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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 15:39:27
May 01 2011 15:36 GMT
#1841
Let me explain:

IVs, or Individual Values are set values from 0-31 that determine the difference between the pokemon's base stats and their actual ingame stats through a complicated math formula that no one cares about. The IVs are set when you encounter or receive the pokemon and cannot be changed in any way. To get perfect IVs, you need to abuse the RNG

A guide for RNG breeding: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3446600

General RNG guide: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83057

EVs, or Effort Values, are gained by defeating other Pokemon. Each Pokemon you beat will award every poke that got XP for killing it (including those with EXP share) with EVs. You can find the individual EVs on Serebii's Pokedex or Bulbapedia (For instance, if you look just below the "Weight" category on Watchog: http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/505.shtml you will find he gives you 1 Attack Effort Value.).

Effort values roughly correlate 4:1 with stats at level 100. They do not directly increase the stats, but increase the rate they grow, so a pokemon at lvl 20 with 250 attack EVs will have a proportionally lower attack value than the same pokemon at lvl 50. You can get up to 255 EVs in a single stat, but because they only scale 4:1, the last 3 are wasted, so the highest number you want to get is 252. The maximum overall EVs you can get are 510. Typically, for an offensive pokemon, you will want 252 in Speed and 252 in their offensive stat (Attack or Special Attack) although this varies on a case by case basis.

There are other items that increase EVs gained, Macho Brace will double them, Wings (like Genius Wing, etc) will increase that stat's EV by 1, and Protien and other vitamins will increase it by 10.


Both EVs and IVs are hidden stat values, you cannot find EVs without hacking the game, and you can't find IVs without an IV calculator like this one: http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/IV.aspx

Keep in mind that because EVs influence stats, and IVs have a wide range, you will have to level up your pokemon and keep track of your EVs that you gave it in order to get the most accurate reading. If you plug in a lvl 50 poke you played the game through with, it won't tell you anything, because the EVs have so warped its stat values that it won't know what the IVs are unless you can tell it exactly what the EV values that you got over the course of playing the game are.

DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
May 01 2011 18:34 GMT
#1842
Ahh, I get it now. So my current main story pokemon will get downright slaughtered if I played wifi. I need to finish the single player first, and then start working on breeding competitive pokes right? So breeding is the way to create these high EV, IV pokemon and those are the pokemon used in competitive online.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
May 01 2011 19:59 GMT
#1843
On May 02 2011 03:34 DragoonPK wrote:
Ahh, I get it now. So my current main story pokemon will get downright slaughtered if I played wifi. I need to finish the single player first, and then start working on breeding competitive pokes right? So breeding is the way to create these high EV, IV pokemon and those are the pokemon used in competitive online.

Most people that you see on WiFi won't have good IV pokemon, there are very few people that do that don't result to hacking the game via action replay.

Breeding is more predictable and easier to manage than capturing wild pokes with high IVs, with the added bonus of getting certain egg moves and an easier chance at a shiny.

That said, you can still do the math to get good IVs on event pokes (the ones standing out in the middle of nowhere like Resharim/Zekrom or Kyuurem/legend dogs.) and even wild ones, there are just a lot more variables that are more difficult to control.

For example, I RNG'd a Moltres in Heart Gold, I had to save in front of it, set my calendar to a random day in 2015, start my game within a second of a certain time on that day, wait exactly 12 seconds before I hit start, then I had to take exactly 122 steps (with repel on) and attack him.

It took forever, and that's quite oversimplified.

DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
May 01 2011 20:18 GMT
#1844
On May 02 2011 04:59 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 03:34 DragoonPK wrote:
Ahh, I get it now. So my current main story pokemon will get downright slaughtered if I played wifi. I need to finish the single player first, and then start working on breeding competitive pokes right? So breeding is the way to create these high EV, IV pokemon and those are the pokemon used in competitive online.

Most people that you see on WiFi won't have good IV pokemon, there are very few people that do that don't result to hacking the game via action replay.

Breeding is more predictable and easier to manage than capturing wild pokes with high IVs, with the added bonus of getting certain egg moves and an easier chance at a shiny.

