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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 16 2010 01:20 GMT
#4181
Bah. They break things on a Saturday night? Lame.
radmax86
Profile Joined September 2004
United States437 Posts
May 16 2010 01:24 GMT
#4182
Lots of server issues lately, I wonder if an influx of HoN players has anything to do with it...
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-16 01:34:08
May 16 2010 01:28 GMT
#4183
Could be. Or the latest patch could have busted things again. I think there have been all of about 2 patches that have simply worked...

Edit: can get online no problem using cheat code. Weird.
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
May 16 2010 01:40 GMT
#4184
Servers online
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 16 2010 02:19 GMT
#4185
Server online but I keep disconnecting. It's ridiculous how bad their server has been the past week. I might even play sc2 if this keeps up.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
May 16 2010 04:19 GMT
#4186
Got into a practice game, since queue was trash. It was actually pretty good, since lots of people who would normally be queuing were in practice.
Then our 6-2 first blood double kill solo bot Annie disconnected.
I was Gangplank, laned with a first-time Singed who went boots no pots first thing. He ended with the least creepkills of anyone. Kept raging about how "Singed sucks he has like 1 attack his slow is so gay". Their Jax/Sion kept towerdiving to finish him off, and I Parrrleyed one or the other for a 7/0/2 record (with only 30 secs out of lane) by 15 minutes. Kill-trading is great when it's a craptacular Singed dying to feed a mediocre Jax, dying to feed a Pirate.
I got Brutalizer before IE and it's a lot better. Avarice Blade is definitely worth it on pirate, too, despite how well he already farms - it's cheap critchance and builds Ghostblade.
Anyways, our Jungle Warwick was the only other competent person on our team (our solomid teemo was just stupid most of the time). We managed to ace them 3 times, but usually just Warwick and I were left (they focused Mr. Singed & Mr. Teemo since both were actually squishier than me) and we had just pushed to their inhibitor when the 1/10/18 Singed got bored and disconnected too.
3v5 is not really winnable without a fed Jax or Veigar or someone who can safely pick people off or backdoor or something. We had WW (13/6?) GP (15/2) Teemo (3/8?). One stun. One blind. One squishy rapemachine who could take any two people on their team by himself, even Warwick and Sion. But they were smart and stayed grouped and pushed. Between ult and Parrrley I could usually snipe or at least force away one or two of them but it took the entire team to do that and then we had to retreat or we got wiped. Oh well.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
May 16 2010 11:32 GMT
#4187
You should run both SotO and Mejai's in practice games as soon as you realize you're rolling face in the laning phase. Good times and really cheap for the stats you get.
A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isnt' there. -Charles Darwin
Malderon
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands136 Posts
May 16 2010 15:25 GMT
#4188
On May 16 2010 20:32 InsideTheBox wrote:
You should run both SotO and Mejai's in practice games as soon as you realize you're rolling face in the laning phase. Good times and really cheap for the stats you get.


Good point, but don't forget about good old Leviathan. Leviathan makes Mundo happy Mundo 'cause half of more is more sadism heal for Mundo.

Now, I have a question regarding a mid matchup for Cho'Gath:

Last night, I got beaten in midlane by a Teemo as Cho'Gath, which I found a bit emberassing. The point was, the little bugger had Ignite and Exhaust as summoner spells, which combined with his Blinding dart, make for a nasty combo. He was also not too bad at dodging ruptures, so not all of those landed. He could keep me blinded for six to seven seconds with dart/exhaust, and though I had cleanse, I'd rather save that for when he moves in for the kill with ignite.

So what should one do, hide behind minions untill the blind wears off, and then before he can dart again, rupture him, followed up by some vorpal auto attacks? I think that would be best, since if one only ruptures, he can do at least as much damage with his poison, which also never misses.

Or, as distilled from the MFing thread (scroll down a bit for the relevant posts), simply practise aiming one's rupture with the help of the tricks mentioned, and then at 6, rupture+feast for either a kill or forcing him to withdraw? Though as also stated, Teleport will pretty much negate the fact that he had to withdraw to heal, but the Teemo I faced didn't have Teleport.

