:57
June 19 2010 02:51 GMT
#3723
On June 19 2010 11:30 Servolisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 02:25 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
I'm just hoping Kobe finally gets the surgery he needs to fix that finger. His handle was affected all season long, and he's only getting older.

I think there's a definite chance at a three-peat since it's unlikely BOS will be the same team next year with Doc and/or Ray possibly not returning,


I doubt it. This year it could have gone either way, and if some other east team like cleveland and possibly orlando made it they could have won too.

Then there are the free agents who are going to create 2 new contenders. Maybe LAL won't be the best LA team if Lebron goes to the clippers and Blake Griffin is healthy and they sign someone else ^_^

I am sure Wade is going to get Bosh or Stoudemire and other free agents. It would be sweet if they had Wade+Stoudemire+Ray Allen... perfect combo :O

BTW for the Lebron/Kobe/Wade comparisons, you could compare how they all did vs. Boston and come up with this ranking:
1. Wade 2. Kobe 3. Lebron

Miami is definitely going to build a contender around Wade this year, and there will be a lot of new up and coming teams with cap space like chicago and OKC which lower the odds for the older teams to continue success.

Picking Wade as finals MVP now

Maybe absurdly premature, but no more than predicting a 3 peat :p

Uhmm, this is the most absurd post I have seen in this thread lol

First, Orlando and Cleveland were not good enough to beat LA or Boston in a seven game series this year. Period.

Second, picking Wade as the Finals MVP when we don't even know anything about how free agency will turn out is much more absurd than the Lakers winning again. How are they remotely similar or comparable? Lakers are keeping their core players and will be the primary contenders again. I don't understand how predicting a three-peat for them is absurd at all, considering they just won two years in a row against Orlando and a very, very good team in Boston. Their players are coming back, too. The chances of Wade staying in Miami, getting a top player to come with him, signing championship caliber role players, forming good team chemistry, and winning the championship...compared to the chances of a team winning a third title after earning two in a row while keeping the same players...No.

How does your ranking of Wade/Kobe/Lebron work? Kobe just beat Boston in the NBA Finals and he's behind Wade in that stupid ranking...what. I can't tell if you are kidding or not
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
June 19 2010 02:54 GMT
#3724
LAKERS BITCH! HELLZ YEAH!
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
June 19 2010 02:58 GMT
#3725
On June 19 2010 06:19 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 05:01 Kiarip wrote:
On June 18 2010 14:27 city42 wrote:
On June 18 2010 14:00 Kiarip wrote:
On June 18 2010 13:23 travis wrote:
On June 18 2010 13:18 Kiarip wrote:
On June 18 2010 13:01 travis wrote:
On June 18 2010 12:59 Sadist wrote:
On June 18 2010 12:57 tonight wrote:
On June 18 2010 12:55 Sadist wrote:
god i hate la

As a Michigan resident how can you hate LA more than BOS? Great 4th quarter!



because I hate derek fisher and pau. Laker fans are fucking horrible and I hate all the kobe bryant fans who just bandwagon and want to say hes > MJ when its not even close ;p


it's really not u are correct
defense vs MJ was insane
triple teams CONSTANTLY. and so physical



It's not as not close as people that make your argument want to believe.


hmmmm
do you mean "it is closer than the people that make your argument want to believe" ?
because I was agreeing with the post I quoted, not arguing against it.



Yeah, that's what I meant. Kobe, and MJ are a lot closer in terms of level of play than people who make the "tough physical hand-checking defense" argument believe.


Kobe is done. He's been done for some time now, it's true that Jordan was playing way better at this age than Kobe, but it's not the age, but the mileage that counts a lot more.

Jordan's career will obviously be remembered to be a lot greater, but let's not forget the circumstances during which it happened... In the beginning of his career he was getting trashed by the Pistons, no one really holds it against him, because the Pistons were great, and he was young. As the Pistons declined he was able to make the finals, and apart from his win against the Lakers against which his team had good match ups he beat up on the back-then weakish Western Conference in the finals, (not unlike how Kobe and Shaq beat up on the back-then weakish Eastern Conference in the finals,) the problem is when Kobe was approaching his prime (during the last two championships of his three-peat,) he was not running the team, and there was tension between him and Shaq, and Shaq was a very dominant force, and so the championships are mostly attributed to him. When Shaq was gone Kobe was finally allowed to take the reigns, and it took him a while to settle in. Then as he entered his overall-performance prime his team was terrible, and even though he was putting up record-breaking numbers, they were largely dismissed because at that time the Lakers weren't a contender.

