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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
December 18 2009 06:02 GMT
#281
yeah, he asked for it in the OP. I've been guilty of not doing it myself, but just in general it is worth adhering to. Furthermore, it means that when responding to one person in particular, it saves everyone else from having to read it, because afterall, all this analysis can be rather time consuming!

back to studying endgames for me
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
jcu
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada93 Posts
December 18 2009 07:29 GMT
#282
I think the most direct refutation to 8. Qd2 is:

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the f4 jab. Then Bxf4, BxN, Bxh6, Qb6, Be3, Qxb2, Bxd4, Qxd4, Nc3, Qxd2, Kxd2, d6 and position looks approximately equal. White has a potentially weak c pawn but a space advantage and a slight initiative.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 18 2009 07:31 GMT
#283
On December 18 2009 12:26 proberecall wrote:
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On December 18 2009 09:15 Athos wrote:
Oh wow, I didn't think about if knight takes O_o.

I change my vote to Kc3


That really would be giving something away.


KING TO C3 ??

are you aware we are playing occidental chess, not japanese chess ?



Lol I meant Nc3


sometimes I use K cause I think of Knight.

hahahah
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
December 18 2009 07:33 GMT
#284
On December 18 2009 16:29 jcu wrote:
I think the most direct refutation to 8. Qd2 is:

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the f4 jab. Then Bxf4, BxN, Bxh6, Qb6, Be3, Qxb2, Bxd4, Qxd4, Nc3, Qxd2, Kxd2, d6 and position looks approximately equal. White has a potentially weak c pawn but a space advantage and a slight initiative.


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Instead of Bxh6, Bxd4. Nxd4 Qxd4 and white is fine.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
jcu
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada93 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 07:56:01
December 18 2009 07:39 GMT
#285
Ah okay. I get what you are saying now. But you can't play Bxd4 because i saced f4 pawn temporarily so your Bishop is now on f4 square.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 08:14:12
December 18 2009 08:11 GMT
#286
On December 18 2009 16:39 jcu wrote:
Ah okay. I get what you are saying now. But you can't play Bxd4 because i saced f4 pawn temporarily so your Bishop is now on f4 square.

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Oh hmm I see. I think its ok for white then instead of playing Be3 to play Nc3 and return the extra the f2 pawn. After Bxf2+ Kd1, White can make use of the open f file and I feel that black is too underdeveloped to do anything about white's central king. White's development should put some pressure on black's central king, which cannot castle due to the h6 bishop. Black will be forced to move his bishop off of f2. If not immediately, then Nd5 and the black queen must go back to d8 (has to cover c7 from Nc7+, forking the king and rook. White will have a safe king, active pieces, and a strong initiative with equal material on the board.
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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 09:15:47
December 18 2009 09:11 GMT
#287
aa
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 15:05:09
December 18 2009 15:03 GMT
#288
In a very tense and exciting 2 day voting process 8. Nc3 wins.

You have chosen correctly, as this has been the first of many traps I intend to set all through the game. A wrong choice would have meant a merciless attack on my part. After the game is over I'll explain what I had in mind if you voted incorrectly.

I now respond with 8.... 0-0

next voting closes on Sunday.



Question for the white team.

I changed the sign ups to closed yet I still have 2 PMs of ppl wanting to join the white team. Should they be allowed ? or from now and on no more ppl joining white team ?

Me personally, I'd let them play, but it's your decision.
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
December 18 2009 15:22 GMT
#289
Light now that you mention the teams, I dont see my name in there I am not pro but I think I can contribute something.

As far as the 2 guys are concerned, I would let them join if my vote counts.
Part Time Ninja
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 15:54:01
December 18 2009 15:33 GMT
#290
9. Qd2

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This move makes castling possible on either side for us, and pressures the night at h6. White could answer with 9...Nf7, but then 10.exf5 looks very strong. So 9...Ng4 looks most likely, but there too I think we are in good shape.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 18 2009 15:33 GMT
#291
After much thought 0-0


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For me, it was between this and f3. For a while I thought that black moving the f pawn forward would be winning him a piece, however after we exchange of our knights off and move the bishop back, we should be in a decent position.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
December 18 2009 15:37 GMT
#292
On December 19 2009 00:22 Arhkangel wrote:
Light now that you mention the teams, I dont see my name in there I am not pro but I think I can contribute something.

