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On May 28 2010 12:18 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 12:12 HeavOnEarth wrote:
you're not doing 500 damage a second. jax will just counterstrike+stun you. 30% miss, meaning jax is hitting with 70%. 70%x70%=49% reduction +30% means jax is doing 21% of his damage. Now if I wanted to hard counter jax even more I could drop a sunfire for thornmail. How fast can you burn through 4000 hp? 400 of that isn't dodgable, so I could always just not attack and see who wins. holy fuck you might be the most delusional individual in this thread.
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I would love to play more but I need to upgrade my home internet before I can. Hopefully i'll be back on with you guys shortly.
Also at SnK-Arcbound: yeah you really need to work on your math.
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On May 28 2010 12:22 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 12:18 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On May 28 2010 12:12 HeavOnEarth wrote:
you're not doing 500 damage a second. jax will just counterstrike+stun you. 30% miss, meaning jax is hitting with 70%. 70%x70%=49% reduction +30% means jax is doing 21% of his damage. Now if I wanted to hard counter jax even more I could drop a sunfire for thornmail. How fast can you burn through 4000 hp? 400 of that isn't dodgable, so I could always just not attack and see who wins. holy fuck you might be the most delusional individual in this thread.
We have two people saying sunfire shaco works on TT, with mathematical values, and 3 people saying no way you suck.
C'mon, show me the math. Would you like me to explain in simple terms why jax is only doing 21% damage?
On May 28 2010 12:26 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
I would love to play more but I need to upgrade my home internet before I can. Hopefully i'll be back on with you guys shortly.
Also at SnK-Arcbound: yeah you really need to work on your math.
Ok, I'll explain it to you.
30% miss means jax would only do 70% of his damage. Since you can't mitigate damage that doesn't hit, we multiple that .7(the stuff that hits)x.7(reduction) =.49. We add those together to arrive at 79% miss or damage reduction. Of jax's 100% we subtract miss and mitigation to arrive at 21%.
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I'm up for the tourney.
lepshis - gragas, mundo, pantheon
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Sunfire Shaco Build
6 [capes] x 40 [damage per second] = 240 [damage per second]
2 [shacos] x 240 [damage] = 480 [damage per second]
Total Cost: 15060 Gold
Super Viable AD DPS Annie
Last Whisper + Infinity Edge + Black Cleaver + Madreds Bloodrazor + Bloodthirster
Total DPS = 641.245 [damage per second]
Total Cost: 16110 Gold
480 < 641.245
my AD annie rapes the shit out of your shaco.
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On May 28 2010 13:20 redtooth wrote:Sunfire Shaco Build6 [capes] x 40 [damage per second] = 240 [damage per second] 2 [shacos] x 240 [damage] = 480 [damage per second]Total Cost: 15060 GoldSuper Viable AD DPS AnnieLast Whisper + Infinity Edge + Black Cleaver + Madreds Bloodrazor + Bloodthirster Total DPS = 641.245 [damage per second]Total Cost: 16110 Gold480 < 641.245my AD annie rapes the shit out of your shaco.
And that isn't jax. So you just showed that jax doesn't counter shaco, want a cookie?
You also ignore damage reduction, come back and try again.
641.245x.21=134.66145
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On May 28 2010 12:27 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
30% miss means jax would only do 70% of his damage. Since you can't mitigate damage that doesn't hit, we multiple that .7(the stuff that hits)x.7(reduction) =.49. We add those together to arrive at 79% miss or damage reduction. Of jax's 100% we subtract miss and mitigation to arrive at 21%.
What the hell? Where does the 21% come from?
.7 (hit chance) x .7 (30% reduction) = .49 ... period. You can't count the miss chance twice lol.