When he finally got Pau Gasol, the Celtics made a series of historic moves, and picked up as it turns out a lucky pick (in Rondo,) and they were able to suffocate the Lakers out of the finals, partially because of Bynum's injury. Now, that he's starting to win Championships again, he's already been running on all cylinders for 13 years, and people are again rightfully starting to doubt his impact (and righfully so,) especially when he plays against good physical defenses. He will still put up great numbers against weaker defensive teams like the Suns because of his skill, but he is no longer consistent against good defense, because he's way out of his prime.

Overall my point is, his peak wasn't that much worse than Jordan's he just had it during a time when the Lakers couldn't make things happen, also Jordan came into the NBA as great powers were leaving, and he never really faced the other hyper-dominant player of his time - Hakeem Olajuawon in the finals. At the end of his career (not talking about the wizards,) his finals performances were against the Jazz against which had a defender on him that he had a significant size advantage on and yes Jordan made him look silly at the buzzer, and everyone will always remember this, and rightfully so because he was a great player, but he was also fortunate that he was facing his tougher opposition (while being both the first option, and having a good team,) while in his prime, and when he was slowly leaving his prime (second threepeat,) he was playing against considerably weaker teams defensively, this isn't quite the situation that Kobe is/was in, which is why I think that people should really compare the players' peaks, and career accomplishments separately.


edit: Just to continue a bit, and when you compare Kobe and Jordan in this manner, it becomes evident that although Jordan was better, Kobe is by far the second greatest shooting guard of all time (and probably first or tied with Jordan for the most skilled shooting guard,) and he's closer to Jordan overall than whoever you rate third is to him (once again, talking about shooting guards.)

Trashed by the Pistons? Have you ever seen the 4 CHI-DET series? 1989 and 1990 were some of the closest and fiercely competitive series ever.

Magic Johnson wasn't a hyper-dominant player in 1991 (first team all-NBA, best playoff effort since 1987)?

'96 Sonics were a "weaker" defensive team?! They were by FAR the best defensive team he faced in the finals.

My head nearly exploded reading all the garbage in here. The Kobe-Jordan comparisons are nonsense to begin with, so you need to bring some actual facts into the mix to form an argument on the issue.




Didn't say it wasn't close, but the Pistons beat them consistently in the playoffs.

Magic Johnson was definitely on his way out, and the Bulls had great match ups on the Lakers.

Learn to read before you reply. I said that the Sonics were a very good defensive team (and MJ didn't shoot amazingly well against them at all, although he played fine overall. The Jazz teams that he won his other 2 championships of the second three-peat were weak defensive teams. Stop putting words in my mouth, thanks.

You said he was "trashed" by the Pistons. I think you should hop over to dictionary.com before using a word you don't understand, if you truly understand that the series were close.

Magic was on his way out? Are you just going to say that without any evidence to back it up? His numbers hadn't taken a drop at all. Second in the MVP voting, first team all-NBA, led the Lakers past the Blazers who had the best record in the NBA. The Lakers were ravaged by injury in the '91 finals, otherwise it would have been a 6-7 game series without question. Magic was absolutely not slipping at all. Also, if we're being super-technical here, Hakeem wasn't even relevant during Jordan's prime ('88-'92), so it's hard to qualify him as hyper-dominant. He was stuck on horrible teams and had huge attitude issues, very nearly getting traded.

I just re-read the entire post I replied to, and there isn't even a mention of the Sonics directly...there was only the "considerably weaker defensive teams" line. Also, the Jazz were a good defensive team. Those years were skewed because Pat Riley ruined the league and every team decided to play brutal, physical games which resulted in very low scoring. Utah wasn't in Seattle's class on the defensive end, but they weren't exactly the '90 Nuggets.


The pistons knocked Jordan out of the play-offs in several consecutive years... I would say trashed is appropriate. Yes, some of the series were close, but the overall score isn't.

To me it seemed like Magic played worse than before. Regardless, the Bulls had Jordan in his prime, and good match ups.

That's why my point about Hakeem stands, Jordan didn't play against great defensive teams (or teams with a hyper-dominant player) in the finals of his second three-peat, and like I said before EXCEPT the sonics, who were great defensively (they had Gary Payton srsly) and Jordan wasn't that great in that game statistically.


I think I talked about the Sonics in my second post, I'm pretty sure. The Jazz weren't a good defensive team at all, at least not against the Bulls.

Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-19 03:28:34
June 19 2010 03:17 GMT
#3726
On June 19 2010 11:51 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 11:30 Servolisk wrote:
On June 19 2010 02:25 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
I'm just hoping Kobe finally gets the surgery he needs to fix that finger. His handle was affected all season long, and he's only getting older.

I think there's a definite chance at a three-peat since it's unlikely BOS will be the same team next year with Doc and/or Ray possibly not returning,


I doubt it. This year it could have gone either way, and if some other east team like cleveland and possibly orlando made it they could have won too.

Then there are the free agents who are going to create 2 new contenders. Maybe LAL won't be the best LA team if Lebron goes to the clippers and Blake Griffin is healthy and they sign someone else ^_^

I am sure Wade is going to get Bosh or Stoudemire and other free agents. It would be sweet if they had Wade+Stoudemire+Ray Allen... perfect combo :O

BTW for the Lebron/Kobe/Wade comparisons, you could compare how they all did vs. Boston and come up with this ranking:
1. Wade 2. Kobe 3. Lebron

Miami is definitely going to build a contender around Wade this year, and there will be a lot of new up and coming teams with cap space like chicago and OKC which lower the odds for the older teams to continue success.

Picking Wade as finals MVP now

Maybe absurdly premature, but no more than predicting a 3 peat :p

Uhmm, this is the most absurd post I have seen in this thread lol

First, Orlando and Cleveland were not good enough to beat LA or Boston in a seven game series this year. Period.

Second, picking Wade as the Finals MVP when we don't even know anything about how free agency will turn out is much more absurd than the Lakers winning again. How are they remotely similar or comparable? Lakers are keeping their core players and will be the primary contenders again. I don't understand how predicting a three-peat for them is absurd at all, considering they just won two years in a row against Orlando and a very, very good team in Boston. Their players are coming back, too. The chances of Wade staying in Miami, getting a top player to come with him, signing championship caliber role players, forming good team chemistry, and winning the championship...compared to the chances of a team winning a third title after earning two in a row while keeping the same players...No.

How does your ranking of Wade/Kobe/Lebron work? Kobe just beat Boston in the NBA Finals and he's behind Wade in that stupid ranking...what. I can't tell if you are kidding or not


Uhh, of course it was meant to be an unsubstantiated prediction, the point being it also is for the Lakers. They didn't cruise to a championship and the largest possibility is things get tougher.

But I do expect the free agency to result in 1-2 very, very good contenders. All of these players can choose where they go and want to be on contenders, so it is likely.

As for the ranking, are you kidding?

Look at Wade's performance vs Boston vs Kobe's there is no comparison individually. Why would you count team results in comparison of individual players when the teams are drastically different?

MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

Kobe:
41.1 0.405 0.319 0.883 1.7 6.3 8.0 3.9 2.1 0.7 3.9 3.9 28.6

Wade:
42.0 0.564 0.405 0.675 1.2 4.4 5.6 6.8 1.6 1.6 5.2 3.2 33.2

edit:

And why did you say Cleveland is not good enough to beat LA this year so dismissively, lol... It's like you are purely going on Boston beat Cleveland and LA beat Boston therefore LA would have beaten Cleveland.
wtf was that signature
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
June 19 2010 03:24 GMT
#3727
On June 19 2010 11:44 Miss_Cleo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 01:25 Butigroove wrote:
Did Kobe really say that what this championship meant to him was having 1 more than Shaq?

... What a classless asshole.



Remember what happened when Kobe didn't win the 2008 finals? Remember that "rap" shaq did after the feud was over? Shaq is a piece of shit, and Kobe deserves to say it. It was a bit crass, but whatever,


LOL, first, in actual context it came off as a joke.

Second, what kind of Lakers fan really calls Shaq a piece of shit, honestly. O_O

Since I knew this would be on the net from some discussion elsewhere I looked up the Shaq and Kobe numbers on google when they played together.

2000 NBA Finals
Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90

2001 NBA Finals
Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG

2002 NBA Finals
Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG

combined:
Shaq-36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG
Kobe-20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG

2004 NBA finals 5 games loss
Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe=22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG



...
lol
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 19 2010 03:30 GMT
#3728
On June 19 2010 12:17 Servolisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 11:51 OneOther wrote:
On June 19 2010 11:30 Servolisk wrote:
On June 19 2010 02:25 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
I'm just hoping Kobe finally gets the surgery he needs to fix that finger. His handle was affected all season long, and he's only getting older.

