On June 16 2010 03:01 ccdnl wrote:Nice try editing, I think it'd be less presumptuous if you showed a video and tried to prove your point that way. Because for one thing this instance[the photo] could be after he passed the ball. One can see or not see the ball is already out of his hands. He could have caught the balls in bounds, passed in a split second and end up out-of-bounds the next split second. 2nd, this is a nice try at a editing attempt to divulge information or in trying to prove a point.
If you seriously believe he caught the balls out of bounds, please use a video or something more accurate so you can't try to tamper your way into an valid argument.
He included a link to where you can view the video clip where that screencap originated from. I've watched the video clip and paused it at around that point in time, and it certainly looks like Pierce was out of bounds before he let go of the ball. "Try" not being such an ass with your posts in this thread.
As for the actual play in question... Is it so obvious that the refs should be grilled for missing it? No. Is it something that's pretty hard to determine even with pausing and a good angle? Yup. Should the Lakers or anyone use that as an excuse for the Celtics winning that game? No. Everyone in the NBA knows that you must do everything you can to not put yourself in a situation where a bad call can lose you a game. The referees are only human and there's no meaningful appeal process that can make up for a loss (particularly in the playoffs). Thus, you do everything you can to build up a lead and provide a cushion for unexpected things like bounces of the ball, miscalls by the refs, problems with timekeepers, etc. The Lakers put themselves in a situation to be screwed by a bad call, which there have been many of throughout the playoffs already, so they have no one to blame but themselves.
I stopped reading after the accusation at the end of the bold statement, to of course, immediately type this: Are you serious? The only conclusion that seems to connect the dots as to why you would respond this way after reading my post is that you were biased before reading or before completely perusing my post.
My first sentence was "Nice try editing, I think it'd be less presumptuous if you showed a video and tried to prove your point that way." Editing was referring to his red circle and cropping one specific moment instead of discussing a time line, ie., 0:04-0:06. He edit a piece of information in attempt to expose his evidence for his argument. I pointed out what he did. And the second part of my sentence was a suggestion to what I thought would strengthen his argument. The rest of that paragraph I proceeded to discuss both possibilities of whether Paul did or did not step out of bounce. Lastly in that paragraph I said to him, divulging information this way is not very accurate and is very prevaricating.
Finally I concluded my post with the suggestion I said at the beginning, "If you truly believe this to be so...etc." What part of that is out-of-line into douchery-land?
Is it not a consensus that referring to a whole story is much less misleading and much more accurate than referring to an exact moment? In this case the video is the whole story while the cropped picture was an exact moment. And I told him that using an edited picture was very distorting to try to prove a point. I suggested referring to a video as a whole to be more conclusive.
He cited the site to use his quotation. Whether he used it to show a video is not even pertinent because my suggestion was to ask him to use a video, to refer to it, again, ie- 0:04-0:06. He did not do so and my post was to point out this.
At no point in my post did I demand anything out of him or belittle him. I kept my manners while trying to suggest to another poster my opinion. Now how in the hell you saw any hint of asshole-ness is beyond logic. I pointed out that citing an exact moment is misleading and proposed referring a video as a whole is much more accurate. I can resort to attacking your illiteracy right now for not having adequate reading comprehension and calling me out on your presumptuous bias or my accusation of your presumptuous bias. But everyone makes mistakes and I don't know your complete reasoning why you decided to call me an ass. So go ahead, if you find you still have a reasonable explanation, do proceed. If not, read thrice or more before taking a stand to deride another poster.
As to your last paragraph, it isn't relative to my post thus I have no comment.
On June 15 2010 14:32 Kazius wrote: I started this series pretty neutral: I thought the Celtics run through the playoffs showed a lot of heart and was very enjoyable (especially watching them cut down LeBron and Howard down to size). I also think Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game (even if he doesn't win the championship, still one of the ten best to ever play) and deserves a championship to cement his position, and that the Lakers have really hit their stride.
