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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
back to studying endgames for me ![]() | ||
jcu
Canada93 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + the f4 jab. Then Bxf4, BxN, Bxh6, Qb6, Be3, Qxb2, Bxd4, Qxd4, Nc3, Qxd2, Kxd2, d6 and position looks approximately equal. White has a potentially weak c pawn but a space advantage and a slight initiative. | ||
Athos
United States2484 Posts
On December 18 2009 12:26 proberecall wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2009 09:15 Athos wrote: Oh wow, I didn't think about if knight takes O_o. I change my vote to Kc3 That really would be giving something away. KING TO C3 ?? are you aware we are playing occidental chess, not japanese chess ? Lol I meant Nc3 sometimes I use K cause I think of Knight. hahahah | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On December 18 2009 16:29 jcu wrote: I think the most direct refutation to 8. Qd2 is: + Show Spoiler + the f4 jab. Then Bxf4, BxN, Bxh6, Qb6, Be3, Qxb2, Bxd4, Qxd4, Nc3, Qxd2, Kxd2, d6 and position looks approximately equal. White has a potentially weak c pawn but a space advantage and a slight initiative. + Show Spoiler + Instead of Bxh6, Bxd4. Nxd4 Qxd4 and white is fine. | ||
jcu
Canada93 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On December 18 2009 16:39 jcu wrote: Ah okay. I get what you are saying now. But you can't play Bxd4 because i saced f4 pawn temporarily so your Bishop is now on f4 square. + Show Spoiler + Oh hmm I see. I think its ok for white then instead of playing Be3 to play Nc3 and return the extra the f2 pawn. After Bxf2+ Kd1, White can make use of the open f file and I feel that black is too underdeveloped to do anything about white's central king. White's development should put some pressure on black's central king, which cannot castle due to the h6 bishop. Black will be forced to move his bishop off of f2. If not immediately, then Nd5 and the black queen must go back to d8 (has to cover c7 from Nc7+, forking the king and rook. White will have a safe king, active pieces, and a strong initiative with equal material on the board. | ||
cz
United States3249 Posts
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lightman
United States731 Posts
You have chosen correctly, as this has been the first of many traps I intend to set all through the game. A wrong choice would have meant a merciless attack on my part. After the game is over I'll explain what I had in mind if you voted incorrectly. I now respond with 8.... 0-0 next voting closes on Sunday. Question for the white team. I changed the sign ups to closed yet I still have 2 PMs of ppl wanting to join the white team. Should they be allowed ? or from now and on no more ppl joining white team ? Me personally, I'd let them play, but it's your decision. | ||
Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
![]() As far as the 2 guys are concerned, I would let them join if my vote counts. | ||
citi.zen
2509 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + This move makes castling possible on either side for us, and pressures the night at h6. White could answer with 9...Nf7, but then 10.exf5 looks very strong. So 9...Ng4 looks most likely, but there too I think we are in good shape. | ||
Athos
United States2484 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + For me, it was between this and f3. For a while I thought that black moving the f pawn forward would be winning him a piece, however after we exchange of our knights off and move the bishop back, we should be in a decent position. | ||
lightman
United States731 Posts
On December 19 2009 00:22 Arhkangel wrote: Light now that you mention the teams, I dont see my name in there ![]() As far as the 2 guys are concerned, I would let them join if my vote counts. sorry buddy, I thought I had you in from before. now updated. hope you're learning and getting into chess ! | ||
jfazz
Australia672 Posts
![]() ill vote for 9.0-0 + Show Spoiler + a)9...d6 10.Bxh6!? Bxh6 Alright, slightly weird idea I know. We give up the bishop pair and allow him some dark square initiative, notably along the a1-h8 diagonal or the c1-h6 diagonal: 11.exf5 Nxd4 12.Qxd4 Bxf5 13.Bf3 so what do we achieve? 1) pawn structure advantage. once we consolidate our position, we can pressure the d and e pawns, and in any endgame we have a very slight edge due to fewer pawn islands. 2)many weak squares in black's camp due to his haphazard pawn structure. we only have a weak d3 square, we have d5, e6, and altough he has a dark square bishop, his overall structure does create some dark square weaknesses. depending on how the d and e pawns move, we can get an outpost invinvible knight vs. wrong colour bishop in an endgame which would be a huge edge. 3)we would have a powerful f3 bishop hitting his queenside, where he has some difficutly offsetting its power. 4)we can quickly bring our rooks to the central files, pressurring the backwards e7 pawn. if anyone is wondering, on Bg7, we play Qe3, which covers the knight, and starts our e-file buildup. b)9...fxe4 10.Nxe4 Nf5 11.Nxf5 Rxf5 12.c5 (opening the diagonal against the black king) 12...Qc7 with some edge for white, owing to the space advantage and pressure against the d-pawn. The black king can quickly became a little exposed after we centralize our pieces to hit on the d and e pawns, who knows how we might wander over to the kingside ![]() On 12...Bxb2 13.Qb3+ obviously. I think this line offers good squeezing opportunities. c)9...Ng4 this move was actually a little confronting, and im not completely sold on my analysis. but i think that 10.exf5 Nxe3 11.fxe3 Nxd4 12.exd4 Rxf5 13.Rxf5 gxf5 14.Qd2 d6 gives us a very slightly better position with no losing chances. Its boring I know, but its super easy to play, and we get the usual space advantage and weak squares to exploit. | ||
Ikari
United States176 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
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Ikari
United States176 Posts
On December 19 2009 01:05 citi.zen wrote: I am curious: what are the downsides you guys are seeing to 9. Qd2? + Show Spoiler + If we 9. Qd2 I'm thinking... 9...f4 10. Bxf4 Bxd4 11. Bxh6 Bxf2+ Defeats the purpose of trying to castle queenside. | ||
[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It just brings the rook out and keeps the king safe, so why not? | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Qd2, as i want to be able to castle on the other side. | ||
Soda
United States66 Posts
Everyone who voted for 9. 0-0 is missing 9... f4 which wins our knight at d4. So first we must address the threat of the pawn push. exf5 is still poor because it activates black's knight. f3 protects the pawn and gives the dark-squared bishop an escape square but makes our light-squared bishop weaker. However it will strengthen white's center so I think it's the best move. My vote is for 9. f3. | ||
[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
change my vote to Qd2 + Show Spoiler + pawn gained | ||
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