EPTnot sure anyone can argue that.
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
not sure anyone can argue that. | ||
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kahoo
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Few things, Artest by far was the mvp of game 7. He had the best post-game interview ever, and he started that awesome brawl in Detroit a while back. Anyone complaining about free throw difference is retarded. Lakers were more aggressive every game and shot more free throws all 7 games (maybe there was 1 where celtics shot more). Anyone who watched the game can't argue about 99% of the fouls called on celtics. People that argue that Pau was better than kobe and that he should be the MVP, Gasol shines is when kobe get's hot and the celtics focus more on kobe, thefore, giving Pau better position to get the ball in the post. After the first two games, Pau get's owned by KG or Rasheed wallace half the time when they guard him, and KG abused and scored at will on him in the post the second half of the series. However, Pau is a beast on the boards. Derek fisher hits atleast 1 clutch shot during a deciding game as always. On a final note, I hope the fans of LA find the Celtics bus, flip it over and set it on fire. Just for fun, just like the Lakers had shit thrown at their bus in 08. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On June 18 2010 16:03 Miss_Cleo wrote: The parade starts on Monday, at 11:00 AM PST. Hope to see you there ya you're going to be able to find someone amid a throng of 100,000 mexicans. gl with that O_O | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
People make it seem like Michael Jordan never had bad games. Like he never tried to go hero mode and over-shoot himself because he wanted to win so badly. He did, just like Kobe did tonight. Having a sub-par game doesn't detract from how amazingly well Kobe played throughout the playoffs, and people are forgetting the fact that he's been playing with a broken finger, a bad knee, etc for most of the entire season and still managed to come through every time when it counted. He played pretty badly throughout the game, but in the last 5 minutes, he came through for them. He grabbed some key rebounds, hit 8-9 freethrows (or was it 7-8?), and made one last shot. He stopped trying to take jumpers and attacked the basket in order to draw fouls (he got Rasheed Wallace fouled out and had KG pick up his 5th foul, which would have been pretty huge if the game had gone into OT). He was the assist on Artest's game-saving 3. So yes, 6-24 is an awful shooting night, yes he had some ill-advised turnovers, and yes.. other people actually played better than Kobe in Game 7 of the finals. But from start to finish in the postseason, nobody came up bigger than Kobe did. Nobody played with more heart and determination. You can't take that away from him. I'm not saying he's anything more than he is, but he's up there with the best guards ever, and is easily top 3 at this point. He should be given that respect IMO. Anyone who says "oh his legacy took a hit" is pretty dumb (even Simmons said that)... it's so based on statistics. So if he had made 12-24 shots, we wouldn't be having this conversation? 6 extra shots going in the basket would have changed the entire conversation to "wow Kobe is so amazing," sometimes the shots just don't go in.. simple as that. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On June 18 2010 15:39 hasuprotoss wrote: Russell won ELEVEN championships. Kareem was a 19-time NBA all-star, leads the leauge in points all-time, he also had 6 MVPs. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double over a SEASON. Kobe's first 3 championships came on the back of Shaq (sure he was a great player, but Shaq was easily the best player on those teams). lol these numerical comparisons are ridiculous. different game, different era, and numbers change. big men grabbed 30-40 rebounds back in the days. do you think it's possible for any type of player to average a triple double over a season now? or even remotely close? russell is undoubtedly one of the greatest players, but any knowledgeable nba fan knows winning a championship now is completely different than russell's era. oh wait...did kareem play on the same team as a guy named magic johnson? heard that guy was pretty good at the end of the day, you can believe what you want. but you have to keep in mind those statistics are skewed. im happy knowing that my favorite player is acknowledge by most people as one of the three greatest players of all time | ||
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kahoo
2 Posts
Good thing he's a free agent, hope he lost millions of dollars on his future contract, if anyone even signs that piece of shit. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On June 18 2010 16:07 Xeris wrote: ya you're going to be able to find someone amid a throng of 100,000 mexicans. gl with that O_O i didn't mean it literally smartass | ||
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Smigi
United States328 Posts
Kobe had a bad shooting night, it happens, especially when your shooting hands index finger is literally been beaten to its limit. but think about how he compensated. 16 Rebounds? 4 of Them Offensive. Thats sick imo. Also, he made some clutch freethrows down the stretch in the fourth quarter. But Yes, Artest/Pau/Derek Fisher took the Point scoring into their hands tonight, and did a great job. Will They Three-Peat?  | ||
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Smigi
United States328 Posts