I think it's a bit unfair to single out Howard there. There's not much you can do when you have to go up against that Boston front line with Lewis as your 4.
L.A. should win game 6 since their role players respond very well to playing at home, but it's improbable that they will win 2 in a row without Bynum anywhere near healthy.
I agree about Bynum. Laker's crucial advantage that tips them over the Celtics is Bynum--his length, his size, his defense and believe it or not his offense; I think he is on par if not better offensively than Howard.
With that said, I pray to god Bynum suck ass in Game 6 and if need be Game 7; and a general hex towards the Lakers' overall performance inducing them to suffer severely so much in Game 6, or if need be Game 7 that they lose to the Celtics.
First, singling out Howard is easy for the self-proclaimed Superman thing - not so super when someone is capable of putting some hurt on you. If he had half the offensive skills of Ewing, he would be scary, but right now - he doesn't live up to the hype, not by a long shot. Same with LeBron - he's a great player, but his entire team is built to maximize his efficiency instead of winning games. Bynum is no Howard, but he does move Gasol to the 4, where he's matched up against KG instead of Perkins (KG isn't massive enough to push him around without fouling)... and just like in 2008, Odom just gets manhandled by KG (and now, Big Baby too). Bynum helps the match-up situation go from 4 position Celtics advantage down to two positions.
BUT, as someone who watched the (in)famous Sacramento series, what scares me is that Perkins will get a technical at the start of the match and one for Wallace will (inevitably) ensue, making game 7 much harder (both are one T away from an automatic suspension). Whistles tend to blow freely at the Staples Center, and unfortunately, the league has a history of ruining things.
I don't understand why Howard needs to have a big time offensive game in order for Orlando to win. The most successful center of all time was a worse FT shooter than Howard, and couldn't make any shot outside of the slam dunk. The center has always been, and will always be, a defensive position. There was nothing wrong with Howard's defense in the series, and it's impossible to rebound effectively against that Boston front line when Lewis and Barnes are your forwards.
Well to be fair, Orlando's whole scheme is to be based around Howard's offense. He's offensive capabilities are suppose to draw the defense in and kick out for 3 pointers. Now Orlando in that series completely didn't show up in regards to Pietrus, Lewis, Barnes so not all the fault was on Howard but yeah in regards to why you dont see Howard has to be offensively dominating--this is why I think he has to. He doesn't have to go for 100 or 40 or even 30, but he has to be effective early on so the defense starts to double him or crack a bit. Cause with Turk gone they don't have a playmaker as in someone who will make his own plays and make plays for everyone else.
They kinda pushed that role onto Howard. When I personally saw the trade last year that Turk was leaving I was like that team is dead. Nelson played the playmaking role in the two games they won and that was what lead the team to success. But he isn't a natural playmaker so he shyed away from it in game 6.
On June 16 2010 05:31 travis wrote: Complaining about any one specific call is bogus, as there have been tons of clear calls that were missed and many poor calls that were made. On both sides.
Not calling a foul on celtics when the ball was ripped out of kobe's arms near the end of game 5 was much worse than missing that out of bounds on pierce imo. It was like, the most obvious foul ever. And incredibly game changing. Let me see if I can find a video.
nope, I can't. lol
That wasn't anything close to a foul. Kobe tried to sell it as one once he lost the ball, though. At least complain about something the officials got wrong... (My personal favorite was when fisher snatched the ball clearly still going up on that jump ball, but there were plenty both ways)
Gosh I wish lakers fans (read: everyone, but it seems to be just lakers fans...) would stop complaining about calls when the Celtics took 13 free throws the WHOLE GAME. (Lakers took double that)
Edit: Watched the video of pierce falling out of bounds, and he is clearly in bounds when he passes the ball.... lol even your own photo shows his foot in bounds (heel isnt touching), and the ball is a good 3 feet away from his hands, if you take the screencap at the moment he loses possesion he is even further in bounds..