I think there's a definite chance at a three-peat since it's unlikely BOS will be the same team next year with Doc and/or Ray possibly not returning,


I doubt it. This year it could have gone either way, and if some other east team like cleveland and possibly orlando made it they could have won too.

Then there are the free agents who are going to create 2 new contenders. Maybe LAL won't be the best LA team if Lebron goes to the clippers and Blake Griffin is healthy and they sign someone else ^_^

I am sure Wade is going to get Bosh or Stoudemire and other free agents. It would be sweet if they had Wade+Stoudemire+Ray Allen... perfect combo :O

BTW for the Lebron/Kobe/Wade comparisons, you could compare how they all did vs. Boston and come up with this ranking:
1. Wade 2. Kobe 3. Lebron

Miami is definitely going to build a contender around Wade this year, and there will be a lot of new up and coming teams with cap space like chicago and OKC which lower the odds for the older teams to continue success.

Picking Wade as finals MVP now

Maybe absurdly premature, but no more than predicting a 3 peat :p

Uhmm, this is the most absurd post I have seen in this thread lol

First, Orlando and Cleveland were not good enough to beat LA or Boston in a seven game series this year. Period.

Second, picking Wade as the Finals MVP when we don't even know anything about how free agency will turn out is much more absurd than the Lakers winning again. How are they remotely similar or comparable? Lakers are keeping their core players and will be the primary contenders again. I don't understand how predicting a three-peat for them is absurd at all, considering they just won two years in a row against Orlando and a very, very good team in Boston. Their players are coming back, too. The chances of Wade staying in Miami, getting a top player to come with him, signing championship caliber role players, forming good team chemistry, and winning the championship...compared to the chances of a team winning a third title after earning two in a row while keeping the same players...No.

How does your ranking of Wade/Kobe/Lebron work? Kobe just beat Boston in the NBA Finals and he's behind Wade in that stupid ranking...what. I can't tell if you are kidding or not


Uhh, of course it was meant to be an unsubstantiated prediction, the point being it also is for the Lakers. They didn't cruise to a championship and the largest possibility is things get tougher.

But I do expect the free agency to result in 1-2 very, very good contenders. All of these players can choose where they go and want to be on contenders, so it is likely.

As for the ranking, are you kidding?

Look at Wade's performance vs Boston vs Kobe's there is no comparison individually. Why would you count team results in comparison of individual players when the teams are drastically different?

MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

Kobe:
41.1 0.405 0.319 0.883 1.7 6.3 8.0 3.9 2.1 0.7 3.9 3.9 28.6

Wade:
42.0 0.564 0.405 0.675 1.2 4.4 5.6 6.8 1.6 1.6 5.2 3.2 33.2

Okay so I guess you agree Orlando and Cleveland weren't good enough.

Your prediction is unsubstantial, the Lakers being the definite favorite to repeat next year isn't. No shit they didn't cruise to a championship, they played an incredibly strong team in Boston. You are not supposed to cruise a championship, it's not a piece of cake to win the title lol. My main point is, at least make these predictions and start discussing it after free agency is settled. You don't even know which players are going where. You don't even know if Wade is staying in Miami, and there are other numerous factors as well. Lakers winning again after repeating this year isn't an unsubstantial prediction especially when they are keeping the same players.

No I am not kidding. Your ranking just made no sense to me and I still don't know what you are trying to say. Boston became a much tougher team versus Lakers than they were against Heat after going through Cleveland/Orlando, and they were at their defensive peak. Remind me though, why are we looking at their numbers against Boston again? What does that ranking even mean?
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-19 03:35:32
June 19 2010 03:33 GMT
#3729
And why did you say Cleveland is not good enough to beat LA this year so dismissively, lol... It's like you are purely going on Boston beat Cleveland and LA beat Boston therefore LA would have beaten Cleveland.

Because I actually watch basketball and know the game well enough to tell when a team is clearly better than the other? And yeah, results do speak for themselves. LA and Boston were evenly matched, and better than Cleveland in the playoffs.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
June 19 2010 03:34 GMT
#3730
I thought it was really simple... they played the same position, and exact same role for their team, vs the exact same competition. Should we instead compare how they did vs different teams...?

And geez the prediction Wade will be the next finals MVP does not need to seriously be debated.
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-19 03:37:28
June 19 2010 03:36 GMT
#3731
On June 19 2010 12:33 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
And why did you say Cleveland is not good enough to beat LA this year so dismissively, lol... It's like you are purely going on Boston beat Cleveland and LA beat Boston therefore LA would have beaten Cleveland.

