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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51497 Posts
May 31 2010 06:50 GMT
#5101
my friends and i are looking for 2m for our little pug.

add me (kwonyuri).
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
May 31 2010 07:15 GMT
#5102
On May 30 2010 22:09 oberon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 10:14 redtooth wrote:
On May 30 2010 10:09 oberon wrote:
Those games were brutal. 58 minutes on the first, surrender at 45 (could've gone a bit longer) on the second.

Good games everyone.
bait and switch bro.

seriously during the 2nd to last team fight when i was baiting you guys bottom, i made my team just sit at a bush for a whole minute waiting for you guys. i felt so stupid until radjacob started trying to kill me and got out of position. that was the greatest feeling of relief i felt in a single game of LoL. if you guys didn't fall for it i would have just wasted so much time for my team.


Oddly, I don't recall this at all -- I'm pretty sure that every time there was a teamfight, we expected a teamfight.

That said, you won most (all?) of the teamfights, so...
i don't think soooo. if you expected a teamfight then rad wouldn't have gone so far out of position. the first bait was when i started pushing bottom and rad+shen (i think) came to stop it and our entire team surrounded and killed them without a full-out team fight. second bait was ezreal up top (the last team fight) when rad and shen once again stopped the push but died to 4 heroes running out of a bush and tower diving them. after that it was just cleanup.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 07:40:38
May 31 2010 07:23 GMT
#5103
On May 31 2010 06:22 Mogwai wrote:
pantheon vs. fiddle hasn't actually come up for me, we should play it out sometime. In theorycrafting, I actually think pantheon would just win the war of attrition vs. Fiddle because he's doing better harass with less mana, but Fiddle should be good about not just dying to his burst at level 3 with double disable. Then again, I thought that's what sivir would be like too, but in action, she's just fucked because you just get too close for her to see your jump coming in time to shield it and she's dead.

as for hard counters, I'm still yet to feel helpless vs. anyone. I think the worst matchups are Karthus and Katarina and maybe Heimer (hasn't come up in awhile). Against all of them, I think you can still compete just fine with a red elixir, but I think those and the mirror match are the only ones that really require it. The common ones like Ashe, Ez, and Annie all feel really easy to win with boots.

EDIT: forgot to mention, Janna's pretty tough. red elixir makes it a lot easier, but I'm still 100% convinced I can win it with boots if I don't fuck up.
that's odd. i feel that panth is the single hardest matchup for me as kat. karthus is a joke if you know how to play it right. fiddle and ezreal require a different playstyle but are auto-wins. good ashes and annies can be really really hard though (i seriously wish volley was easier to see/predict/block/dodge). IMO (which may or may not be right) panth is the single best mid in the game right now, followed by nidalee, annie, and kat in that order.

for some reason though, corkis are actually really hard to lane against. they're so rare so i don't really have a good perspective of how much damage they're capable of dishing out. then i get into an exchange and come out with half my health gone, wondering how the fuck he did so much damage. and as much as i hate to admit it, radjacob as tristana was a surprisingly difficult matchup at mid too. she has so much health wtf.

edit: i think panth is so far ahead of kat that if we were to match up i would probably just concede the lane to you and focus on cs. i usually just concede lanes to nidalees and red-potted panths unless i recognize their name and know that they are a baddie. annies i always contest though.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 08:00:05
May 31 2010 07:58 GMT
#5104
On May 31 2010 11:28 Gokey wrote:
Regarding Blind Pick vs Bans, I don't think our community skills in general is good enough to have it make too much of a difference right now. For example, our team did not have any top tier characters except for Ezrael.

Right now individual skills in community tourneys like this far outweigh champion advantage. I think half of the fun in our tourney was just getting everyone together and fostering a sense of competition.

I do think that eventually Bans may be a good idea, but right now our main focus is to get a core group of people in TL to play together and compete, and also to get the TL LoL players together. If enough people want Bans, we can definitely implement it though.
yeah but we had a gozey. that alone wins games. he outclasses all other captains with his awesome 100% miss rate arrows and rigged draft pick order.

on a more serious note, i agree with the assertion that there was enough variety in heroes during the tournament. like the other katarinas all played better then expected, udyr/jax/soraka were mia, only 1 janna in the entire tournament afaik. and as annoying/frustrating as it was to play vs a janna/zilean/shen team, they weren't immortal and did end up losing a game.

we gotta somehow do something about re-distributing players in the teams though so that player skill is evenly spread out. i was pleasantly surprised with how well our <lvl30 (lepshis) played but i saw some others (no offense) holding their teams back a bit. and some of the draft picks didn't make sense or could have turned out imbalanced (inept as 5th pick, kyzer/ezpz as free agents). i guess if we play more together we'll get a better sense for each other's skill levels and draft wiser.
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Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
May 31 2010 09:09 GMT
#5105
On May 31 2010 09:11 HazMat wrote:
No, you obviously cheated in a community run tournament with no prize money.