On June 15 2010 14:32 Kazius wrote: I started this series pretty neutral: I thought the Celtics run through the playoffs showed a lot of heart and was very enjoyable (especially watching them cut down LeBron and Howard down to size). I also think Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game (even if he doesn't win the championship, still one of the ten best to ever play) and deserves a championship to cement his position, and that the Lakers have really hit their stride.
I think it's a bit unfair to single out Howard there. There's not much you can do when you have to go up against that Boston front line with Lewis as your 4.
L.A. should win game 6 since their role players respond very well to playing at home, but it's improbable that they will win 2 in a row without Bynum anywhere near healthy.
I agree about Bynum. Laker's crucial advantage that tips them over the Celtics is Bynum--his length, his size, his defense and believe it or not his offense; I think he is on par if not better offensively than Howard.
With that said, I pray to god Bynum suck ass in Game 6 and if need be Game 7; and a general hex towards the Lakers' overall performance inducing them to suffer severely so much in Game 6, or if need be Game 7 that they lose to the Celtics.
First, singling out Howard is easy for the self-proclaimed Superman thing - not so super when someone is capable of putting some hurt on you. If he had half the offensive skills of Ewing, he would be scary, but right now - he doesn't live up to the hype, not by a long shot. Same with LeBron - he's a great player, but his entire team is built to maximize his efficiency instead of winning games. Bynum is no Howard, but he does move Gasol to the 4, where he's matched up against KG instead of Perkins (KG isn't massive enough to push him around without fouling)... and just like in 2008, Odom just gets manhandled by KG (and now, Big Baby too). Bynum helps the match-up situation go from 4 position Celtics advantage down to two positions.
BUT, as someone who watched the (in)famous Sacramento series, what scares me is that Perkins will get a technical at the start of the match and one for Wallace will (inevitably) ensue, making game 7 much harder (both are one T away from an automatic suspension). Whistles tend to blow freely at the Staples Center, and unfortunately, the league has a history of ruining things.
I don't understand why Howard needs to have a big time offensive game in order for Orlando to win. The most successful center of all time was a worse FT shooter than Howard, and couldn't make any shot outside of the slam dunk. The center has always been, and will always be, a defensive position. There was nothing wrong with Howard's defense in the series, and it's impossible to rebound effectively against that Boston front line when Lewis and Barnes are your forwards.
Well to be fair, Orlando's whole scheme is to be based around Howard's offense. He's offensive capabilities are suppose to draw the defense in and kick out for 3 pointers. Now Orlando in that series completely didn't show up in regards to Pietrus, Lewis, Barnes so not all the fault was on Howard but yeah in regards to why you dont see Howard has to be offensively dominating--this is why I think he has to. He doesn't have to go for 100 or 40 or even 30, but he has to be effective early on so the defense starts to double him or crack a bit. Cause with Turk gone they don't have a playmaker as in someone who will make his own plays and make plays for everyone else.
They kinda pushed that role onto Howard. When I personally saw the trade last year that Turk was leaving I was like that team is dead. Nelson played the playmaking role in the two games they won and that was what lead the team to success. But he isn't a natural playmaker so he shyed away from it in game 6.
The style that Orlando tried to play wouldn't work against Boston unless Yao was at center (among people in the league right now). Perkins can handle any other NBA center by himself. Basically, Otis Smith built the team very poorly. They were made to win this year, even though it was obvious that Dwight wouldn't evolve into the next Hakeem in that short of a time frame. Orlando was deep in the luxury tax and a lot of the important role players won't be back next year, so it was all a huge waste.
If the team were built properly, with a double digit rebound bruiser at PF and a real point guard among other things, the team could easily win without Dwight having Pat Ewing's game. The only thing Dwight must improve is his FT shooting.
