• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:48
CET 06:48
KST 14:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
Sagi.gg Launcher Released List of top players active on ShieldBattery Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Stratus: Battle for the sky now on steam Early acc
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Playlenda
Playlendapro
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8460 users

TL Chess match II - Page 13

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 46 Next All
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
December 16 2009 15:05 GMT
#241
8 exf5
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
December 16 2009 15:21 GMT
#242
Why not 8. Nc3? Unless someone convinces me otherwise, that's my vote for now.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
December 16 2009 16:05 GMT
#243
8. exf5
God Mode: Alt+F4
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
December 16 2009 16:19 GMT
#244
8. Nc3 is my move at this point, but will think about this more tonight.

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't like the continuations from 8. exf5. For example Nxf5 leaves his knight in a very strong position, so it almost forces 9. Nxf5 and it seems black can now take the initiative with 9... Qa5+ followed by 10... Qxf5. The bishop at g7 remains troublesome, and 11... 0-0 lines up the black rook and queen nicely... I just don't like all the offensive options black has, it seems we lose initiative and play reactively.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
December 16 2009 16:57 GMT
#245
On December 17 2009 01:19 citi.zen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't like the continuations from 8. exf5. For example Nxf5 leaves his knight in a very strong position, so it almost forces 9. Nxf5 and it seems black can now take the initiative with 9... Qa5+ followed by 10... Qxf5. The bishop at g7 remains troublesome, and 11... 0-0 lines up the black rook and queen nicely... I just don't like all the offensive options black has, it seems we lose initiative and play reactively.


+ Show Spoiler +
Me neither. I don't see any reason to let the knight come to f5 so easily, and after Nc3, the pawn on f5 is harmless as far as I can see. Neither fxe4 or f4 are particularly dangerous.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 16 2009 17:25 GMT
#246
Be3 x Nh6.

+ Show Spoiler +
This will get rid of his knight which could pose a potential threat. Black would have to take out the bishop with one of his own as to safeguard his rook. That leaves us free to take his pawn, as the black bishop can't realy get anywhere.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
December 16 2009 17:48 GMT
#247
what does everyone think about

8. Nxc6

+ Show Spoiler +
8...dxc6 9.Qxd8+ Kxd8 10.Nc3 Qc7 11.0-0-0 how does that look? we should have winning chances in the edngame,

while

8...bac6!? 9.Qd2 Ng4 10.exf5 gxf5 11.h3 Nxe3 12.Bh5+ Kf8 13.fxe3 and we can castle with pressure down the f-file on the black king, with a central pawn break possible


in accordance with that analysis, i may soon change my vote
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 16 2009 17:50 GMT
#248
Could someone do a compilation of the current votes please?

I'd like to know how futile my vote is.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 16 2009 17:58 GMT
#249
eXf5
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 16 2009 18:06 GMT
#250
The current standings are:

exf5 - 4 votes
Bxh6 - 1 vote
Nxc6 - 1 vote
Nc3 - 2 votes
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
December 16 2009 18:41 GMT
#251
On December 17 2009 02:48 jfazz wrote:
what does everyone think about

8. Nxc6

+ Show Spoiler +
8...dxc6 9.Qxd8+ Kxd8 10.Nc3 Qc7 11.0-0-0 how does that look? we should have winning chances in the edngame,

while

8...bac6!? 9.Qd2 Ng4 10.exf5 gxf5 11.h3 Nxe3 12.Bh5+ Kf8 13.fxe3 and we can castle with pressure down the f-file on the black king, with a central pawn break possible


in accordance with that analysis, i may soon change my vote


+ Show Spoiler +
I don't like it. After 8...bac6!? 9.Qd2 Ng4 10.exf5 gxf5 11.h3 Nxe3 12.Bh5+ Kf8 13.fxe3 black can get activity on the queenside, i.e.

13...Rb8 14. Nc3 Qb6 15. b3 Qa5 16. Rc1, and then there are several options for black. He can take the knight for example, after which black might be able to defend against e4 with the queen, and playing e6, Ke7 the king looks quite safe. After a continuation like 16...Bxc3 17. Rxc3 e6 18. O-O Qc5 19. Kh1 Ke7, I don't like our setup.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
December 16 2009 19:20 GMT
#252
On December 17 2009 02:48 jfazz wrote:
what does everyone think about