even if i did, hero picks were settled long before we even got into hero selection
A game where the first thing you do is scout with a “worker”. Does that make any sense? Who scouts with a “worker”? That’s like sending out the janitor to perform recon, what general would do that? Retarded game.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
May 31 2010 09:56 GMT
#5106
On May 31 2010 18:09 Roflhaxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 09:11 HazMat wrote:
No, you obviously cheated in a community run tournament with no prize money.

even if i did, hero picks were settled long before we even got into hero selection

he was being sarcastic <_<
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 31 2010 10:42 GMT
#5107
On May 31 2010 16:58 redtooth wrote:
i was pleasantly surprised with how well our <lvl30 (lepshis) played

lepshis is one of the best gragas I've had the honor of playing with, he's a really good player in general.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Soloside
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1238 Posts
May 31 2010 12:39 GMT
#5108
On May 31 2010 19:42 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 16:58 redtooth wrote:
i was pleasantly surprised with how well our <lvl30 (lepshis) played

lepshis is one of the best gragas I've had the honor of playing with, he's a really good player in general.


Yes, he is a very good player, kinda makes me wonder why he wasn't 30 last time we played >_>
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 31 2010 13:30 GMT
#5109
On May 31 2010 16:23 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 06:22 Mogwai wrote:
pantheon vs. fiddle hasn't actually come up for me, we should play it out sometime. In theorycrafting, I actually think pantheon would just win the war of attrition vs. Fiddle because he's doing better harass with less mana, but Fiddle should be good about not just dying to his burst at level 3 with double disable. Then again, I thought that's what sivir would be like too, but in action, she's just fucked because you just get too close for her to see your jump coming in time to shield it and she's dead.

as for hard counters, I'm still yet to feel helpless vs. anyone. I think the worst matchups are Karthus and Katarina and maybe Heimer (hasn't come up in awhile). Against all of them, I think you can still compete just fine with a red elixir, but I think those and the mirror match are the only ones that really require it. The common ones like Ashe, Ez, and Annie all feel really easy to win with boots.

EDIT: forgot to mention, Janna's pretty tough. red elixir makes it a lot easier, but I'm still 100% convinced I can win it with boots if I don't fuck up.
that's odd. i feel that panth is the single hardest matchup for me as kat. karthus is a joke if you know how to play it right. fiddle and ezreal require a different playstyle but are auto-wins. good ashes and annies can be really really hard though (i seriously wish volley was easier to see/predict/block/dodge). IMO (which may or may not be right) panth is the single best mid in the game right now, followed by nidalee, annie, and kat in that order.

for some reason though, corkis are actually really hard to lane against. they're so rare so i don't really have a good perspective of how much damage they're capable of dishing out. then i get into an exchange and come out with half my health gone, wondering how the fuck he did so much damage. and as much as i hate to admit it, radjacob as tristana was a surprisingly difficult matchup at mid too. she has so much health wtf.

edit: i think panth is so far ahead of kat that if we were to match up i would probably just concede the lane to you and focus on cs. i usually just concede lanes to nidalees and red-potted panths unless i recognize their name and know that they are a baddie. annies i always contest though.

I dunno if you were talking about Panth when you mentioned karthus, but it's been awhile since I ran into a karthus, and it was basically a huge pain in the ass when I ran into one who could turn on his defile when he saw me jump. I might just not know the matchup though, it might be easy if I just prance around outside of defile range and chuck spears.

the thing about kat for me is that I typically open boots to play mid and she's one of precious few matchups that force me to go red elixir, otherwise I just lose the war of attrition vs. doran's shield and the fact that she has no mana constraints. I do agree that Panth wins with red elixir though.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
May 31 2010 14:04 GMT
#5110
On May 31 2010 22:30 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 16:23 redtooth wrote:
On May 31 2010 06:22 Mogwai wrote:
pantheon vs. fiddle hasn't actually come up for me, we should play it out sometime. In theorycrafting, I actually think pantheon would just win the war of attrition vs. Fiddle because he's doing better harass with less mana, but Fiddle should be good about not just dying to his burst at level 3 with double disable. Then again, I thought that's what sivir would be like too, but in action, she's just fucked because you just get too close for her to see your jump coming in time to shield it and she's dead.

as for hard counters, I'm still yet to feel helpless vs. anyone. I think the worst matchups are Karthus and Katarina and maybe Heimer (hasn't come up in awhile). Against all of them, I think you can still compete just fine with a red elixir, but I think those and the mirror match are the only ones that really require it. The common ones like Ashe, Ez, and Annie all feel really easy to win with boots.