On June 15 2010 14:32 Kazius wrote: I started this series pretty neutral: I thought the Celtics run through the playoffs showed a lot of heart and was very enjoyable (especially watching them cut down LeBron and Howard down to size). I also think Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game (even if he doesn't win the championship, still one of the ten best to ever play) and deserves a championship to cement his position, and that the Lakers have really hit their stride.
I think it's a bit unfair to single out Howard there. There's not much you can do when you have to go up against that Boston front line with Lewis as your 4.
L.A. should win game 6 since their role players respond very well to playing at home, but it's improbable that they will win 2 in a row without Bynum anywhere near healthy.
I agree about Bynum. Laker's crucial advantage that tips them over the Celtics is Bynum--his length, his size, his defense and believe it or not his offense; I think he is on par if not better offensively than Howard.
With that said, I pray to god Bynum suck ass in Game 6 and if need be Game 7; and a general hex towards the Lakers' overall performance inducing them to suffer severely so much in Game 6, or if need be Game 7 that they lose to the Celtics.
First, singling out Howard is easy for the self-proclaimed Superman thing - not so super when someone is capable of putting some hurt on you. If he had half the offensive skills of Ewing, he would be scary, but right now - he doesn't live up to the hype, not by a long shot. Same with LeBron - he's a great player, but his entire team is built to maximize his efficiency instead of winning games. Bynum is no Howard, but he does move Gasol to the 4, where he's matched up against KG instead of Perkins (KG isn't massive enough to push him around without fouling)... and just like in 2008, Odom just gets manhandled by KG (and now, Big Baby too). Bynum helps the match-up situation go from 4 position Celtics advantage down to two positions.
BUT, as someone who watched the (in)famous Sacramento series, what scares me is that Perkins will get a technical at the start of the match and one for Wallace will (inevitably) ensue, making game 7 much harder (both are one T away from an automatic suspension). Whistles tend to blow freely at the Staples Center, and unfortunately, the league has a history of ruining things.
I don't understand why Howard needs to have a big time offensive game in order for Orlando to win. The most successful center of all time was a worse FT shooter than Howard, and couldn't make any shot outside of the slam dunk. The center has always been, and will always be, a defensive position. There was nothing wrong with Howard's defense in the series, and it's impossible to rebound effectively against that Boston front line when Lewis and Barnes are your forwards.
Well to be fair, Orlando's whole scheme is to be based around Howard's offense. He's offensive capabilities are suppose to draw the defense in and kick out for 3 pointers. Now Orlando in that series completely didn't show up in regards to Pietrus, Lewis, Barnes so not all the fault was on Howard but yeah in regards to why you dont see Howard has to be offensively dominating--this is why I think he has to. He doesn't have to go for 100 or 40 or even 30, but he has to be effective early on so the defense starts to double him or crack a bit. Cause with Turk gone they don't have a playmaker as in someone who will make his own plays and make plays for everyone else.
They kinda pushed that role onto Howard. When I personally saw the trade last year that Turk was leaving I was like that team is dead. Nelson played the playmaking role in the two games they won and that was what lead the team to success. But he isn't a natural playmaker so he shyed away from it in game 6.
The style that Orlando tried to play wouldn't work against Boston unless Yao was at center (among people in the league right now). Perkins can handle any other NBA center by himself. Basically, Otis Smith built the team very poorly. They were made to win this year, even though it was obvious that Dwight wouldn't evolve into the next Hakeem in that short of a time frame. Orlando was deep in the luxury tax and a lot of the important role players won't be back next year, so it was all a huge waste.
If the team were built properly, with a double digit rebound bruiser at PF and a real point guard among other things, the team could easily win without Dwight having Pat Ewing's game. The only thing Dwight must improve is his FT shooting.
I agree the team was built poorly and they tried to rush things to win it this year. Speaking of Yao I miss him. Man I just love how a big man can be so accurate shooting. Although his defense was bad. I swear if he played defense he would be the best Overall big man in the league.
