• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:25
CET 23:25
KST 07:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC23[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage17Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
Greetings.. Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion List of top players active on ShieldBattery Recommended BW Settings for Mouse and Video [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage Starcraft player cRuZa Passed away.
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4 BWCL Season 65 Announcement [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Pluto's TvP 5Marine 2Medic Push Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Can Game Data Analytics Help Players Improvements
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12829 users

League of Legends - Page 254

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 252 253 254 255 256 281 Next
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 16:03:49
May 30 2010 16:00 GMT
#5061
On May 31 2010 00:11 Soloside wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 22:21 Roflhaxx wrote:
Is there going to be another tourney any time soon?


I'll gladly set another one up with Gozey or anyone else if people are interested.

We can aim for another tourney next Saturday afternoon to evening (Eastern time). A few changes will be implemented, which will be posted soon.

I'm also thinking of making a separate thread on this forum for the tournament, instead of having the posts being buried with the other discussions with LoL.

Btw, any suggestions/comments are welcome. Also, everyone who is interested in helping to organize are welcome to message me either in game or on this forum.

It'd be really nice if we can get a few people who can stream on Livestream or something too... Can have people watch the matches over the stream, like what phr0st did for the Team RadJacob vs Hiro game.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 30 2010 16:05 GMT
#5062
I didn't play cause I'm too good for you guys and didn't want to break the tourney for everyone, lol. I mean, I'd just feel so bad about cutting LoL careers short by making people quit after getting raped by my pantheon.

seriously though, I'm just usually busy with non-vidjo games on weekends. seeing my family this weekend, going to jamaica for the next two... And when I am gaming for weekends, it's usually smash tournaments and then I'll LoL afterwards.

whoever asked for some solo mid 1v1s though, just PM SmashGizmo the next time you see me on and I'll solo mid 1v1 with Pantheon whenever. I'd love to see someone expose some weaknesses in my solomid game because I've just been abusive at it recently and I don't feel like I'm getting any better any more.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
May 30 2010 17:11 GMT
#5063
i should try soraka mid vs you sometime mog lol
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 30 2010 20:37 GMT
#5064
matchup's tricky but perfectly doable. her silence is gay.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 30 2010 20:54 GMT
#5065
On May 31 2010 05:37 Mogwai wrote:
matchup's tricky but perfectly doable. her silence is gay.


Solo mid is one matchup where I'd feel pretty good with Fiddle vs. Pantheon. Are there any champs you consider a hard counter?
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
May 30 2010 21:04 GMT
#5066
My only complaint is that blind pick is really silly

exclusive draft imo
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 21:31:22
May 30 2010 21:22 GMT
#5067
pantheon vs. fiddle hasn't actually come up for me, we should play it out sometime. In theorycrafting, I actually think pantheon would just win the war of attrition vs. Fiddle because he's doing better harass with less mana, but Fiddle should be good about not just dying to his burst at level 3 with double disable. Then again, I thought that's what sivir would be like too, but in action, she's just fucked because you just get too close for her to see your jump coming in time to shield it and she's dead.

as for hard counters, I'm still yet to feel helpless vs. anyone. I think the worst matchups are Karthus and Katarina and maybe Heimer (hasn't come up in awhile). Against all of them, I think you can still compete just fine with a red elixir, but I think those and the mirror match are the only ones that really require it. The common ones like Ashe, Ez, and Annie all feel really easy to win with boots.

EDIT: forgot to mention, Janna's pretty tough. red elixir makes it a lot easier, but I'm still 100% convinced I can win it with boots if I don't fuck up.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 30 2010 22:18 GMT
#5068
Fortitude Pantheon is a pretty hard-counter to him when he opens Boots first expecting an Ashe.

o/
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 30 2010 22:22 GMT
#5069
yea, but if you're as awesome as me, you can trick them into tower diving with your defensive masteries, then stun them and get fb, lawl.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 30 2010 22:24 GMT
#5070
I don't know if that's you being awesome or them being crappy, because if I remember correctly he ended 2-7 or something. Hallmark of a great Pantheon.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 30 2010 22:27 GMT
#5071
if you die first as Pantheon, you'll probably end up doing more harm than good by continuing to play.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 30 2010 22:30 GMT
#5072
Hahah, well in fairness he went 2-1 with a DK on you and WRAW and caught up, but he didn't capitalize cause he sucked, that's all.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 22:33:56
May 30 2010 22:33 GMT
#5073
well, he was too far back as of that fb. he only managed to stay relevant for the next 10 minutes by pumping elixirs, but this left him with like, SotO (or some other mid level AD item, can't remember which exactly) + boots when I had SotO, boots, Brutalizer and BF Sword. I dunno, that DK didn't get him back in the game IMO cause he channeled so much money into the temporary means to make it possible. his item build was still really far behind mine after it, even if he was 2-1 to my 1-1 at that one moment in time (I was up a long sword and boots at that point).
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 30 2010 23:16 GMT
#5074
On May 30 2010 11:19 ichangedmyname wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 11:16 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Wow, just had a game where there were 3 kills after 35 minutes. Guess I'm starting to get into higher elo?