Because I actually watch basketball and know the game well enough to tell when a team is clearly better than the other?


:|

OK.

Clearly.

edit: unadaptable homer, lol... gg
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 19 2010 03:37 GMT
#3732
Boston was coming off a 50-50 win/ratio for their last 30 games or so in the regular season when they played Heat. Most people didn't even predict them to get past the first couple playoff rounds. When the Celtics played the Lakers, it was after they smacked Miami, took down the #1 overall seed Lebron/Cleveland, and #2 overall seed Orlando/Howard.
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
June 19 2010 03:40 GMT
#3733
On June 19 2010 04:38 Smigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 01:25 Butigroove wrote:
Did Kobe really say that what this championship meant to him was having 1 more than Shaq?

... What a classless asshole.


When Shaq won a championship with Miami, he was asked how he was feeling, and he said "one more then kobe bryant".

Thats why Kobe said it.
and thats why he said "I Don't Forget" after he said it.

So both of them are class-less assholes? Hurray lol.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-19 03:42:45
June 19 2010 03:41 GMT
#3734
On June 19 2010 12:36 Servolisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 12:33 OneOther wrote:
And why did you say Cleveland is not good enough to beat LA this year so dismissively, lol... It's like you are purely going on Boston beat Cleveland and LA beat Boston therefore LA would have beaten Cleveland.

Because I actually watch basketball and know the game well enough to tell when a team is clearly better than the other?


:|
OK.
Clearly.
edit: unadaptable homer, lol... gg

I mean, at least explain why you think Cleveland would beat LA in a best-of-seven. You can't just make a claim and not give explanations! Because for everyone who watched them get smacked by Boston, it's difficult to picture Cleveland beat LA in a series given how the Cavaliers lost their flair in the playoffs.

Gotta get going though. Great season! See ya'll next year
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-19 04:35:27
June 19 2010 04:34 GMT
#3735
Shaq since he's left the Lakers has shown to be more and more unlikable by the year. Not just towards Kobe mind you, his feud with Dwight is so childish. Russell and Kareem never called Shaq, Robinson, Hakeem any of the things that Shaq did to Dwight. Then to purposely incite someone like Kobe after his championship with Miami on top of his sideshow in Cleveland this year (his Ring for the King campaign and then riding Lebron's nuts) is just over the top. Kobe for all of his faults has one thing going for him regardless, his desire to win. Shaq seems more interested in reminding the NBA watching population that he's still around than to actually win.

Cleveland certainly has/had the talent to beat LAL, whether they have effort and focus to is a different story. The way they bowed out to Boston really makes me wonder about all the team-oriented factors.

Edit:

Someone get the Offseason thread started, the next season can't start soon enough
Get it by your hands...
Miss_Cleo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States406 Posts
June 19 2010 04:35 GMT
#3736
On June 19 2010 12:24 Servolisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 11:44 Miss_Cleo wrote:
On June 19 2010 01:25 Butigroove wrote:
Did Kobe really say that what this championship meant to him was having 1 more than Shaq?

... What a classless asshole.



Remember what happened when Kobe didn't win the 2008 finals? Remember that "rap" shaq did after the feud was over? Shaq is a piece of shit, and Kobe deserves to say it. It was a bit crass, but whatever,


LOL, first, in actual context it came off as a joke.

Second, what kind of Lakers fan really calls Shaq a piece of shit, honestly. O_O

Since I knew this would be on the net from some discussion elsewhere I looked up the Shaq and Kobe numbers on google when they played together.

2000 NBA Finals
Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90

2001 NBA Finals
Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG

2002 NBA Finals
Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG

combined:
Shaq-36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG
Kobe-20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG

2004 NBA finals 5 games loss
Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe=22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG



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lol



We all know Shaq is a great basketball player. He's a shit person though. Remember that TV show Shaq VS.? I read somewhere that it was actually Steve Nash's idea, and Shaq ripped it off therefore he had to give Nash credit as a producer. He also slept with Gilbert Arenas's wife IIRC. I just think that he's a media whore and a terrible person.
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
June 19 2010 04:44 GMT
#3737
On June 19 2010 12:41 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 12:36 Servolisk wrote:
On June 19 2010 12:33 OneOther wrote:
And why did you say Cleveland is not good enough to beat LA this year so dismissively, lol... It's like you are purely going on Boston beat Cleveland and LA beat Boston therefore LA would have beaten Cleveland.

