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StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
May 16 2010 22:16 GMT
#4201
On May 17 2010 02:08 HazMat wrote:
How do you team lane vs some one and Zilean as a melee? (Specifically Shen) His short cooldown on the bombs force us to play safe and hug tower.


If you are playing as shen and zilean is bombing you level up your feint a lot, if you turn it on right before the bomb explodes you can negate almost all of the damage(completely at some levels) making him waste mana
You can't milk those!
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 16 2010 22:59 GMT
#4202
On May 17 2010 07:16 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 02:08 HazMat wrote:
How do you team lane vs some one and Zilean as a melee? (Specifically Shen) His short cooldown on the bombs force us to play safe and hug tower.


If you are playing as shen and zilean is bombing you level up your feint a lot, if you turn it on right before the bomb explodes you can negate almost all of the damage(completely at some levels) making him waste mana


Is this true post-nerf as well?
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
May 16 2010 23:06 GMT
#4203
On May 17 2010 07:59 oberon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 07:16 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On May 17 2010 02:08 HazMat wrote:
How do you team lane vs some one and Zilean as a melee? (Specifically Shen) His short cooldown on the bombs force us to play safe and hug tower.


If you are playing as shen and zilean is bombing you level up your feint a lot, if you turn it on right before the bomb explodes you can negate almost all of the damage(completely at some levels) making him waste mana


Is this true post-nerf as well?

This was based off me laning as shen against a zilean 2 days ago, if he used bomb-rewind-bomb you could only block one of the bombs, however taking out half of his damage helps a lot, and since you have your Vorpal(Q) to heal with its not too much of a problem

I usually start with regrowth pendant on shen for the lane staying power, because regrowth+ his heal is really cheap, although i dont end up building the regrowth into anything later so its a dead end item
You can't milk those!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 16 2010 23:28 GMT
#4204
I get dorans shield but I'm not a huge fan of it. I tried ruby crystal so that I can upgrade to leviathan but I find stacking sunfire capes to be better.
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 17 2010 00:01 GMT
#4205
On May 17 2010 08:06 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 07:59 oberon wrote:
On May 17 2010 07:16 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On May 17 2010 02:08 HazMat wrote:
How do you team lane vs some one and Zilean as a melee? (Specifically Shen) His short cooldown on the bombs force us to play safe and hug tower.


If you are playing as shen and zilean is bombing you level up your feint a lot, if you turn it on right before the bomb explodes you can negate almost all of the damage(completely at some levels) making him waste mana


Is this true post-nerf as well?

This was based off me laning as shen against a zilean 2 days ago, if he used bomb-rewind-bomb you could only block one of the bombs, however taking out half of his damage helps a lot, and since you have your Vorpal(Q) to heal with its not too much of a problem

I usually start with regrowth pendant on shen for the lane staying power, because regrowth+ his heal is really cheap, although i dont end up building the regrowth into anything later so its a dead end item


Maybe just start with boots and a pile of health pots? Also, regrowth builds into force of nature, which it seems would be decent on Shen.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
May 17 2010 01:01 GMT
#4206
Oh, and you don't have to worry about bomb-rewind-bomb TOO much because a Sapph. Crystal Zil will have enough mana for at most 3 before running dry. Assuming you successfully feint one, you're looking at 320 damage at level 5.
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StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
May 17 2010 02:39 GMT
#4207
On May 17 2010 08:28 HazMat wrote:
I get dorans shield but I'm not a huge fan of it. I tried ruby crystal so that I can upgrade to leviathan but I find stacking sunfire capes to be better.

Yea i stack sunfires as well, i start with regrowth and then grab my boots and go for sunfires as soon as i can, Levi is nice on shen but i never find a good time to buy it, i dont get it first because i want the sunfire damage(usually at least 2 before i think about levi) but by that time the game is usually far enough along im not really counting on getting 20 stacks, so i would rather just get more sunfires


and yes force of nature might be nice on shen but im still a whore for my sunfires
You can't milk those!
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 17 2010 04:15 GMT
#4208
So I am in the midst of modifying my runes so that with Akali I could get both of her passives @ level 1. I can get the 10+ attack damage with Dorans blade and when I have my ignite on cooldown I have 20+ ability power BUT, the 20+ ability power doesn't activate! I guess you actually need some items to unlock the passives, can anyone confirm this? Or maybe it's just because the +10 from ignite thing doesn't work out. Anyways, I'll be able to afford another AP quint pretty soon so I'll find out then I guess.
Retvrn to Forvms
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4690 Posts
May 17 2010 04:29 GMT
#4209
On May 17 2010 11:39 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 08:28 HazMat wrote:
I get dorans shield but I'm not a huge fan of it. I tried ruby crystal so that I can upgrade to leviathan but I find stacking sunfire capes to be better.

Yea i stack sunfires as well, i start with regrowth and then grab my boots and go for sunfires as soon as i can, Levi is nice on shen but i never find a good time to buy it, i dont get it first because i want the sunfire damage(usually at least 2 before i think about levi) but by that time the game is usually far enough along im not really counting on getting 20 stacks, so i would rather just get more sunfires


and yes force of nature might be nice on shen but im still a whore for my sunfires


Never really tried Regrowth into stacking Sunfires, I generally Ruby Crystal into Phage into stacking Sunfires.