On June 18 2010 16:28 kahoo wrote: I kinda feel bad for the celtics because Ray Allen was the biggest piece of crap. One great game, and the "best shooter in the NBA" misses countless open shots for the next 5 games. Good thing he's a free agent, hope he lost millions of dollars on his future contract, if anyone even signs that piece of shit. Ray Allen is a streaky type of shooter. It wasn't just a "great" in game 2. The celtics were playing absolute trash in Game 2, and without ray allen, it would have definately 100% been a 2-0 defecit going back to boston. So no hes not worthless. But as for the other games, I agree he didn't show up much, however a part of the reason for this was because of Derek Fishers defense. Besides Game 2, I have never seen Derek Fisher defend someone so well. And I'm being unbiased. | ||
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
And then he got traded to the Lakers, in a "strange" trade for Memphis, why did they have to get Marc Gasol in, he would be great in center-less Lakers. At the time, being a Grizz fan I thought... crap. But my Pau-fanboyism took me to start watching Laker-Pau and man these three years have been amazing. 2 finals out of 3 and Pau is getting the international credit I think he deserves. He'll never be a big team leader but he is so good. It's sad he won't play in the World Cup for Spain this year but, rest it for next years ring PAU! Best Spanish player ever, and will be for a very very long time. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
On June 18 2010 19:24 Smigi wrote: Ray Allen is a streaky type of shooter. It wasn't just a "great" in game 2. The celtics were playing absolute trash in Game 2, and without ray allen, it would have definately 100% been a 2-0 defecit going back to boston. So no hes not worthless. But as for the other games, I agree he didn't show up much, however a part of the reason for this was because of Derek Fishers defense. Besides Game 2, I have never seen Derek Fisher defend someone so well. And I'm being unbiased. Ray Allen had no legs from having to defend Kobe for the whole series, his jumper was just flat The defense helped, but he had a LOT of good looks that he completely blew | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On June 18 2010 16:26 OneOther wrote: im happy knowing that my favorite player is acknowledge by most people as one of the three greatest players of all time Did you take a national poll or something? I don't know anyone who would even put Kobe in the top 5, let alone the top 3. I find it extremely hard to believe that most people put him that high, unless by "people" you mean "blind Laker fans." | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On June 18 2010 15:39 hasuprotoss wrote: Russell won ELEVEN championships. Kareem was a 19-time NBA all-star, leads the leauge in points all-time, he also had 6 MVPs. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double over a SEASON. Kobe's first 3 championships came on the back of Shaq (sure he was a great player, but Shaq was easily the best player on those teams). I agree.... **must resist saying more though, these debates always get stupid**-_- :p | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On June 18 2010 21:48 city42 wrote: Did you take a national poll or something? I don't know anyone who would even put Kobe in the top 5, let alone the top 3. I find it extremely hard to believe that most people put him that high, unless by "people" you mean "blind Laker fans." He's in the top 10 IMO, but possibly he's referring to top 3 guards, in which case I think you could say Kobe is up there. But obviously he's not better than Russell, Kareem, etc. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On June 18 2010 19:40 -Kato- wrote: Wow I'm literally so happy today.You can't imagine the countless nights I woke up during the night (games played at 2 or 3 am here in Spain) to watch Pau play in Memphis, 6 years where I cheered like crazy when the Grizzlies won a game that would get them closer to playoffs. Playoff games were even more exciting, but the Grizz went 0-12, always getting owned by far superior teams but Pau always playing great. And then he got traded to the Lakers, in a "strange" trade for Memphis, why did they have to get Marc Gasol in, he would be great in center-less Lakers. At the time, being a Grizz fan I thought... crap. But my Pau-fanboyism took me to start watching Laker-Pau and man these three years have been amazing. 2 finals out of 3 and Pau is getting the international credit I think he deserves. He'll never be a big team leader but he is so good. It's sad he won't play in the World Cup for Spain this year but, rest it for next years ring PAU! Best Spanish player ever, and will be for a very very long time. Congratulations Spanish fans. 2 championships, almost leading Spain to an upset over the next Dream Team, great performances, and a realization of his immense talent makes him hall of fame worthy. Too bad he had some bad years after his 50 win Grizzly seasons. He's a top 3 center, possibly better than Chris Bosh due to defense and dominant at both ends of the court. Not sure why some people really dislike him when he bangs for 40 minutes. He had the 3rd most recorded offensive rebounds of all finals, including one to clinch the finals, and that's one of the few non diminishing returns stats. --- Still not sure what to think about this Celtics team. All in all, I would have rather had a Cleveland Lakers finals than this overblown rivalry nonsense. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 18 2010 16:28 kahoo wrote: I kinda feel bad for the celtics because Ray Allen was the biggest piece of crap. One great game, and the "best shooter in the NBA" misses countless open shots for the next 5 games. Good thing he's a free agent, hope he lost millions of dollars on his future contract, if anyone even signs that piece of shit. except ray allen's defense was phenomenal biiig part of the reason kobe didn't do incredibly well is ray allen | ||
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sushi.oi.zz
Hong Kong72 Posts
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