EDIT: forgot to mention, Janna's pretty tough. red elixir makes it a lot easier, but I'm still 100% convinced I can win it with boots if I don't fuck up.
that's odd. i feel that panth is the single hardest matchup for me as kat. karthus is a joke if you know how to play it right. fiddle and ezreal require a different playstyle but are auto-wins. good ashes and annies can be really really hard though (i seriously wish volley was easier to see/predict/block/dodge). IMO (which may or may not be right) panth is the single best mid in the game right now, followed by nidalee, annie, and kat in that order.

for some reason though, corkis are actually really hard to lane against. they're so rare so i don't really have a good perspective of how much damage they're capable of dishing out. then i get into an exchange and come out with half my health gone, wondering how the fuck he did so much damage. and as much as i hate to admit it, radjacob as tristana was a surprisingly difficult matchup at mid too. she has so much health wtf.

edit: i think panth is so far ahead of kat that if we were to match up i would probably just concede the lane to you and focus on cs. i usually just concede lanes to nidalees and red-potted panths unless i recognize their name and know that they are a baddie. annies i always contest though.

I dunno if you were talking about Panth when you mentioned karthus, but it's been awhile since I ran into a karthus, and it was basically a huge pain in the ass when I ran into one who could turn on his defile when he saw me jump. I might just not know the matchup though, it might be easy if I just prance around outside of defile range and chuck spears.

the thing about kat for me is that I typically open boots to play mid and she's one of precious few matchups that force me to go red elixir, otherwise I just lose the war of attrition vs. doran's shield and the fact that she has no mana constraints. I do agree that Panth wins with red elixir though.
that was analysis in the point of view of kat. never played pantheon, lets alone solo mid pantheon vs karthus.
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 31 2010 14:43 GMT
#5111
Ezpz and Kyzer were not available when picking began, hence why no one picked them. They'd obviously both be first rounders if available.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 31 2010 14:57 GMT
#5112
Kyzers0ze is top tier

Nerf Karthus k
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
May 31 2010 15:41 GMT
#5113
On May 31 2010 23:43 oberon wrote:
Ezpz and Kyzer were not available when picking began, hence why no one picked them. They'd obviously both be first rounders if available.
yeah ofc. although the situation required it, randomly adding those two to teams could have REALLY thrown off the balance. luckily they ended up on opposing teams so it was more balanced out i guess.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 16:44:03
May 31 2010 16:36 GMT
#5114
On May 31 2010 22:30 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 16:23 redtooth wrote:
On May 31 2010 06:22 Mogwai wrote:
pantheon vs. fiddle hasn't actually come up for me, we should play it out sometime. In theorycrafting, I actually think pantheon would just win the war of attrition vs. Fiddle because he's doing better harass with less mana, but Fiddle should be good about not just dying to his burst at level 3 with double disable. Then again, I thought that's what sivir would be like too, but in action, she's just fucked because you just get too close for her to see your jump coming in time to shield it and she's dead.

as for hard counters, I'm still yet to feel helpless vs. anyone. I think the worst matchups are Karthus and Katarina and maybe Heimer (hasn't come up in awhile). Against all of them, I think you can still compete just fine with a red elixir, but I think those and the mirror match are the only ones that really require it. The common ones like Ashe, Ez, and Annie all feel really easy to win with boots.

EDIT: forgot to mention, Janna's pretty tough. red elixir makes it a lot easier, but I'm still 100% convinced I can win it with boots if I don't fuck up.
that's odd. i feel that panth is the single hardest matchup for me as kat. karthus is a joke if you know how to play it right. fiddle and ezreal require a different playstyle but are auto-wins. good ashes and annies can be really really hard though (i seriously wish volley was easier to see/predict/block/dodge). IMO (which may or may not be right) panth is the single best mid in the game right now, followed by nidalee, annie, and kat in that order.

for some reason though, corkis are actually really hard to lane against. they're so rare so i don't really have a good perspective of how much damage they're capable of dishing out. then i get into an exchange and come out with half my health gone, wondering how the fuck he did so much damage. and as much as i hate to admit it, radjacob as tristana was a surprisingly difficult matchup at mid too. she has so much health wtf.

edit: i think panth is so far ahead of kat that if we were to match up i would probably just concede the lane to you and focus on cs. i usually just concede lanes to nidalees and red-potted panths unless i recognize their name and know that they are a baddie. annies i always contest though.

I dunno if you were talking about Panth when you mentioned karthus, but it's been awhile since I ran into a karthus, and it was basically a huge pain in the ass when I ran into one who could turn on his defile when he saw me jump. I might just not know the matchup though, it might be easy if I just prance around outside of defile range and chuck spears.


Wouldn't karthus popping his little bubble wrap outrange your spear? You can dodge one but you can't dodge all of them, and they hurt more than they look.