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On May 28 2010 13:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:20 redtooth wrote:Sunfire Shaco Build6 [capes] x 40 [damage per second] = 240 [damage per second] 2 [shacos] x 240 [damage] = 480 [damage per second]Total Cost: 15060 GoldSuper Viable AD DPS AnnieLast Whisper + Infinity Edge + Black Cleaver + Madreds Bloodrazor + Bloodthirster Total DPS = 641.245 [damage per second]Total Cost: 16110 Gold480 < 641.245my AD annie rapes the shit out of your shaco. And that isn't jax. So you just showed that jax doesn't counter shaco, want a cookie? You also ignore damage reduction, come back and try again. who the fuck cares about jax? this is AD ANNIE we're talking about here. stop trying to dodge the subject.
my madreds is gonna rape the shit out of youre HP stacking, no mRes shaco. last whisper+armorPen runes are gonna fucking cut your armor in half. then i'm going to shield myself so your sunfires don't do shit and throw a fucking bear at you. YOU dEAD bOI!!!! YOU DEAD.
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On May 28 2010 13:37 crate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 12:27 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
30% miss means jax would only do 70% of his damage. Since you can't mitigate damage that doesn't hit, we multiple that .7(the stuff that hits)x.7(reduction) =.49. We add those together to arrive at 79% miss or damage reduction. Of jax's 100% we subtract miss and mitigation to arrive at 21%. What the hell? Where does the 21% come from? .7 (hit chance) x .7 (30% reduction) = .49 ... period. You can't count the miss chance twice lol.
Then ignoring the miss .7 x 1 =.7 reduction, meaning jax does 30% of his damage. So I guess missing attacks ADDS to your dps. Learn how to multiply.
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you're right. my build was flawed. i remade it. it has SotD now so your dodge aint got shit.
added runes and masteries too. new stat is 685.318 damage per second. that's before accounting for the extra SotD damage (essentially +25 magic damage) + the SHITTON of damage madreds is going to do against an HP stacker.
i'll have 40% armor penetration + 35.37 flat (from items + masteries + runes) + 30 (SotD active) + 60 (from Cleaver stacks). that's 40% + 125.37 armor penetration, almost nullifying most of your armor. btw armor doesn't effect Madreds and SotD damage. and lets not forget tibbers.
AD ANNIE > sunfire shaco
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On May 28 2010 13:41 redtooth wrote:
my madreds is gonna rape the shit out of youre HP stacking, no mRes shaco. last whisper+armorPen runes are gonna fucking cut your armor in half. then i'm going to shield myself so your sunfires don't do shit and throw a fucking bear at you. YOU dEAD bOI!!!! YOU DEAD.
0 magic reduction? I have 107 if my math is correct. You need to learn how to read.
On May 28 2010 13:47 redtooth wrote:you're right. my build was flawed. i remade it. it has SotD now so your dodge aint got shit. added runes and masteries too. new stat is 685.318 damage per second. that's before accounting for the extra SotD damage (essentially +25 magic damage) + the SHITTON of damage madreds is going to do against an HP stacker. i'll have 40% armor penetration + 35.37 flat (from items + masteries + runes) + 30 (SotD active) + 60 (from Cleaver stacks). that's 40% + 125.37 armor penetration, almost nullifying most of your armor. btw armor doesn't effect Madreds and SotD damage. and lets not forget tibbers. AD ANNIE > sunfire shaco
30% miss means 479.7226. How much HP does annie have? Think she can survive 10 seconds?
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On May 28 2010 13:49 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:41 redtooth wrote:
my madreds is gonna rape the shit out of youre HP stacking, no mRes shaco. last whisper+armorPen runes are gonna fucking cut your armor in half. then i'm going to shield myself so your sunfires don't do shit and throw a fucking bear at you. YOU dEAD bOI!!!! YOU DEAD. 0 magic reduction? I have 107 if my math is correct. You need to learn how to read. you need to learn when you're argument is retarded
edit: also, you really shouldn't be arguing retarded shit when you show a clear misunderstanding for what SotD does in the above post.