Though I don't agree with the Perkin part, he can't guard Bynum. Not necessarily guard but play. Like against Howard, Perk will give up shots to Bynum too but what puts Bynum above Howard is that even with Perk on him, Bynum can still rebound much much better than Howard could off Perk. It really annoys me those tip ins that Bynum gets, I'm like god damn it! I wish Perk had more length And those tip ins or rebounds wasn't because Perk didn't box out, Perk is great at boxing out but it's just that Bynum just stretches his long ass arms and reaches over him.
Bynum has the luxury of Gasol being in the paint with him. I think Rashard Lewis may actually be allergic to rebounds, he averaged like 4 this year at the PF spot.
I had a dream that the Lakers were down by ten in the fourth. Then Sasha comes off the bench and hits three three's in a row to bring the Lakers within one. Then they go back and fourth, and Vujiacic hit the game winner. It sure was one weird dream.
On June 16 2010 06:42 eatmyshorts5 wrote: I had a dream that the Lakers were down by ten in the fourth. Then Sasha comes off the bench and hits three three's in a row to bring the Lakers within one. Then they go back and fourth, and Vujiacic hit the game winner. It sure was one weird dream.
Yeah I was quite worried about Sasha going berserk off the bench but thanks to his debacle with the Sun bench player he hasn't been too well. Knock on wood!
Celtics please win tonight so I look smart when I said "CELTICS IN SIXXXXX" couple weeks ago.
On June 16 2010 06:39 city42 wrote: Bynum has the luxury of Gasol being in the paint with him. I think Rashard Lewis may actually be allergic to rebounds, he averaged like 4 this year at the PF spot.
This. If Pau Gasol isn't around, Andrew Bynum gets eaten alive on the boards. Dwight Howard is FAR FAR FAR better at rebounding than Bynum and even he had his problems because he can't do it all alone.
On June 16 2010 06:39 city42 wrote: Bynum has the luxury of Gasol being in the paint with him. I think Rashard Lewis may actually be allergic to rebounds, he averaged like 4 this year at the PF spot.
This. If Pau Gasol isn't around, Andrew Bynum gets eaten alive on the boards. Dwight Howard is FAR FAR FAR better at rebounding than Bynum and even he had his problems because he can't do it all alone.
Yeah you guys are right, but I'm still annoyed because Pau IS there. Man I think this stems from the stupid Grizzlies giving him away. Damn you Grizzlies, you sobs!
edit: btw i'm so glad there isnt a "WHERE YOU THINK LBJ GOING TO GO" Thread. xD
On June 16 2010 06:39 city42 wrote: Bynum has the luxury of Gasol being in the paint with him. I think Rashard Lewis may actually be allergic to rebounds, he averaged like 4 this year at the PF spot.
This. If Pau Gasol isn't around, Andrew Bynum gets eaten alive on the boards. Dwight Howard is FAR FAR FAR better at rebounding than Bynum and even he had his problems because he can't do it all alone.
Yeah you guys are right, but I'm still annoyed because Pau IS there. Man I think this stems from the stupid Grizzlies giving him away. Damn you Grizzlies, you sobs!
edit: btw i'm so glad there isnt a "WHERE YOU THINK LBJ GOING TO GO" Thread. xD
On June 16 2010 06:39 city42 wrote: Bynum has the luxury of Gasol being in the paint with him. I think Rashard Lewis may actually be allergic to rebounds, he averaged like 4 this year at the PF spot.
This. If Pau Gasol isn't around, Andrew Bynum gets eaten alive on the boards. Dwight Howard is FAR FAR FAR better at rebounding than Bynum and even he had his problems because he can't do it all alone.
Yeah you guys are right, but I'm still annoyed because Pau IS there. Man I think this stems from the stupid Grizzlies giving him away. Damn you Grizzlies, you sobs!
edit: btw i'm so glad there isnt a "WHERE YOU THINK LBJ GOING TO GO" Thread. xD
Wow you really hate the Lakers a lot. =O
lmao no I don't hate the lakers, I am annoyed at Horry hitting that shot @ Kings Series. Other than that...I didn't hate them last year for dominating Orlando. I even watched their parade...
