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On May 26 2010 13:44 InsideTheBox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2010 13:35 redtooth wrote:
also i boast that i'm high elo and shit. but i just figured out 5 minutes ago that flash goes to where your cursor is, not where your hero is facing. GEE GEE. LOL do you usually take ghost over flash or did you just immediately flash after turning your hero around? i mean it would work to engage shit because my mouse would be in the general direction. but really i NEVER could flash over the wall and always felt it was such a hard technique. i would right click right in front of the wall (to walk towards it and face it) and flash right back to my mouse. zzzzz. this changes things for me.
and i only recently started using flash so yeah. goddamit i am bad.
edit: i literally made a practice game to go practice wall jumping with flash. i found the thinnest wall, did my old technique and failed again. so i looked up youtube videos and couldn't find any tutorials. then i read the description and did a /facepalm. god. this would have saved me sooo many times.
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lol, I like how your w/l is absurdly good and you're just learning this hahahaha. i had the same issue at first and I think that's cause it's how dagger worked in DotA... (I think? is this right?) But I figured it out by like, level 15.
in other news, I said it in liquid party, but I'll say it again for prosperity...
47-3-16 in my last 3 games with pantheon.
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wow, you kids are bad.
I facepalmed when MrGrimm told me the same thing. Don't you guys ever make practice games just to find out what the abilities actually do? 
I seriously laugh or cry (depending on if the player is on my team or not) when some guy tries to flash across the wall during a Dragon gank and fails to get over to the other side.
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On May 26 2010 13:35 redtooth wrote:
15% mpen is a joke. usually its a lot less then you think.
for example: tristana/ashe/ezreal/twitch/etc (most of the squishy dangerous people you should be targeting) have base MR of 30 at lvl 18. without any other MR item (common since they build other shit) they have i think 22% magic dmg reduc. so that 1 point in 15% mpen reduces the dmg reduc from 22% to 19%. do you really want to go out of your way for 3% increase damage to ki strike and sunfire?
also i boast that i'm high elo and shit. but i just figured out 5 minutes ago that flash goes to where your cursor is, not where your hero is facing. GEE GEE.
Way to use the absolute lowest example possible to back up your point. I get it, you want to hurt the squishy DPS, but that's not always the case and the 15% pen is actually more than a 3.3% increase in a lot of cases.
And all I was saying 21 in utility on Shen is retarded. The exp bonus is great for jungling but really all that is needed is 9.
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well thats probably because they werent used to the flash nerf, or something. =(
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your moms.
i'm good at this game.
gozey said so.
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On May 26 2010 14:09 Mogwai wrote:
lol, I like how your w/l is absurdly good and you're just learning this hahahaha. i had the same issue at first and I think that's cause it's how dagger worked in DotA... (I think? is this right?) But I figured it out by like, level 15.
in other news, I said it in liquid party, but I'll say it again for prosperity...
47-3-16 in my last 3 games with pantheon. also, i'm not gonna lie: i have a very bad understanding of this game, let alone SR. i can play my heroes well. i think i understand ingame strategy well (like when to b, when to dragon/buffs/baron, etc). but even today i went to Southlight for information on wtf Morgana is supposed to be doing. pro knowledge i have not.
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I don't think I have pro knowledge either but I'm pretty analytical and I tend to have a pretty decent structure of perspectives on heroes. I'm not always right, though. I'd say 80-90% right. Like I thought Pantheon was terrible - granted that was back when I didn't know HS did 2x damage to champs.
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On May 26 2010 14:47 Southlight wrote:
I don't think I have pro knowledge either but I'm pretty analytical and I tend to have a pretty decent structure of perspectives on heroes. I'm not always right, though. I'd say 80-90% right. Like I thought Pantheon was terrible - granted that was back when I didn't know HS did 2x damage to champs. youre wrong about udyr.
>: (
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I played Udyr for so long that I'm fairly confident I'm not, but I could be wrong I think any games you've seen where Udyr dominated probably would have looked the same if you replaced Udyr with WW, if not even worse.
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I think ur wrong about AD Ez being better than AP EZ
lets all jump on the "Southlight is WRONG!" bandwagon! 
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You're wrong about Flash winning the MSL!
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@ Pokey : Yeah I was wrong, some AD Ez I've seen dominated by I think they may have dominated crappy solo mids. Ilump was three-shotting people with a really fast Sheen, though, so I dunno.
@ Chrispy : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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On May 26 2010 14:15 Chrispy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2010 13:35 redtooth wrote:
15% mpen is a joke. usually its a lot less then you think.
for example: tristana/ashe/ezreal/twitch/etc (most of the squishy dangerous people you should be targeting) have base MR of 30 at lvl 18. without any other MR item (common since they build other shit) they have i think 22% magic dmg reduc. so that 1 point in 15% mpen reduces the dmg reduc from 22% to 19%. do you really want to go out of your way for 3% increase damage to ki strike and sunfire?
also i boast that i'm high elo and shit. but i just figured out 5 minutes ago that flash goes to where your cursor is, not where your hero is facing. GEE GEE. Way to use the absolute lowest example possible to back up your point. I get it, you want to hurt the squishy DPS, but that's not always the case and the 15% pen is actually more than a 3.3% increase in a lot of cases. And all I was saying 21 in utility on Shen is retarded. The exp bonus is great for jungling but really all that is needed is 9.
If Shen is going to be doing any significant damage at all, it'll be to the squishy champs. They're the ones you'll be taunting, they're the ones who you'll be hurting with sunfire capes.
21 utility is very good if you consider what you're getting overall:
- 10% less time spent dead
- 5% more exp
- better ghost
- 30% longer neutral buff duration (awesome)
- a little more gold via greed (usually leads to being able to go back and shop for something like madreds 1 creep camp earlier)
- 6% cooldown reduction
- 3% movement speed
- 15% less recharge time on summoner spells
I almost never put 21 points into offense except when I am using crit-based champs or if I wanted to use Rally
I only use 21 points in defense when I want cleanse (which is often) or fortify
Any other time, 21-utility is by far the best. .
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On May 26 2010 15:02 Chrispy wrote:
You're wrong about Flash winning the MSL!
As long as JD won't go Kwanro style then Flash will win, (on Fighting Spirit atleast).
And I'd like to know ya Panth build Southlight, since I played him once at low Elo but I doubt that experience will do me any good >_>
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On May 26 2010 16:10 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2010 15:02 Chrispy wrote:
You're wrong about Flash winning the MSL! As long as JD won't go Kwanro style then Flash will win, (on Fighting Spirit atleast). And I'd like to know ya Panth build Southlight, since I played him once at low Elo but I doubt that experience will do me any good >_>
He doesnt build panth, he builds janna and lets Smash do his thing on panth
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Mogwai == SmashGizmo (Panth)
Southlight == Utahime (Various)
oberon == Pnaxighn (Fiddle/Sivir)
Redtooth == WRAWRAWRAWRAWRA (I actually don't know his main(s)...?)
HeavOnEarth == EzPzLmnSqz (and sometimes B12ad) (Annie/Jax)
...for those who don't know.
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