EPTVery few heroes in this game are actually "bad," which is why I keep saying you can play them as long as you're not finding yourself simply being out-classed hero-to-hero, but eventually you'll run into some stupid shit like Jax who'll do what you do, but better.
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
Very few heroes in this game are actually "bad," which is why I keep saying you can play them as long as you're not finding yourself simply being out-classed hero-to-hero, but eventually you'll run into some stupid shit like Jax who'll do what you do, but better. | ||
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
I think my main issue with early survivability was the whole, you know, being stunned for 5 seconds at level 2 thing. That was a real pain in my balls. | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On the other hand, going with your twitch build on him might be good -- if he's already strong early, he might just win. Well, except against buggy Veigar. As to Mundo -- I'd rather have Alister or Malphite as a tank in pretty much any situation whatsoever. He's not "bad" as in "you can't win with him", he's "bad" as in "purely inferior." --oberon | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 17 2010 08:00 Southlight wrote: He does it on Twitch. oh... so like, 4 doran's blades, boots and some item that actually does something? | ||
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
Edit: Apparently the LoL servers are really weird atm, just dodged a loss with a random dc into character select screen with new players. :| | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On March 17 2010 08:47 Mogwai wrote: oh... so like, 4 doran's blades, boots and some item that actually does something? The build he raped me with was like blade boots blade blade blade last whisper Then he went like 13-2 | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On March 17 2010 08:06 oberon wrote: TF is actually quite strong early on. I was midding against him as sivir, and finding that his normal attack hit almost as hard as my boomerang blade. Even spellshielding his gold cards, it took a while before I started winning the lane battle. On the other hand, going with your twitch build on him might be good -- if he's already strong early, he might just win. Well, except against buggy Veigar. As to Mundo -- I'd rather have Alister or Malphite as a tank in pretty much any situation whatsoever. He's not "bad" as in "you can't win with him", he's "bad" as in "purely inferior." --oberon lol you think mundo is a tank it all makes sense now hes a melee DPS, roku is a top, top player and regularly does well with him. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On March 17 2010 09:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: The build he raped me with was like blade boots blade blade blade last whisper Then he went like 13-2 Yeah, that's his standard. The boots are usually merc treads. I believe in long games he sells a blade for an IE. On March 17 2010 10:05 Brees wrote: lol you think mundo is a tank it all makes sense now hes a melee DPS, roku is a top, top player and regularly does well with him. How can you have a melee DPS? Enemies can just...run away, no? I mean, isn't that why Master Yi is kinda crap (and he has a lot more +speed stuff than Mundo)? Maybe some day the game will have an observer mode and I can see this for myself. --oberon | ||
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
Mundo just doesn't match up to melee DPS like Jax/Nasus etc. You need way too many items for him to do his thing. So what you end up seeing is a lot of Mundos being too afraid to engage, because he knows he can't tank, so he starts playing like this pussy-ass ranged hero that does nothing. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Most people will suck at Mundo and never do anything except headbutt-crit kills off of legitimate carries. The wonderful thing about Mundo is that you can actually output acceptable damage without ANY items. That's why so many people go mogs-boots-FoN or Sunfire. They're still critting 400 damage every so often, but they keep running in and dying anyways. "Well, more survivability!" My favorite game ever was me and an Annie against Ryze/Udyr or something. Double kill at level 3, tower down by level 4. Mundo makes toothpicks of towers. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On March 17 2010 10:27 Tooplark wrote: Mundo is great if you get a couple kills in the laning phase. If by 'great' you mean 'on par with Jax or Nasus', and by that measure so is anyone. Most people will suck at Mundo and never do anything except headbutt-crit kills off of legitimate carries. The wonderful thing about Mundo is that you can actually output acceptable damage without ANY items. That's why so many people go mogs-boots-FoN or Sunfire. They're still critting 400 damage every so often, but they keep running in and dying anyways. "Well, more survivability!" My favorite game ever was me and an Annie against Ryze/Udyr or something. Double kill at level 3, tower down by level 4. Mundo makes toothpicks of towers. Reading this post, I'm not sure if you like Mundo or not, and if you endorse survivability items on him or not. I'm just generally confused. Also, everyone has had "that one good game" -- it doesn't prove much about a specific character. Today I was playing Sivir mid against bugged Veigar (with uberstun) and had not only one, but TWO towers down within the first 10 minutes. That doesn't mean Sivir is top tier, it means I outplayed the Veigar and my team was putting on a lot of pressure so he got no help and had to hang back if my allies went MIA. Now, if you regularly take a turret in 4 minutes with Mundo, that's different. --oberon | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Also if I'm outlaning the other team I usually have a turret down in 15 minutes or so. Not that special. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On March 17 2010 10:43 oberon wrote: Reading this post, I'm not sure if you like Mundo or not, and if you endorse survivability items on him or not. I'm just generally confused. Also, everyone has had "that one good game" -- it doesn't prove much about a specific character. Today I was playing Sivir mid against bugged Veigar (with uberstun) and had not only one, but TWO towers down within the first 10 minutes. That doesn't mean Sivir is top tier, it means I outplayed the Veigar and my team was putting on a lot of pressure so he got no help and had to hang back if my allies went MIA. Now, if you regularly take a turret in 4 minutes with Mundo, that's different. --oberon Sivir is top tier :D | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
Yes, she is, but she's not top tier because I had a good game with her -- she's top tier because she's AWESOME. As a side note, I wasn't even using a top tier build on her -- I was using a special build I cooked up for pub games. --oberon | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On March 17 2010 12:24 Tooplark wrote: I love Mundo but acknowledge that he's pretty bad. I believe that survivability items are necessary on Mundo (melee DPS) but you need some DPS items too if you want to actually do reasonable damage. The "one good game" was just because it was awesome. Also if I'm outlaning the other team I usually have a turret down in 15 minutes or so. Not that special. Taking a tower in 15 is not that special. Taking two mid towers in the first 10 minutes without getting ganked seemed special to me. --oberon | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On March 17 2010 20:54 oberon wrote: Taking a tower in 15 is not that special. Taking two mid towers in the first 10 minutes without getting ganked seemed special to me. --oberon Can't take it anymore. Plz stop saying "--oberon" after each post. We know it's you. It says right at the top of your post. On topic: I play blitzcrank. What do you guys think about him. I've made a build that gives me a win rate (atm) of 30 - 10 and I am not a carry. I really think he is crazy good. What wins me the games is mid, lategame when people start going together. Even against high elo players you can always get a couple of gamebreaking grabs that just ends games fast. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On March 17 2010 21:45 Ota Solgryn wrote: Signing my posts has no more to do with making sure everyone knows who it is than signing my emails/snail mail.Can't take it anymore. Plz stop saying "--oberon" after each post. We know it's you. It says right at the top of your post. On topic: I play blitzcrank. What do you guys think about him. I've made a build that gives me a win rate (atm) of 30 - 10 and I am not a carry. I really think he is crazy good. What wins me the games is mid, lategame when people start going together. Even against high elo players you can always get a couple of gamebreaking grabs that just ends games fast. One of the people I play most with plays Blitz as his main. Grab is just really, really good -- especially with a strong pusher (Heim, Siv) -- you get into those stalemate dances around turrets, then Blitz comes in and grabs someone from next to their turret, and they get slaughtered. I'm genuinely surprised I don't see more Blitz -- his stats are good, he has a skill for almost every situation, and his only weakness seems to be that he can't dominate a team-fight. Yet I see more Eve or Ryze than I do Blitz, and they're completely one-dimensional and ALSO can't dominate a team fight. --oberon | ||
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