And has anybody notice a asian dude on their team[Lakers]? WHO THE HELL IS HE?!
On June 16 2010 06:39 city42 wrote: Bynum has the luxury of Gasol being in the paint with him. I think Rashard Lewis may actually be allergic to rebounds, he averaged like 4 this year at the PF spot.
This. If Pau Gasol isn't around, Andrew Bynum gets eaten alive on the boards. Dwight Howard is FAR FAR FAR better at rebounding than Bynum and even he had his problems because he can't do it all alone.
Yeah you guys are right, but I'm still annoyed because Pau IS there. Man I think this stems from the stupid Grizzlies giving him away. Damn you Grizzlies, you sobs!
edit: btw i'm so glad there isnt a "WHERE YOU THINK LBJ GOING TO GO" Thread. xD
Wow you really hate the Lakers a lot. =O
lmao no I don't hate the lakers, I am annoyed at Horry hitting that shot @ Kings Series. Other than that...I didn't hate them last year for dominating Orlando. I even watched their parade...
And has anybody notice a asian dude on their team? WHO THE HELL IS HE?!
Boston or Lakers? For Boston I think it's one of Their Athletic trainers. He helps the players stretch and other things. As for the Lakers, last year they had a player named Sun Yue.
On June 16 2010 06:39 city42 wrote: Bynum has the luxury of Gasol being in the paint with him. I think Rashard Lewis may actually be allergic to rebounds, he averaged like 4 this year at the PF spot.
This. If Pau Gasol isn't around, Andrew Bynum gets eaten alive on the boards. Dwight Howard is FAR FAR FAR better at rebounding than Bynum and even he had his problems because he can't do it all alone.
Yeah you guys are right, but I'm still annoyed because Pau IS there. Man I think this stems from the stupid Grizzlies giving him away. Damn you Grizzlies, you sobs!
edit: btw i'm so glad there isnt a "WHERE YOU THINK LBJ GOING TO GO" Thread. xD
Wow you really hate the Lakers a lot. =O
lmao no I don't hate the lakers, I am annoyed at Horry hitting that shot @ Kings Series. Other than that...I didn't hate them last year for dominating Orlando. I even watched their parade...
And has anybody notice a asian dude on their team? WHO THE HELL IS HE?!
Boston or Lakers? For Boston I think it's one of Their Athletic trainers. He helps the players stretch and other things. As for the Lakers, last year they had a player named Sun Yue.
yeah the lakers, The celtic one is pretty obvious he's a trainer, I swear he gets a lot of tv time :D which is cool but yeah I saw at the parade that an asian guy and recently in this year playoff I saw him with a suit at one of the games. Is he an intern? or a player?
edit: I wish that dude that NJ drafted was as good as Yao. I like yao alot his shooting is awesome. Was kinda hoping for another talented asian foreigner
On June 16 2010 06:39 city42 wrote: Bynum has the luxury of Gasol being in the paint with him. I think Rashard Lewis may actually be allergic to rebounds, he averaged like 4 this year at the PF spot.
This. If Pau Gasol isn't around, Andrew Bynum gets eaten alive on the boards. Dwight Howard is FAR FAR FAR better at rebounding than Bynum and even he had his problems because he can't do it all alone.
Yeah you guys are right, but I'm still annoyed because Pau IS there. Man I think this stems from the stupid Grizzlies giving him away. Damn you Grizzlies, you sobs!
edit: btw i'm so glad there isnt a "WHERE YOU THINK LBJ GOING TO GO" Thread. xD
Wow you really hate the Lakers a lot. =O
lmao no I don't hate the lakers, I am annoyed at Horry hitting that shot @ Kings Series. Other than that...I didn't hate them last year for dominating Orlando. I even watched their parade...
