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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On May 13 2010 23:05 Zato-1 wrote: This is really interesting. Do you have a source for this? 'cause I searched all over for an explanation from the LoL developers for the order of these steps, but I could never find it :p http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=110048 | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
This is awesome. Thanks! | ||
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Mogwai
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Mogwai
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: In that, there's a lot less big AoE now. Whereas before games were filled with Alistars and Fiddles and TFs and Sivirs and what-have-yous spamming CC and flying damage, lots of games these days are covered by Shen, Nidalee/Ezreal, a dedicated support, and two random things that often don't have AoE or good CC. | ||
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Mogwai
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: Oh, also the Highlander buff. What were they thinking? Two assists or a kill to have it charged? In late-game teamfights that's ridiculous. You may not always get a kill by with Alpha and his movement speed he'll easily get at least two assists. The bright side is he's still relatively easy to kill, but they've given him a free Zhonya's Ring via Meditate now. As a whole he's not terrible anymore, and those changes coupled with his improved farming speed make him rather viable. As said, poking his head into Tier 4 already, for me, and possibly on the rise. If you ask me who you'd rather have, a jungling Warwick, Udyr, or Yi, I'd be hardpressed to tell you I'd prefer Udyr over Yi atm :| (granted that has a lot to do with Udyr being nerfed to the ground, too). | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:25 Southlight wrote: He's poking his head into tier 4 atm for me; I saw two Yis absolutely crush a game; granted, one of them fell off after mid-game, but it did tell me that Yi can activate earlier now with a stronger, less mana-consuming Alpha Strike. I feel like it's tough balancing Yi, though, because he was and still is the strongest late-game hero in the game, but he just never farms fast enough. Speeding up Alpha, which is the big change I notice, makes him farm very fast, but that also means a fast farm Yi = crazy snowballing = breaks a game really fast. I think he's still like a probability-based hero, in that if the other team is set up well he'll have a bad game, while if the other team has chobo hero choices he'll absolutely crush them now. wait... what? are you trolling? I agree that late-game is his strongest phase, but uhhhh... seems to me that there are plenty of characters that would rapestroy him late game off of similar farm. what makes you think he'd be stronger than like, Jax or Shen or Nasus or Trist or TF or Ezreal or Trynd or Twitch? EDIT: every time I see him trying to Z-Ring with meditate, he just gets taunted, feared, silenced, stunned, or knocked up and then raped. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
The problem was, and sort of is, that he has no utility. He has pretty much no lane presence, Alpha Strike was too slow and costly for consistent farming, and with no utility and a massive farm requirement he was like a melee version of Tristana. Except Trist has two escape mechanisms and farms really fast because of Explosive... and even then I don't mind seeing Trist on the enemy team, because I don't usually lose to a farmed Trist. So they buffed his farming speed, and made it so in mid-late-game teamfights he can keep up Highlander much more easily. Coupled with the metagame shift (the biggest thing) he's less likely to be CC'd and nuked. And if he's being nuked, he has Meditate, which can keep him up okay if he times it, especially in conjunction with Cleanse against a nuker (who will usually open with a stun, so if you see it coming, like Annie, you get hit by Tibbers, Cleanse, Meditate, eat the next two shots with really high MR, then break Meditate, turn on Highlander and kill... assuming the Shield doesn't kill you.) etc. Obviously using Meditate mid-fight against a spam CC character won't help, but really in such a case he's dead anyways so that makes no difference. Edit: To explain further, the comparison with Nasus, for example (probably the most significant one here), is that Nasus only needs like 1300 gold to output damage (Sheen). Beyond that he can build tank, and thus he becomes a really heavy-striking DPS Tank hybrid. By comparison Yi would need like 3-4 DPS items, including a heavy lifesteal item (like Exec Calling). But in a full farm vs full farm duel, Yi would crush Nasus in like 6 seconds. And he'd pretty much end the fight with nearly-full HP and a freshly charged Highlander. That said, Yi was and is less likely to survive a teamfight with heavy AoE being flung around (why he was absolutely useless) and it's not exactly cake to get those 3-4 DPS items either. | ||
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Mogwai
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
But I also won a game earlier with Kyzer where our Yi scored us like 10 kills between the 15-30 minute mark. This, of course, comes with the caveat that he was laned with me (on Shen) against a solo Janna, and the Janna couldn't do anything to actually like, stop our Yi, from farming. And I was content to let our Yi get all the creep kills, and no one bothered to gank him. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Here is the score screen... http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7470/4v5i.jpg | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
That's what it looks like to me. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7470/4v5i.jpg) | ||
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radmax86
United States437 Posts
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floor exercise
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On May 14 2010 05:56 radmax86 wrote: ^fail Nono, tinypic just hates me... Imageshack works now... Or imma request a temp ban just because I failed... | ||
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Mogwai
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:05 Mogwai wrote: well, why isn't it just a screenshot? crop it down to a reasonable size, 9K x 5K is annoying Erh... I've NO idea whatsoever how to work with pics, my proces is the following: Press "Prt SQ", go into paint, press ctrl-v. save. put file on imageshack and post link with [img[ [/img] around it. ... Am I that stupid ?:< | ||
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