Nope. You are just playing with idiots.

Missed this one, hopefully I will be around for the next one.

Actually no, that's how a lot of the games go when I 5 man premade with good players. You don't know the team comp or the lane matchups so how can you say he's playing with idiots?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 30 2010 23:29 GMT
#5075
On May 31 2010 06:22 Mogwai wrote:
pantheon vs. fiddle hasn't actually come up for me, we should play it out sometime. In theorycrafting, I actually think pantheon would just win the war of attrition vs. Fiddle because he's doing better harass with less mana, but Fiddle should be good about not just dying to his burst at level 3 with double disable. Then again, I thought that's what sivir would be like too, but in action, she's just fucked because you just get too close for her to see your jump coming in time to shield it and she's dead.

as for hard counters, I'm still yet to feel helpless vs. anyone. I think the worst matchups are Karthus and Katarina and maybe Heimer (hasn't come up in awhile). Against all of them, I think you can still compete just fine with a red elixir, but I think those and the mirror match are the only ones that really require it. The common ones like Ashe, Ez, and Annie all feel really easy to win with boots.

EDIT: forgot to mention, Janna's pretty tough. red elixir makes it a lot easier, but I'm still 100% convinced I can win it with boots if I don't fuck up.


I don't like to mid with Fiddle, because he's so vulnerable to so many heros. That said, he should be pretty solid against melee bursters (Panth, Kat) in theory, since he can throw a fear on them, then drain as they slowly run away.

Sivir hates melee bursters. Jump/shunpo are way too fast to shield, and she just gets pushed out of lane. She likes AP harassers -- Karthus is a special favorite, as lay waste can be shielded, he has trouble dodging BB, and his ult can be shielded as well. Plus, Sivir wins the 1v1 auto-attack fight with him.

Heimer is an incredible pain mid unless you outrange his turrets, and then he's cake. Neither of my mains outrange his turrets. I actually think Heimer is far more playable in a drafted game, since you can last-pick him against teams with no counter, then push ultra hard and roll them. In blind pick, though, he's kinda garbage, because you'll see Tristanas, Mordes, and other counters too often.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 30 2010 23:53 GMT
#5076
Wow so many server problems can't even log in. Before I logged out no one in liquidparty was in game and I couldn't start one (que's were too long).

Is the server down for any one?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
sleeepy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada777 Posts
May 30 2010 23:55 GMT
#5077
Yeah I can't get in either. Logging in for 2 minutes and then it crashes.
Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
May 30 2010 23:57 GMT
#5078
On May 31 2010 06:04 Phrost wrote:
My only complaint is that blind pick is really silly

exclusive draft imo

pick isnt blind when you got stream on! :D
A game where the first thing you do is scout with a “worker”. Does that make any sense? Who scouts with a “worker”? That’s like sending out the janitor to perform recon, what general would do that? Retarded game.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 31 2010 00:09 GMT
#5079
On May 31 2010 08:57 Roflhaxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 06:04 Phrost wrote:
My only complaint is that blind pick is really silly

exclusive draft imo

pick isnt blind when you got stream on! :D


Just to be clear, our (RadJacob's) team chose champions before the stream was up, and I made sure everyone turned it off (not even on in the background) before game.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 31 2010 00:11 GMT
#5080
No, you obviously cheated in a community run tournament with no prize money.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Prev 1 252 253 254 255 256 281 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 35m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 143
EmSc Tv 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Barracks 36
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm100
Counter-Strike
zeus1143
Super Smash Bros
PPMD14
Other Games
gofns5906
tarik_tv5179
summit1g3156
Grubby3030
shahzam402
Liquid`Hasu381
PiGStarcraft179
C9.Mang0136
Mew2King54
Railgan16
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV189
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 22
EmSc2Tv 22
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 29
• Adnapsc2 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie964
• Shiphtur455
Upcoming Events
OSC
35m
ArT vs MindelVK
MiniZergUA vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Ultimate Battle
13h 35m
OSC
15h 35m
OSC
1d 1h
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
1d 11h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 13h
ByuN vs SHIN
MaxPax vs Solar
Clem vs TBD
herO vs TBD
Lambo vs TBD
Rogue vs TBD
IPSL
1d 18h
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
BSL
1d 21h
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
2 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-11
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.