As far as the 2 guys are concerned, I would let them join if my vote counts.


sorry buddy, I thought I had you in from before. now updated.

hope you're learning and getting into chess !
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
December 18 2009 15:50 GMT
#293
hmm, i am very interested to know where this attack was coming from

ill vote for 9.0-0

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a)9...d6 10.Bxh6!? Bxh6

Alright, slightly weird idea I know. We give up the bishop pair and allow him some dark square initiative, notably along the a1-h8 diagonal or the c1-h6 diagonal:

11.exf5 Nxd4 12.Qxd4 Bxf5 13.Bf3

so what do we achieve?
1) pawn structure advantage. once we consolidate our position, we can pressure the d and e pawns, and in any endgame we have a very slight edge due to fewer pawn islands.
2)many weak squares in black's camp due to his haphazard pawn structure. we only have a weak d3 square, we have d5, e6, and altough he has a dark square bishop, his overall structure does create some dark square weaknesses. depending on how the d and e pawns move, we can get an outpost invinvible knight vs. wrong colour bishop in an endgame which would be a huge edge.
3)we would have a powerful f3 bishop hitting his queenside, where he has some difficutly offsetting its power.
4)we can quickly bring our rooks to the central files, pressurring the backwards e7 pawn.

if anyone is wondering, on Bg7, we play Qe3, which covers the knight, and starts our e-file buildup.

b)9...fxe4 10.Nxe4 Nf5 11.Nxf5 Rxf5 12.c5 (opening the diagonal against the black king) 12...Qc7 with some edge for white, owing to the space advantage and pressure against the d-pawn. The black king can quickly became a little exposed after we centralize our pieces to hit on the d and e pawns, who knows how we might wander over to the kingside

On 12...Bxb2 13.Qb3+ obviously. I think this line offers good squeezing opportunities.

c)9...Ng4 this move was actually a little confronting, and im not completely sold on my analysis. but i think that

10.exf5 Nxe3 11.fxe3 Nxd4 12.exd4 Rxf5 13.Rxf5 gxf5 14.Qd2 d6 gives us a very slightly better position with no losing chances. Its boring I know, but its super easy to play, and we get the usual space advantage and weak squares to exploit.
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
December 18 2009 16:03 GMT
#294
9. 0-0
God Mode: Alt+F4
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
December 18 2009 16:05 GMT
#295
I am curious: what are the downsides you guys are seeing to 9. Qd2?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 20:01:20
December 18 2009 16:14 GMT
#296
On December 19 2009 01:05 citi.zen wrote:
I am curious: what are the downsides you guys are seeing to 9. Qd2?

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If we 9. Qd2

I'm thinking...

9...f4 10. Bxf4 Bxd4 11. Bxh6 Bxf2+

Defeats the purpose of trying to castle queenside.
God Mode: Alt+F4
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 17:27:19
December 18 2009 17:27 GMT
#297
I am a fan of castling so 0-0

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It just brings the rook out and keeps the king safe, so why not?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
December 18 2009 19:25 GMT
#298
let them play, coach.
Qd2, as i want to be able to castle on the other side.
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Soda
Profile Joined December 2009
United States66 Posts
December 18 2009 19:51 GMT
#299
Ok, so now I'm officially added to the team.
Everyone who voted for 9. 0-0 is missing 9... f4 which wins our knight at d4. So first we must address the threat of the pawn push.

exf5 is still poor because it activates black's knight. f3 protects the pawn and gives the dark-squared bishop an escape square but makes our light-squared bishop weaker. However it will strengthen white's center so I think it's the best move.
My vote is for 9. f3.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 21:11:06
December 18 2009 21:08 GMT
#300
I am convinced

change my vote to Qd2

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pawn gained
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