Btw, how does pantheon fare againts Anivia? You jump in to stun, I eat the stun and then flash frost you for free during your heartseeker and then frostbite for good damage? You also can't turret dive Anivia the way you can other squishies, even with your two shield blocks.
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
May 31 2010 16:37 GMT
#5115
The harder part of the tourney was getting people to stay for the whole thing. Optimally we need 3 games (for 4-team tourney) round robin to determine team standings, but given the length of the games, we naturally lost an average of just under a player per team per game.

I guess I'll try to make it clear that the tourney will last around 3 hours in the future, and that people will need to set aside that much time to play in it.

Right now we basically need 20 core, experienced people to participate in the tourney, as 4 teams is the optimal number for a small sized tourney as this. I think we can get that number; we had about 15 or so lvl 30 players in the first tournament, and hopefully that will expand.

I'll try to do more word-of-mouth soliciting for our channel regulars who did not participate this time around. Once we get our 20, everything else is just gravy.
Cerumo
Profile Joined December 2009
United States40 Posts
May 31 2010 16:41 GMT
#5116
I "should" be available for the next one if anyone will have me. Memorial day weekend forced me to miss this one just barley.
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 31 2010 17:00 GMT
#5117
6pm was a pretty bad start time. Do like 3pm and we can finish the tourney before dinner.
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
May 31 2010 17:03 GMT
#5118
Didn't know whether 3PM eastern was too early for west coast people (12PM noon). But yeah, I guess that's a valid point. So, tentatively we'll have it again this saturday at 3PM eastern/12PM pacific.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 31 2010 17:37 GMT
#5119
On June 01 2010 01:36 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 22:30 Mogwai wrote:
On May 31 2010 16:23 redtooth wrote:
On May 31 2010 06:22 Mogwai wrote:
pantheon vs. fiddle hasn't actually come up for me, we should play it out sometime. In theorycrafting, I actually think pantheon would just win the war of attrition vs. Fiddle because he's doing better harass with less mana, but Fiddle should be good about not just dying to his burst at level 3 with double disable. Then again, I thought that's what sivir would be like too, but in action, she's just fucked because you just get too close for her to see your jump coming in time to shield it and she's dead.

as for hard counters, I'm still yet to feel helpless vs. anyone. I think the worst matchups are Karthus and Katarina and maybe Heimer (hasn't come up in awhile). Against all of them, I think you can still compete just fine with a red elixir, but I think those and the mirror match are the only ones that really require it. The common ones like Ashe, Ez, and Annie all feel really easy to win with boots.

EDIT: forgot to mention, Janna's pretty tough. red elixir makes it a lot easier, but I'm still 100% convinced I can win it with boots if I don't fuck up.
that's odd. i feel that panth is the single hardest matchup for me as kat. karthus is a joke if you know how to play it right. fiddle and ezreal require a different playstyle but are auto-wins. good ashes and annies can be really really hard though (i seriously wish volley was easier to see/predict/block/dodge). IMO (which may or may not be right) panth is the single best mid in the game right now, followed by nidalee, annie, and kat in that order.

for some reason though, corkis are actually really hard to lane against. they're so rare so i don't really have a good perspective of how much damage they're capable of dishing out. then i get into an exchange and come out with half my health gone, wondering how the fuck he did so much damage. and as much as i hate to admit it, radjacob as tristana was a surprisingly difficult matchup at mid too. she has so much health wtf.

edit: i think panth is so far ahead of kat that if we were to match up i would probably just concede the lane to you and focus on cs. i usually just concede lanes to nidalees and red-potted panths unless i recognize their name and know that they are a baddie. annies i always contest though.

I dunno if you were talking about Panth when you mentioned karthus, but it's been awhile since I ran into a karthus, and it was basically a huge pain in the ass when I ran into one who could turn on his defile when he saw me jump. I might just not know the matchup though, it might be easy if I just prance around outside of defile range and chuck spears.


Wouldn't karthus popping his little bubble wrap outrange your spear? You can dodge one but you can't dodge all of them, and they hurt more than they look.

Btw, how does pantheon fare againts Anivia? You jump in to stun, I eat the stun and then flash frost you for free during your heartseeker and then frostbite for good damage? You also can't turret dive Anivia the way you can other squishies, even with your two shield blocks.

Pantheon completely obliterates her with essentially only spear shot. she pretty much can't use her Q because if she ever puts it on CD, you just get to combo her and so she basically just gets completely pushed off the lane until level 6, which is plenty of time for Panth to get a big enough advantage to rock her. Side lanes are a different story, she's a pain there, but solo mid, gimme that slow ass bird all day.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
May 31 2010 18:20 GMT
#5120
On June 01 2010 02:00 oberon wrote:
6pm was a pretty bad start time. Do like 3pm and we can finish the tourney before dinner.


Or make teams ahead of time so we dont waste an hour picking people =p
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