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On May 28 2010 13:51 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:49 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On May 28 2010 13:41 redtooth wrote:
my madreds is gonna rape the shit out of youre HP stacking, no mRes shaco. last whisper+armorPen runes are gonna fucking cut your armor in half. then i'm going to shield myself so your sunfires don't do shit and throw a fucking bear at you. YOU dEAD bOI!!!! YOU DEAD. 0 magic reduction? I have 107 if my math is correct. You need to learn how to read. you need to learn when you're argument is retarded
Annie dies in 3 seconds, she can't even live long enough to kill me.
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On May 28 2010 13:53 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:51 redtooth wrote:On May 28 2010 13:49 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On May 28 2010 13:41 redtooth wrote:
my madreds is gonna rape the shit out of youre HP stacking, no mRes shaco. last whisper+armorPen runes are gonna fucking cut your armor in half. then i'm going to shield myself so your sunfires don't do shit and throw a fucking bear at you. YOU dEAD bOI!!!! YOU DEAD. 0 magic reduction? I have 107 if my math is correct. You need to learn how to read. you need to learn when you're argument is retarded Annie dies in 3 seconds, she can't even live long enough to kill me. i'm quoting you so that you can reflect on your actions tomorrow.
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On May 28 2010 13:55 redtooth wrote:
i'm quoting you so that you can reflect on your actions tomorrow.
Two people saying sunfire shaco is good. Three people who can't add or multiply saying he's bad. I think we know who wins.
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On May 28 2010 13:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:37 crate wrote:On May 28 2010 12:27 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
30% miss means jax would only do 70% of his damage. Since you can't mitigate damage that doesn't hit, we multiple that .7(the stuff that hits)x.7(reduction) =.49. We add those together to arrive at 79% miss or damage reduction. Of jax's 100% we subtract miss and mitigation to arrive at 21%. What the hell? Where does the 21% come from? .7 (hit chance) x .7 (30% reduction) = .49 ... period. You can't count the miss chance twice lol. Then ignoring the miss .7 x 1 =.7 reduction, meaning jax does 30% of his damage. So I guess missing attacks ADDS to your dps. Learn how to multiply.
It's 51% reduction in my post, sorry I didn't clarify. 49% damage.
I still have no idea where you could possibly get 21% from.
edit: By the way I've played like 10 games of LoL so I'm certainly not saying anything other than that you have bad math. I have no idea about sunfire Shaco.
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On May 28 2010 13:57 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:55 redtooth wrote:
i'm quoting you so that you can reflect on your actions tomorrow. Two people saying sunfire shaco is good. Three people who can't add or multiply saying he's bad. I think we know who wins. oh gawd. this has to be quoted too.
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Wow haven't been in here for awhile wtf happened lol
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On May 28 2010 13:58 crate wrote:
It's 51% reduction in my post, sorry I didn't clarify. 49% damage.
I still have no idea where you could possibly get 21% from.
70% of hits attack hits. This means shaco already has 30% mitigation.
Since damage mitigation only works against attacks that hit, we multiply what hits by the reduction. .7x.7=.49 of ALL of his damage. No you add the 30% of all of his damage, plus the 49% to get your 79% total mitigation.
Doing it the OTHER way, 70% mitigation vs 100% of his damage means jax is doing 30% of his damage (1-.7=.3). We then take the 30% (again, damage he is doing, just like in the previous) and multiply it by 30% to arrive at 9%, added to the 70 again brings us to 79% mitigation.
What are doing by using this method is ignoring overlap. If they were additive shaco would have 100% mitigation, which obviously isn't true. You multiply this way to ignore the overlap (misses can't be mitigation by 70%, and are instead mitigated at a 100% value). You can't have 70% straight damage mitigation and then arrive at a number lower than 70%.
edit: I'll even add it a third way, because you are going backwards in a step when multiplying. You get the .7x.7=.49, but then you are subracting that from the original 100%, which doesn't exist anymore. You need to subract the .49 from the .7 to arrive at your final number. You should realize that if shaco dodges 30% of jaxs attacks, that 70% mitigation can't only be worth 19% mitigation.
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