Because I actually watch basketball and know the game well enough to tell when a team is clearly better than the other?


:|
OK.
Clearly.
edit: unadaptable homer, lol... gg

I mean, at least explain why you think Cleveland would beat LA in a best-of-seven. You can't just make a claim and not give explanations! Because for everyone who watched them get smacked by Boston, it's difficult to picture Cleveland beat LA in a series given how the Cavaliers lost their flair in the playoffs.

Gotta get going though. Great season! See ya'll next year

I'll play the devil's advocate here: Artest couldn't have guarded LeBron the way he did Pierce, while Cleveland have plenty of bodies to throw at Gasol and Bryant. Cleveland are younger than Boston, have a deeper rotation, a first class superstar, and in a prolonged series they'd have more than just willpower. Also, the refs give LeBron the same respect they give Kobe, and there'd be a lot more foul trouble in Laker-Land than in Cleveland, as opposed to the Boston series. They'd have home-court advantage, a much more flexible and adaptable rotation, and a better player to hand the ball to than Pierce or Rondo when things get hairy. Also, with LeBron there is no question of length of the players as they'd have as big or bigger players in both forward positions, and an injured center wouldn't have that big of an impact.

Of course, I don't believe that - I think Boston matched up with the Lakers far better than Cleveland could, had far more determination, better coaching, higher intensity, and could hit every one of LA's weaknesses (and no, the Cavs couldn't) - only bad luck (Perkins injured, Gasol managing to escape the eyes of the refs with some rather blatant fouls) kept them from doing the unimaginable (the Lakers after all ARE the stronger team). Cleveland in it's current incarnation is far too one-dimensional and doesn't have the spirit needed to win championships. They are just far less convincing on-court than their numbers suggest, and get away with too much due to physical advantages making up for a lack of refinement and ball-movement skills; a true reflection of LeBron.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 19 2010 07:17 GMT
#3738
Um, to anyone who thinks Kobe's interview was arrogant... must not have seen this:

a


b


c


There's a reason Jordan and Kobe are so great. They're fucking arrogant motherfuckers, and they know it.. they have to back it up :p
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
June 19 2010 07:24 GMT
#3739
You can't really say whether Lakers would beat Cleveland or vice versa. In 2008, people were talking about how good Cleveland was because they took Boston to the final minutes of game 7, whereas the Celtics annihilated the Lakers in game 6.

The 2010 Celtics team is still baffling to explain, but it mostly seems like a dominant defensive team (I think Wade was the only player who played well against them) with randomly good offensive performances from individual players. Ray Allen, Pierce, Garnett, and Rondo have put up performances ranging from abysmal to stellar throughout the playoffs, and one could argue that if Rondo or Allen or Pierce had done so early in the 4th quarter in game 7, the Celtics would have won.

Cleveland is capable of beating the Lakers in a 7 game series, but they are also capable of being completely outcoached, overplaying bad players/matchups, and throwing out a season's worth of offensive sets. Cleveland has good ball movement and a reasonably balanced offense, just not when it counts.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 19 2010 07:47 GMT
#3740
On June 19 2010 16:24 igotmyown wrote:
You can't really say whether Lakers would beat Cleveland or vice versa. In 2008, people were talking about how good Cleveland was because they took Boston to the final minutes of game 7, whereas the Celtics annihilated the Lakers in game 6.

The 2010 Celtics team is still baffling to explain, but it mostly seems like a dominant defensive team (I think Wade was the only player who played well against them) with randomly good offensive performances from individual players. Ray Allen, Pierce, Garnett, and Rondo have put up performances ranging from abysmal to stellar throughout the playoffs, and one could argue that if Rondo or Allen or Pierce had done so early in the 4th quarter in game 7, the Celtics would have won.

Cleveland is capable of beating the Lakers in a 7 game series, but they are also capable of being completely outcoached, overplaying bad players/matchups, and throwing out a season's worth of offensive sets. Cleveland has good ball movement and a reasonably balanced offense, just not when it counts.

I understand that transitive property doesn't work in basketball, but we can make an educated and reasonable assumption that Lakers would beat Cleveland in a best-of-seven. This assumption is based on the postseason performance we have seen from the Cavaliers, the caliber of the Boston team that they lost to, and the ultimate championship play from the Lakers. Of course you can't be hundred percent positive that Lakers would, but they would be the heavy favorites no matter how you look at it. One could say with a lot of confidence that the Lakers would win.
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