That said, you can still do the math to get good IVs on event pokes (the ones standing out in the middle of nowhere like Resharim/Zekrom or Kyuurem/legend dogs.) and even wild ones, there are just a lot more variables that are more difficult to control.

For example, I RNG'd a Moltres in Heart Gold, I had to save in front of it, set my calendar to a random day in 2015, start my game within a second of a certain time on that day, wait exactly 12 seconds before I hit start, then I had to take exactly 122 steps (with repel on) and attack him.

It took forever, and that's quite oversimplified.



Holy shit, thats intense XD!
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
May 02 2011 01:49 GMT
#1845
On May 02 2011 05:18 DragoonPK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 04:59 deth2munkies wrote:
On May 02 2011 03:34 DragoonPK wrote:
Ahh, I get it now. So my current main story pokemon will get downright slaughtered if I played wifi. I need to finish the single player first, and then start working on breeding competitive pokes right? So breeding is the way to create these high EV, IV pokemon and those are the pokemon used in competitive online.

Most people that you see on WiFi won't have good IV pokemon, there are very few people that do that don't result to hacking the game via action replay.

Breeding is more predictable and easier to manage than capturing wild pokes with high IVs, with the added bonus of getting certain egg moves and an easier chance at a shiny.

That said, you can still do the math to get good IVs on event pokes (the ones standing out in the middle of nowhere like Resharim/Zekrom or Kyuurem/legend dogs.) and even wild ones, there are just a lot more variables that are more difficult to control.

For example, I RNG'd a Moltres in Heart Gold, I had to save in front of it, set my calendar to a random day in 2015, start my game within a second of a certain time on that day, wait exactly 12 seconds before I hit start, then I had to take exactly 122 steps (with repel on) and attack him.

It took forever, and that's quite oversimplified.



Holy shit, thats intense XD!

It sounds like it, but it's not actually that hard to do once you get a grasp on the concept. RNG Breeding in HGSS was exceptionally easy.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 02 2011 02:08 GMT
#1846
Wtf never knew you could fuck with the rng like that. And I don't see how vgc is as competitive as 6v6 but ok
Jaedong :3
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
May 02 2011 06:50 GMT
#1847
On May 02 2011 11:08 ReketSomething wrote:
Wtf never knew you could fuck with the rng like that. And I don't see how vgc is as competitive as 6v6 but ok

For one thing: It's sponsored. I would go as far as to say "VGC is real, 6v6 singles isn't" but I'm pretty sure that the JAA (Journey Across America) was 6v6 Singles in Ubers format.. but I don't believe that's run anymore.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
May 09 2011 23:05 GMT
#1848
does anyone here use pokesav..
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
May 11 2011 18:26 GMT
#1849
Bamp. Can anyone trade me some gen 2 starters?
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
May 11 2011 18:34 GMT
#1850
On May 02 2011 10:49 VashTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 05:18 DragoonPK wrote:
On May 02 2011 04:59 deth2munkies wrote:
On May 02 2011 03:34 DragoonPK wrote:
Ahh, I get it now. So my current main story pokemon will get downright slaughtered if I played wifi. I need to finish the single player first, and then start working on breeding competitive pokes right? So breeding is the way to create these high EV, IV pokemon and those are the pokemon used in competitive online.

Most people that you see on WiFi won't have good IV pokemon, there are very few people that do that don't result to hacking the game via action replay.

Breeding is more predictable and easier to manage than capturing wild pokes with high IVs, with the added bonus of getting certain egg moves and an easier chance at a shiny.

That said, you can still do the math to get good IVs on event pokes (the ones standing out in the middle of nowhere like Resharim/Zekrom or Kyuurem/legend dogs.) and even wild ones, there are just a lot more variables that are more difficult to control.

For example, I RNG'd a Moltres in Heart Gold, I had to save in front of it, set my calendar to a random day in 2015, start my game within a second of a certain time on that day, wait exactly 12 seconds before I hit start, then I had to take exactly 122 steps (with repel on) and attack him.

It took forever, and that's quite oversimplified.



Holy shit, thats intense XD!

It sounds like it, but it's not actually that hard to do once you get a grasp on the concept. RNG Breeding in HGSS was exceptionally easy.


