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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 03:34:49
April 28 2010 03:31 GMT
#3361
[image loading]

lmao, healers are soooooo fucking gay

EDIT: look at the time on that puppy :p
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 28 2010 03:36 GMT
#3362
Sounds about right. The thing is, though, I hate playing Soraka and then having teammates that don't understand they're mostly better off just focusing down towers rather than diving enemies and going outside my heal range.

Earlier though, played against a healing team with a team composed of corki, veigar, alistar, fiddle and jax, and basically just AoE nuked them to oblivion.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 28 2010 04:11 GMT
#3363
This is unbelievable, none of us have played these heroes before, and we're fucking around with item builds (last two games I rushed Mejai and Levi) and we're still steamrolling. We just pushed the nexus towers down with a Soraka who only had Ruby, cuz he never went back to base...
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 28 2010 05:19 GMT
#3364
well, "none of us have played these heroes before" is an overstatement, but yea, we've never really ran with them in competitive games over the past couple months besides turkey's sora. And the wins are just coming so easy, I haven't felt scared of losing yet.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
April 28 2010 05:28 GMT
#3365
the only recent time I can remember beating a heal team is with shen

AOE disables really kill em
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 28 2010 05:42 GMT
#3366
one of the things I really love about AP Ez in this setup is ruing their initiation with cleanse... it's like, they start their burst shit with an AoE disable, I just cleanse, shift to the right spot and just unload an essense flux -> ult combo to heal my team and burst their whole team (not to mention the initiator eats my shift damage), Soraka wakes up out of the disable, wishes, and now everyone's at full health and they're all minus a bunch from at least my ult, if not also the flux if they needed to get amongst my team to do their burst. I think the other team needs like, 2 other good mass disables + Fiddle to really burst through the healing of a focused team like that.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 28 2010 05:58 GMT
#3367
Only time I've beaten a heal team is with Twitch.

AoE EC, even nerfed, slowly but surely turns the tide.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 28 2010 06:27 GMT
#3368
On April 28 2010 10:52 Southlight wrote:
Um, as a bunch of us pointed out to you guys before, as you go up in Elo you'll notice no one really lanes. I remember Mogwai being completely caught off-guard by it when he first played with my little group of friends.


This is clearly not the case, as I watch a fair amount of solomid streaming, and they always lane. Yes, they lane right, with lots of ganking, dragoning, and early teamfights, but they DO lane.

Still, those were two painful games. My first losses where it was obviously macro mistakes (map control/awareness, positioning) rather than micro (misuse skills, someone engages when they shouldn't) that really cost us.
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
April 28 2010 09:06 GMT
#3369
Imho. There is definately laning in high elo games, but it stops mostly and its less consistent when mid solo hits 6. After that its about grouping up, tower diving and snatching dragon. At least if you watch AON vs Eski Grand tourney finals matches.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 28 2010 09:30 GMT
#3370
On April 28 2010 14:42 Mogwai wrote:
one of the things I really love about AP Ez in this setup is ruing their initiation with cleanse... it's like, they start their burst shit with an AoE disable, I just cleanse, shift to the right spot and just unload an essense flux -> ult combo to heal my team and burst their whole team (not to mention the initiator eats my shift damage), Soraka wakes up out of the disable, wishes, and now everyone's at full health and they're all minus a bunch from at least my ult, if not also the flux if they needed to get amongst my team to do their burst. I think the other team needs like, 2 other good mass disables + Fiddle to really burst through the healing of a focused team like that.

wouldnt u just die to the burst ? ezreal is damn squishy
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 10:21:09
April 28 2010 09:35 GMT
#3371
who's ID is "Team Liquid"? sounds like fail
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 09:54:51
April 28 2010 09:52 GMT
#3372
Veigar with deathfire grasp is pretty BS. At level 11 I was nuking down most casters with just deathfire and my ulti. Engame, veigar has somewhere between 400-600AP so deathfire grasp takes out at least 45% of their health regardless of who they are. Tanks sometimes required my other two attack skills but they`re down at least 90% health.

And the thing is unlike ryze, you don`t even need to run up to nuke anyone, you can just sit back, spam your AoE nuke, and then wait someone comes into your range so that you don`t get focus fired, and insta-kill or at least majorly gimp one guy. The only problem with veigar is his absolutely-crap early game.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 09:53:50
April 28 2010 09:53 GMT
#3373
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 10:25:26
April 28 2010 10:25 GMT
#3374
AN ALLY HAS BEEN SLAIN

AN ALLY HAS BEEN SLAIN

AN ALLY HAS BEEN SLAIN

AN ALLY HAS BEEN SLAIN

AN ENEMY IS LEGENDARY!!!!

AN ALLY HAS BEEN SLAIN


FUCK!
Chains none
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 28 2010 11:26 GMT
#3375
On April 28 2010 18:52 Juicyfruit wrote:
Veigar with deathfire grasp is pretty BS. At level 11 I was nuking down most casters with just deathfire and my ulti. Engame, veigar has somewhere between 400-600AP so deathfire grasp takes out at least 45% of their health regardless of who they are. Tanks sometimes required my other two attack skills but they`re down at least 90% health.