And has anybody notice a asian dude on their team? WHO THE HELL IS HE?!
Boston or Lakers? For Boston I think it's one of Their Athletic trainers. He helps the players stretch and other things. As for the Lakers, last year they had a player named Sun Yue.
yeah the lakers, The celtic one is pretty obvious he's a trainer, I swear he gets a lot of tv time :D which is cool but yeah I saw at the parade that an asian guy and recently in this year playoff I saw him with a suit at one of the games. Is he an intern? or a player?
edit: I wish that dude that NJ drafted was as good as Yao. I like yao alot his shooting is awesome. Was kinda hoping for another talented asian foreigner
On June 16 2010 05:31 travis wrote: Complaining about any one specific call is bogus, as there have been tons of clear calls that were missed and many poor calls that were made. On both sides.
Not calling a foul on celtics when the ball was ripped out of kobe's arms near the end of game 5 was much worse than missing that out of bounds on pierce imo. It was like, the most obvious foul ever. And incredibly game changing. Let me see if I can find a video.
nope, I can't. lol
Here you go
Not a foul, unless grabbing the ball with both hands and pulling is a foul. See how Kobe didn't get pulled at all.
ok, i'll admit though, maybe I am wrong. I would have to see the whole thing again though. when i saw the replay during the game it sure looked like the most obvious foul ever to me. I'll stand by that until I see the whole thing instead of the last .5 seconds of it
and yeah, in that video that was an obvious foul lol
i don't particularly like the lakers or anything in fact im rooting for the celtics
On June 16 2010 03:01 ccdnl wrote: Nice try editing, I think it'd be less presumptuous if you showed a video and tried to prove your point that way. Because for one thing this instance[the photo] could be after he passed the ball. One can see or not see the ball is already out of his hands. He could have caught the balls in bounds, passed in a split second and end up out-of-bounds the next split second. 2nd, this is a nice try at a editing attempt to divulge information or in trying to prove a point.
Saying "nice try editing" is condescending and insulting. It's not a terrible comment to make, but it does make you sound like an ass. It doesn't help that you follow it up by saying he should have shown a video to prove his point, when his post provided a link to such a video. He may not provided the exact time stamp, but that wasn't necessary since you already knew what part of the clip he was referring to by looking at the image. Plus, you don't say "you should provide a more detailed breakdown of the video clip with references to time stamps", you tell him he should have utilized a video clip to make his point, which he did. Following that all up by saying "nice try" again only compounds the condescending and insulting tone.
If you seriously believe he caught the balls out of bounds, please use a video or something more accurate so you can't try to tamper your way into an valid argument.
Referring to his post as an attempt to "tamper" his way into a valid argument is also condescending and insulting. Your entire post presumes that the guy edited or tampered with the screen cap he posted so that it didn't portray what actually happened. You may have been trying to say that the screen cap was misleading and that it's inconclusive, but your post came across as dismissive and presumptuous.
Again, you repeatedly tell him to use a video to back up his argument, but a link to one was provided and a specific instance in that clip was identified by the screen cap. All you had to do was state that your interpretation of what the video clip and screen cap showed is different from his, but you instead imply that he's making everything up and trying to pull a quick one over on everyone.
Your attempt to backtrack and reword your post via explanation after I've called you out doesn't change the fact that your initial post was unnecessarily insulting and condescending, albeit not to an extreme extent, and incorrect (telling him to provide a video when the link had been). While what you said does make sense for the most part, the way you communicated your point was what made you sound like an ass and it was my intention to point that out to you. As for your multiple suggestions of bias on my part against you or your position, rest assured that they're unfounded. I don't know you, have had little to no interaction with you, and certainly haven't developed a bias against you. You just need to realize that oftentimes how you say something is just as important as what you say.
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And those tip ins or rebounds wasn't because Perk didn't box out, Perk is great at boxing out but it's just that Bynum just stretches his long ass arms and reaches over him.![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/2zznnys.jpg)