Also, what is it with FoN and other Magic Resist items containg HP/5?
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 17 2010 05:01 GMT
#4210
banshee's veil has MR and it doesn't have HP/5. Neither does Abyssal Scepter. Nor Aegis of the Legion. Nor Guardian Angel. it's pretty much just Spirit Visage and Force of Nature that have those 2 :p.
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radmax86
Profile Joined September 2004
United States437 Posts
May 17 2010 05:56 GMT
#4211
I'm gonna enjoy when janna gets a nerf >_<
bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
May 17 2010 07:13 GMT
#4212
So I've been wondering; what's the consensus on "dead end" items like the Doran's items. I know we've had a discussion at length regarding stacking Doran's blades on Twitch, but there wasn't any discussion on a more general basis. I personally feel Doran's items make my early game a lot easier/more managable on most heroes and is easily worth the money for the lane staying power. Discuss.
A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isnt' there. -Charles Darwin
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
May 17 2010 07:22 GMT
#4213
i love dorans, get it on most of my characters

doran ring/doran blade for AP/AD EZ
ring for soraka
ring for jax
shield for kat
ring for nidalee

etc etc

though i dont get it for characters that build early catalyst
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
May 17 2010 07:28 GMT
#4214
On May 17 2010 16:13 InsideTheBox wrote:
So I've been wondering; what's the consensus on "dead end" items like the Doran's items. I know we've had a discussion at length regarding stacking Doran's blades on Twitch, but there wasn't any discussion on a more general basis. I personally feel Doran's items make my early game a lot easier/more managable on most heroes and is easily worth the money for the lane staying power. Discuss.

The only doran's spamm I seen worked was veigar who got 3 doran's ring boots - mejai... He did well with it... On the other hand I were level 20 when I saw it. Never seen something else with it.
It's a bit shortsighted imo.
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Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
May 17 2010 08:04 GMT
#4215
I have a question.
Do crit runes apply to shaco's backstab and/or his crit when attacking while invisible?

Because this would be great for FB.
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Nashun
Profile Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
May 17 2010 08:04 GMT
#4216
It's cool to get Doran's items as a first item to give you a short-term laning advantage against opponents who don't, but getting more than one is silly. You would basically be stacking a bunch of short term investments that will soon be overshadowed by the opponents' tier 2 and tier 3 items.
Baikinman
Profile Joined January 2010
United States74 Posts
May 17 2010 08:26 GMT
#4217
On May 17 2010 17:04 Ota Solgryn wrote:
I have a question.
Do crit runes apply to shaco's backstab and/or his crit when attacking while invisible?

Because this would be great for FB.



Increase Crit Dmg % runes will increase the dmg for crit dmg for shaco only because he has a 100% crit.

If you are thinking of getting full crit dmg runes which is about 46% extra crit dmg its like 27k IP

good luck farming 27000 IP
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Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
May 17 2010 08:41 GMT
#4218
On May 17 2010 17:26 Baikinman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 17:04 Ota Solgryn wrote:
I have a question.
Do crit runes apply to shaco's backstab and/or his crit when attacking while invisible?

Because this would be great for FB.



Increase Crit Dmg % runes will increase the dmg for crit dmg for shaco only because he has a 100% crit.


If you are thinking of getting full crit dmg runes which is about 46% extra crit dmg its like 27k IP

good luck farming 27000 IP



Didnt quite get this. So it does apply to his attack when invis? Does it not apply to other heros or what do you mean?
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DanielZKlein
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1171 Posts
May 17 2010 08:49 GMT
#4219
Ota: I think what Baikinman was trying to say is: crit damage runes will always boost damage Shaco does coming out of stealth because he has a guaranteed crit coming out of stealth.

So yeah, it does apply to his attack when he's invisible. It improves the damage of all critical attacks, and the stealth thing for shaco is simply a guaranteed crit.

Crit damage rune builds are a very specific thing. They work really well for certain champions--Shaco, Tryndamere, Gangplank (maybe not so much these days, but pre-Parrley nerf a crit dam rune build was a must have on the pirate), possibly even Garen (whirlwind attacks all have crit chance)--but they are next to completely useless on other champions. Even some melee champs simply have no good way of implementing +crit chance items in their build and so could benefit a lot more from different rune builds. Crit dam is probably especially shit on an Udyr (turtle stance cannot crit).

As for the question upthread re: Zilean in your lane, bomb will be tickled with the nerf-stick next update, but more important than the AP reduction is the fact that bomb will now INSTANTLY hurt you a little bit (I'm guessing they're going for a single point of damage) so that Zilean will draw tower aggro. No more diving in and applying bomb unpunished.
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fuzzbox
Profile Joined February 2010
235 Posts
May 17 2010 10:00 GMT
#4220
am i the only one tired as hell of the boring ranged heroes? every game seems to be a race to who picks the carry first. usually i'll see a garen, kat, akali, warwick or what-have-you and then we still need a ranged support of some kind.

i end up having to fill that role but no great ranged heroes.
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