And the thing is unlike ryze, you don`t even need to run up to nuke anyone, you can just sit back, spam your AoE nuke, and then wait someone comes into your range so that you don`t get focus fired, and insta-kill or at least majorly gimp one guy. The only problem with veigar is his absolutely-crap early game.


At one point, I was working on an epic-nuke Veigar build. The idea was to run ignite as a summoner spell, then build deathfire grasp, sorc boots, and lich bane (if the game continues: zhonya's, mejai, veil, whatever). That gives you his Q, his R, ignite, dfg's active, and lich bane's passive on his next autoattack as nukes, 4 of which are AP based. Unfortunately, you have to make an early choice of skills: meteor so you can farm at all, or Q/stun so your build works before L18. I found success with neither.
Dr.Kill-Joy
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States627 Posts
April 28 2010 11:27 GMT
#3376
Did you edit the fuck in there haha.

That fuckin new item that increases +30 attack +15 crit is op as fuck. All I have to say.
About To Ass Rape That Face Wit Some Words
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 12:25:42
April 28 2010 12:20 GMT
#3377
On April 28 2010 20:26 oberon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 18:52 Juicyfruit wrote:
Veigar with deathfire grasp is pretty BS. At level 11 I was nuking down most casters with just deathfire and my ulti. Engame, veigar has somewhere between 400-600AP so deathfire grasp takes out at least 45% of their health regardless of who they are. Tanks sometimes required my other two attack skills but they`re down at least 90% health.

And the thing is unlike ryze, you don`t even need to run up to nuke anyone, you can just sit back, spam your AoE nuke, and then wait someone comes into your range so that you don`t get focus fired, and insta-kill or at least majorly gimp one guy. The only problem with veigar is his absolutely-crap early game.


At one point, I was working on an epic-nuke Veigar build. The idea was to run ignite as a summoner spell, then build deathfire grasp, sorc boots, and lich bane (if the game continues: zhonya's, mejai, veil, whatever). That gives you his Q, his R, ignite, dfg's active, and lich bane's passive on his next autoattack as nukes, 4 of which are AP based. Unfortunately, you have to make an early choice of skills: meteor so you can farm at all, or Q/stun so your build works before L18. I found success with neither.


Level 2 stun is enough to land your AoE, and that`s what really matters. Your spells unload FAST. I am not a huge fan of normal attacking with veigar at all since his attack animation is SOOOO slow. No lichbane for me. I usually nuke, aiming for someone i know I can kill, and then gtfo. Frankly though, since your AP is so high, the base level of your spells don`t matter as much; you can easily farm with a non-maxed AoE spell once you have at least 200AP, which is decently early.

No ignite for me. Teleport and Flash all the way. Teleport because veigar is totally boss at guarding towers and sometimes you can gank really well with it if you put down a ward in the right place. Flash is mostly to save your ass in a teamfight after you unload your nuke. Good players usually watch for me careful in a teamfight and focus fire as soon as I make a move, so I pretty much stay back and wait for them to initiate. You can also pull a poppy and flash in, nuke their main DPS or caster, and then die. They never see that coming. It`s always worth it for me to suicide and take out one of them since I get 5AP for it, and am pretty lousy at pushing towers anyways.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 28 2010 13:44 GMT
#3378
On April 28 2010 18:30 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 14:42 Mogwai wrote:
one of the things I really love about AP Ez in this setup is ruing their initiation with cleanse... it's like, they start their burst shit with an AoE disable, I just cleanse, shift to the right spot and just unload an essense flux -> ult combo to heal my team and burst their whole team (not to mention the initiator eats my shift damage), Soraka wakes up out of the disable, wishes, and now everyone's at full health and they're all minus a bunch from at least my ult, if not also the flux if they needed to get amongst my team to do their burst. I think the other team needs like, 2 other good mass disables + Fiddle to really burst through the healing of a focused team like that.

wouldnt u just die to the burst ? ezreal is damn squishy

you would, but that's why you cleanse out of the disable that's setting up the AoE damage output, then you arcane shift to a position that lets you mitigate the burst on your teammates with your heal.
On April 28 2010 20:27 Dr.Kill-Joy wrote:
Did you edit the fuck in there haha.

That fuckin new item that increases +30 attack +15 crit is op as fuck. All I have to say.

Ghostblade is very good on some heroes, but it's not OP by a long shot. The heroes it's designed for are the most underpowered out there (Melee DPS).

And I mean, come on, what healer has a use for ghostblade? :p (well, besides maybe Nidalee, but she wouldn't want it until after sheen and visage anyway and by that point, the game's already over)
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
April 28 2010 13:52 GMT
#3379
Kinda sad that Youmuu's Ghostblade is pretty much mandatory 1st item on any autoattack hero.... So it kinda destroys all the diversity in item builds. I guess its kinda op in a sense.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 28 2010 14:21 GMT
#3380
I will not be getting Ghostblade first on TF and he's an autoattack hero.

It really doesn't destroy all the diversity in item builds. There are a whole buttload of heroes who have sheen as a mandatory 1st item, yet no one's complaining about that and it's largely because what you do after sheen is very diverse.

And honestly, I'm not sure which characters you're talking about needing to get ghostblade first. Trynd and Yi are the only 2 that I really think would have no other viable options. Who else do you think has to get Youmuu's?
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