Or is Teemo hard enough on Cho in general to call for a laneswitch?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-16 15:54:39
May 16 2010 15:50 GMT
#4189
If you play against a good teemo you're going to be playing back a lot, because his toxic shot does a lot of damage over time. Basically you sit back and strictly last hit, saving ruptures for killing creeps and in general preserving your HP. If you took smite/cleanse, like you should have, it makes farming a lot easier, because you're at least guaranteed the siege creep every wave. The cooldown on cleanse is a lot shorter than the cooldown on ignite or exhaust with the improved skill (you're taking 9/21/0, right?) and you opened regen pendant so you should be fine. Just don't push your wave unless he's out of mana, which should happen pretty fast if he's being aggressive with his blinds. The great thing about Cho is that he can clear a huge creep wave really fast and it will actually regenerate his HP/MP quite a bit, so the trick to playing against teemo is making him overextend and then take creep aggro after you wipe all of the creeps. If the teemo is good at dodging it's tough to hit him with rupture, but everyone will slip up if you aim well. You'll eventually get good at disguising your rupture to make it look like a regular attack, and canceled auto-attacks look just like your rupture animation. Cleanse any time you're afflicted by anything under half hp as a general rule, you don't want to get low on HP because it's hard to regenerate it enough to do anything at that point. If you keep your HP high and use rupture to cover you while you last hit you should be fine. Every time your wave pushes and the wraiths are up you should rupture, hit a small one, and then hit a big one. If you're a high enough level or have an amplifying tome/better it should kill the wraiths before they can attack you, but even if it doesn't just keep auto-attacking the big one and they should all go down and provide you with a nice bit of HP regen. Against teemo it's pretty important to get your feast going early if you don't think he'll slip up, and after you've got 6 stacks you need to get an oracles or a vision ward for shrooms. If he's really wrecking you, switch, but after you get used to laning against someone who outputs a lot of damage you get good at farming at your tower. Ask for a gank, if someone can stun teemo, you can rupture-scream-feast him down. Cho is great for keeping a stun going, because rupture's range is huge, even after the nerf, and when they're immobile you can't really miss and they're easy to predict even if the stun isn't long. Get him at level 11 when you put your second point into feast, you hit for 550~ around that time and he usually won't know the exact damage you can do--with a rupture and a scream you can easily take him down from 3/4 HP.

Really it just comes down to practicing, he's pretty easy to deal with if you can disguise your ruptures with auto-attack timings. Playing against Teemo will get you good at doing the rupture sandwich where you put a rupture behind him when he's close and attacking creeps and run towards him at the same time. Usually they're bluffing but if they seem committed you need to evaluate the situation to see if you can kill them. If they get hit by the rupture they will usually run, but don't chase near the tower or to where he can counter-chase you unless you can kill. If they don't run into the rupture, hit them if you can and get out. Remember their tendency and put the rupture just close enough to hit them but still behind them next time and do the same thing.

TL;DR:
Practice rupture
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
May 16 2010 16:11 GMT
#4190
how good is akali in SR?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 16 2010 16:40 GMT
#4191
not very... I dunno, the most common comparison is that she's like a Kat that does better 1v1 and worse in team fights and doesn't counter healing. she's still aight I guess, but it's not a niche I frequently want filled.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 16 2010 17:08 GMT
#4192
How do you team lane vs some one and Zilean as a melee? (Specifically Shen) His short cooldown on the bombs force us to play safe and hug tower.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 16 2010 17:12 GMT
#4193
On May 17 2010 02:08 HazMat wrote:
How do you team lane vs some one and Zilean as a melee? (Specifically Shen) His short cooldown on the bombs force us to play safe and hug tower.


Bring a harass-immune champ (basically someone with life-steal, aka a jungler). Fiddle, Nasus, WW, Nunu, etc. can all heal from his bombs if you play carefully, and then he's just trading mana for...nothing.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 16 2010 18:04 GMT
#4194
But what if he's targeting me with the bombs?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 16 2010 18:06 GMT
#4195
On May 17 2010 03:04 HazMat wrote:
But what if he's targeting me with the bombs?


Well, that's an issue. Basically, your partner (who can heal) has to be annoying enough to force themselves as the target. You have to spend a lot of time in the bushes. If you're Shen, you can use your sword throwing thing both to farm (last hit), and to heal (use it on a full big creep, then whack them to heal. Especially good when you're in tower range and can thus sit there).
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
May 16 2010 19:32 GMT
#4196
Basically, the issue with Zilean is if harassing you is useless HE is useless. So, some people you can destroy and some people you will do nothing against. Trade lanes against him if you're squishy/melee/etc. and without a good heal. If you can, get a Soraka in your lane. Soraka >>> Zilean. Failing the above, just kill him. A lot of Zileans get really overaggressive against low-health people, so watch how much damage a bomb can do and be careful and wait. Some people have an easier time against Zil than others - Morgana, Soraka, Shen, Janna... anyone with a shield or heal.

Zilean versus Zilean is the most entertaining mid matchup I have ever played.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 16 2010 19:43 GMT
#4197
On May 17 2010 04:32 Tooplark wrote:
Basically, the issue with Zilean is if harassing you is useless HE is useless. So, some people you can destroy and some people you will do nothing against. Trade lanes against him if you're squishy/melee/etc. and without a good heal. If you can, get a Soraka in your lane. Soraka >>> Zilean. Failing the above, just kill him. A lot of Zileans get really overaggressive against low-health people, so watch how much damage a bomb can do and be careful and wait. Some people have an easier time against Zil than others - Morgana, Soraka, Shen, Janna... anyone with a shield or heal.

Zilean versus Zilean is the most entertaining mid matchup I have ever played.


That's the other thing -- if you have a Zilean in your lane...get a Zilean in your lane. Such a weird, obscure matchup.
FlameSworD
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
May 16 2010 19:57 GMT
#4198
yes soraka >>> zildean harass
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 16 2010 20:03 GMT
#4199
Zilean > Zilean harass :p
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CompX
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada216 Posts
May 16 2010 21:48 GMT
#4200
yo guys! added me, my name there is: Owatt
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