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On February 16 2010 08:25 Baikinman wrote:
Siv is loved by many people for one simple reason (easy mode hero) all u do is farm with boomerang and auto attack without any brains. Its an easy hero to play and has the shield (requires some skills but not much). But if the teams are even and Siv doesn't get fed she dies so easily. You will get Starks and mana item usually mid game with no health item meaning she is dead compared to Trist who can jump away or push few hero away with ult. No survival compared to Trist.
When i play blitz i would rather face Siv than Trist who can hit and run cuz the only way to catch Trist is by hooking before they jump or shoot u away. Only been able to catch them after they use ult 9-10 times where i hook, then ult comes but i will pull them where i land making the hook distance 2x.
There's more Siv player than Trist that's good with one simple reason... Siv is easy to play -.-
I think your assessment of Sivir's survivability is way off. She's probably the hardest hero to kill in the game outside of Poppy/Shaco/Kassadin. Don't know what ELO you're playing at, but if I get into the midgame with Sivir and the other team doesn't have a sivir and the teams are equal, that's GG for the opposing team right there. No way they're going to be hold off the 5 man sivir pushes in midgame.
And when I get into midgame I have catalyst/mobility boots/starks with ghostwalk/exhaust and my ult for +30% move speed and a spell shield to block stuns. This on top of 25% dodge from Sivir's passive and +13% move speed and +2% dodge from masteries. It really is nonsense to say Sivir doesn't have survivability. Spell shield for nukers. Exhaust for phys gankers. And ghostwalk/ulti/dodge to run away.
On skill of the heroes, I think that's an irrelevant point. And to be blunt, your analysis of Sivir/Tristana makes it sound like you're not playing at a very high ELO or even understand the concept of how the team game goes. Basing your thoughts on other heroes around how well you can gank them with Blitz isn't a very deep analysis. Plus, Sivir is ungankable by a solo Blitz unless she has no clue he's in the lane. Spell shield > hook.
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Can someone post an updated tier list? I want to know if my hunches are correct, I suspect that Twitch is no longer top tier.
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On February 16 2010 09:07 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 08:25 Baikinman wrote:
Siv is loved by many people for one simple reason (easy mode hero) all u do is farm with boomerang and auto attack without any brains. Its an easy hero to play and has the shield (requires some skills but not much). But if the teams are even and Siv doesn't get fed she dies so easily. You will get Starks and mana item usually mid game with no health item meaning she is dead compared to Trist who can jump away or push few hero away with ult. No survival compared to Trist.
When i play blitz i would rather face Siv than Trist who can hit and run cuz the only way to catch Trist is by hooking before they jump or shoot u away. Only been able to catch them after they use ult 9-10 times where i hook, then ult comes but i will pull them where i land making the hook distance 2x.
There's more Siv player than Trist that's good with one simple reason... Siv is easy to play -.- I think your assessment of Sivir's survivability is way off. She's probably the hardest hero to kill in the game outside of Poppy/Shaco/Kassadin.
I disagree with that, Mundo is harder to kill and so is Singed and that's just off the top of my head.
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no idea why people are comparing sivir and tristana anyway. sivir is the best support hero in the game as an ult bot that puts out good damage.
tristana is considered one of the better pure carries in the game by top players behind only corki basically as far as DPS goes.
AOE displacement is underrated, as is tristana's ult. it can be insanely useful.
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On February 16 2010 09:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 09:07 StorkHwaiting wrote:On February 16 2010 08:25 Baikinman wrote:
Siv is loved by many people for one simple reason (easy mode hero) all u do is farm with boomerang and auto attack without any brains. Its an easy hero to play and has the shield (requires some skills but not much). But if the teams are even and Siv doesn't get fed she dies so easily. You will get Starks and mana item usually mid game with no health item meaning she is dead compared to Trist who can jump away or push few hero away with ult. No survival compared to Trist.
When i play blitz i would rather face Siv than Trist who can hit and run cuz the only way to catch Trist is by hooking before they jump or shoot u away. Only been able to catch them after they use ult 9-10 times where i hook, then ult comes but i will pull them where i land making the hook distance 2x.