8. Nxc6

+ Show Spoiler +
8...dxc6 9.Qxd8+ Kxd8 10.Nc3 Qc7 11.0-0-0 how does that look? we should have winning chances in the edngame,

while

8...bac6!? 9.Qd2 Ng4 10.exf5 gxf5 11.h3 Nxe3 12.Bh5+ Kf8 13.fxe3 and we can castle with pressure down the f-file on the black king, with a central pawn break possible


in accordance with that analysis, i may soon change my vote


+ Show Spoiler +
I don't like that it pretty much forces Qd2 or some version thereof after bxc6. It seems like we lose a tempo & black is free to then do whatever, take the initiative. I don't think we should rush to take that f5 pawn for the same reason: why lose a tempo if we don't have to? I'd rather develop a piece or do something more constructive.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
December 16 2009 20:07 GMT
#253
8. Nc3
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
December 16 2009 22:10 GMT
#254
As of right now, I vote 8. Nc3.

+ Show Spoiler +
The only thing that we need to worry about after that is 8...f4. Then, we play 9. Nxc6, and then take on f4.


Reasons why not to prefer any other moves

+ Show Spoiler +
8. exf5 looks bad due to 8... Nxf5 opening the kingside for black to attack. 8. Bxh6 just gives black a big diagonal after 8...Bxh6. 8. Nxc6 looks really risky, especially with the threat of Bxb2 and giving black a long diagonal.


Things to watch out for

+ Show Spoiler +
Black has potential threats: f4, Qa5+, Bxb2, fxe4
Whaaaa?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
December 16 2009 23:20 GMT
#255
lets say we do exf5... he will nxf5, we nxf5, we are left open for bxb2
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
December 16 2009 23:31 GMT
#256
Nc3
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
proberecall
Profile Joined August 2009
United States104 Posts
December 16 2009 23:34 GMT
#257
On December 17 2009 08:20 Bill Murray wrote:
lets say we do exf5... he will nxf5, we nxf5, we are left open for bxb2



he wouldn't

+ Show Spoiler +


if he's a good chess player he wouldn't do bxb2:



+ Show Spoiler +

8. exf5 is met with 8.. Nxf5 9. Nxf5 Bxb2 10. Nd2 gxf5 11 Bb5 Kf8 12 Qb1 Bf6 13 Qxf5 and we have strong position and advantage.


however as of right now I vote 8.Nc3

jcu
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada93 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-17 00:04:54
December 17 2009 00:02 GMT
#258
exf5

Something to think about:

+ Show Spoiler +
Nc3 doesn't really save any tempi since black still has fxe4 nxe4 qa5+ and then the knight must block the check unless you want to play an ugly move like bd2 or kf1. exf5 looks strong to me. one possible line: exf5, nxf5, nxf5, qa5+, nc3, qxf5 c5! All this is pretty much forced and c5 creates problems for the development of the light squared bishop. After this black maybe has some options like qe5 and 0-0 that you guys can look at. qe5 may net him the bishop pair at the cost of further falling behind in development. 0-0 looks weak due to qb3+ and rd1.

I actually like the positions with black's queen "active" in the centre because we can attack it at some points with the three minor pieces and eventually our rooks. Our goal is possibly to use our development advantage to put pressure on his centre and maybe kingside while we keep his queenside hemmed in. He eventually will have to push his central pawns or go for some b6 maneuver and we have to be ready to chop off some pawns when they push and weaken themselves.

Delay moves like nc3 and 0-0 are also interesting with the idea of not allowing him qa5 check. nxc6 leads to an endgame with some winning chances but I prefer to keep the queens on the board. Queens are interesting :D The sharper nature allows us more chances to win.

[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 17 2009 02:58 GMT
#259
now it's:

exf5 - 6 votes
Bxh6 - 1 vote
Nxc6 - 1 vote
Nc3 - 6 votes
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
December 17 2009 09:27 GMT
#260
There is no vote for Nxc6... yet.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 46 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
08:00
ISSL: Premier - Quarterfinals
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PiG Daily
06:20
Best Games of SC
MaxPax vs Clem
SHIN vs TBD
herO vs TBD
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech17
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3434
GuemChi 1719
ZergMaN 78
Noble 28
Force[name] 7
Icarus 7
LuMiX 6
League of Legends
JimRising 688
Counter-Strike
taco 433
Other Games
summit1g13380
XaKoH 428
NeuroSwarm98
ViBE76
RuFF_SC235
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick504
BasetradeTV146
Counter-Strike
PGL87
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2246
League of Legends
• Rush1259
• Lourlo751
• Stunt403
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
17h 12m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 6h
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
OSC
1d 17h
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
PiGosaur Cup
1d 19h
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
IPSL
5 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-06
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.