I actually think it's even easier in B/W. To get a flawless shiny bonsly I only had to get the 2 proper parents, save in front of the egg guy, start the game at a specific time, listen to my 2 chatot say "lol" about 100 times and pick up my egg. Leveling the roggenrola high enough to learn stealth rock took most of the time I think.
dranko
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden378 Posts
May 14 2011 22:32 GMT
#1851
Hi guys! Haven't played Pokemon since the good old GB days and I was just wondering:

The DS can connect to the internet by connecting to a wireless router, right? Does that mean that online Pokemon-trading is possible?
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
May 14 2011 22:44 GMT
#1852
On May 15 2011 07:32 dranko wrote:
Hi guys! Haven't played Pokemon since the good old GB days and I was just wondering:

The DS can connect to the internet by connecting to a wireless router, right? Does that mean that online Pokemon-trading is possible?

Yes.
:)
teh_longinator
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada725 Posts
May 16 2011 07:49 GMT
#1853
I'm looking for Gen 2, 3, and 4 starters... can anyone help me out?
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
May 17 2011 16:47 GMT
#1854
Alright, the VGC season has officially kicked off. The first stop in the USA on the counter-clockwise journey was in Seattle, Washington. Bunch of our Canadian buddies attended, but I think the furthest one of them got was Top 8. And some of my buds got Top 4, but the first place spot in the highest division was taken by somewhat of a lurker from the Pokemon sites. Somebody names "The Biffster." This weekend is in San Jose, California.

Here are some vids of the Finals from each of the 3 divisions, as well as the profile of the guy who takes all the vids. Obviously, Juniors are the little kids, and Masters are the older players... obviously, that tells you the general skill level. Enjoy! =)

~~FINALS VIDS HERE~~
+ Show Spoiler +
JUNIORS FINAL:
+ Show Spoiler +


SENIORS FINAL:
+ Show Spoiler +


MASTERS FINAL:
+ Show Spoiler +


And one of my favourite guys that posts these. He gets like all the vids from each event, usually updated after the weekend. He's pretty cool irl, too. All his vids are on the right side, easy easy.

TeamRocketElite's Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TeamRocketElite



Personally, I found the Seniors final interesting. I did not expect that at all.. VERY interesting opening plan, but he had virtually no follow-up. I was disappointed. =(
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
ak1knight
Profile Joined April 2010
United States313 Posts
May 17 2011 18:14 GMT
#1855
Question about seniors final:
+ Show Spoiler +
Why did he take the Thundurus out so quick when he was sleeping and 1 hp? Seems like he could have waited a few turns and pretty much go 2v1 the rest of the battle unless he was unlucky with the sleep.
w00t
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
May 18 2011 02:44 GMT
#1856
On May 18 2011 03:14 ak1knight wrote:
Question about seniors final:
+ Show Spoiler +
Why did he take the Thundurus out so quick when he was sleeping and 1 hp? Seems like he could have waited a few turns and pretty much go 2v1 the rest of the battle unless he was unlucky with the sleep.

Honestly, I don't know. That was one of the two major mistakes he made that lost him the game. That whole turn was bad, actually. I would have Protected with Terrakion and used Spore on that super bulky-ass Scrafty (seriously, it's as fat as Bronzong was). It was painfully obvious Fake Out was coming, and losing a turn from Shroom wouldn't be a huge deal.

His other mistake was not using Protect, as well. =/
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
May 20 2011 21:45 GMT
#1857
I saw this on Twitter and thought it was interesting: http://go.ign.com/m7Kyoe.
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
May 22 2011 16:32 GMT
#1858
Hmm, good find. I'll drop it on my community on IRC, so what the current World Champ has to say.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
ScaSully
Profile Joined April 2011
United States488 Posts
May 22 2011 16:40 GMT
#1859
i wish this was for xbox or pc
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 16:54:49
May 22 2011 16:48 GMT
#1860
Somebody uploaded a quick vid of the San Jose Finals.

~SAN JOSE MASTERS FINALS~
+ Show Spoiler +


The guy Blak shows is Paul, who goes by zerowing, makiri, or mrbananagrabber (trollin). His opponent is ???? "Metabou". As the match is shown, zerowing is on the bottom of the screen.

I'll upload the rest of the vids as they become available.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
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