There's more Siv player than Trist that's good with one simple reason... Siv is easy to play -.- I think your assessment of Sivir's survivability is way off. She's probably the hardest hero to kill in the game outside of Poppy/Shaco/Kassadin. I disagree with that, Mundo is harder to kill and so is Singed and that's just off the top of my head.
Sorry, I should have said "carry hero." OFC tanks are going to be harder to kill lol.
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On February 16 2010 09:16 Brees wrote:
no idea why people are comparing sivir and tristana anyway. sivir is the best support hero in the game as an ult bot that puts out good damage.
tristana is considered one of the better pure carries in the game by top players behind only corki basically as far as DPS goes.
AOE displacement is underrated, as is tristana's ult. it can be insanely useful.
Exactly.
And when did I say anything about survivability? I don't care about their survivability.
oh yeah I completely forgot Corki, that dude's DPS is nuts.
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Mundo and Singed are very tough, but they don't have the kind of crazy escape mechanisms that you see in Diplomatic Immunity, Deceive, and Rift Walk. So yeah, they won't go down easily in a team fight context, but in a gank context, the best you can do is Boots 3 and Ghost.
The two latest tier lists I've seen are here:
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=18666.msg761336
On a related note, I have UFO Corki and I must suck because I can never do well with him. Any pro Corki players here?
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On November 20 2009 04:35 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
If anybody says LOL without the proper context, I will request for a temp ban..
i loled
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On February 16 2010 09:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Can someone post an updated tier list? I want to know if my hunches are correct, I suspect that Twitch is no longer top tier.
I don't have a tier list but you could base it on the best team possible:
Initiator - Alistar (Malph would also be a great choice)
Carry - Tristana/Twitch/Corki (tristana best single dmg dpser but twitch/corki have AoE)
Soft Carry - Sivir/Annie/Fiddle (They can all bring something great to a team)
Support - Taric (only viable support char in the game)
Card Master - Twisted Fate
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lol card master=twisted fate <3
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On February 16 2010 09:57 heyitsme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 09:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Can someone post an updated tier list? I want to know if my hunches are correct, I suspect that Twitch is no longer top tier. I don't have a tier list but you could base it on the best team possible: Initiator - Alistar (Malph would also be a great choice) Carry - Tristana/Twitch/Corki (tristana best single dmg dpser but twitch/corki have AoE) Soft Carry - Sivir/Annie/Fiddle (They can all bring something great to a team) Support - Taric (only viable support char in the game) Card Master - Twisted Fate
[edit] Wow, these tournament players completely disagree with me for some reason. I must not know what i'm talking about. [/edit]
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Lol @ Cardmaster = Twisted fate, he's a whole class of his own...
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lol Card Master is his own class, he can go ANYWHERE on the map at anytime, not saying hes OP because in a straight up 1v1 he will lose, vs nearly anyone, but when played correctly, you cant stop him.
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Whats with Teemo, i've seen tons of people use him, yet i heard hes a bad hero. O_O
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I'd agree with that list except for Rammus. He is better than t4.
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Teemo is fun easy awesome anti-carry/anti-twitchy type chars.
I've kinda given up on LoL got bored after like 600games. Was nice time waster while waiting for SC2 beta thats for sure.
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I just added the whole list of people from TL, hoping for some great games. Cause there are a bunch of feeders and leavers in everygame -_-
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On February 16 2010 15:13 Adeeler wrote:
Teemo is fun easy awesome anti-carry/anti-twitchy type chars.
I've kinda given up on LoL got bored after like 600games. Was nice time waster while waiting for SC2 beta thats for sure.
Yep this is what I'm expecting.
Maybe if they add ranked play and I find a bunch of people to consistently play with and compete with I'll stick with it, but at this point it just looks too much like they don't care (or don't know better, which is worse) about balance, game stability, glitches, or competitiveness.
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The problem with Teemo is that if the entire team gets merc's treads he's useless because his DPS is weak, his mushrooms got nerfed, and he's really, really easy to kill.
In pub games he stomps though because nobody knows how to play and he can get a bloodrazor super early and stack attack speed.
You should 100% always be getting merc treads btw.
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