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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
April 21 2010 17:39 GMT
#3121
dominated with gragas last night, 300 crits at lvl 2 with only a doran's shield is $$

had at least 2 lane kills in all the games lol, getting 4 in one.
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 17:43 GMT
#3122
I was just thinking about it and with that buff, he'd just get golem buff (45 energy to feint every 3 seconds, with golem, you regen 42 of that over those 3 seconds). You'd build into ghostblade + spirit visage as first 2 items along with your treads, and with paltry CD redux from runes/masteries, you'd be maxed off of golem. After that, it doesn't even matter, you'd probably just go mallet -> atma's, but you could alternately do anything you wanted... IE, stack sunfires, GA, what would you care? it's not like you could die even if you tried while mashing W with golem buff. Mash W, taunt their CCers after your first 2 seconds are up, activate ghostblade (keep mashing W), ggnore.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
April 21 2010 17:48 GMT
#3123
REDTOOTH'S GUIDE TO PLAYING SIVIR
- farm to level 6 (you should have 300 cs)
- push R, kill a tower
- occasionally push Q and E when you think it's appropriate
- push R, win a team fight
- win games
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 17:50 GMT
#3124
that guide's outdated.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 21 2010 17:50 GMT
#3125
On April 22 2010 02:48 redtooth wrote:
REDTOOTH'S GUIDE TO PLAYING SIVIR
- farm to level 6 (you should have 300 cs)
- push R, kill a tower
- occasionally push Q and E when you think it's appropriate
- push R, win a team fight
- win games

Put link to this in first page please
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 17:53:34
April 21 2010 17:51 GMT
#3126
On April 22 2010 02:50 Mogwai wrote:
that guide's outdated.


Southlight's Guide to Playing Sivir
1a) Hope to god you're playing against a crackpot or a crappy hero solo mid
1b) Go lane
2) Starve your teammate of gold by pushing creep with Q
3) Hit R and die trying to push a tower
4) Hit R in teamfights and die trying to do anything damage
5) Profit the other team 400 gold per death.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 17:54 GMT
#3127
funny how an 11% range nerf took a top tier character, brutally murdered her and wiped everyone's memory of her ever existing. I can't even remember the last time I saw a Sivir.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 21 2010 17:55 GMT
#3128
Funny how shanking an ult took the lone top-tier character remaining...



RIP Taric
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 18:08:54
April 21 2010 18:08 GMT
#3129
On April 22 2010 02:51 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2010 02:50 Mogwai wrote:
that guide's outdated.


Southlight's Guide to Playing Sivir
1a) Hope to god you're playing against a crackpot or a crappy hero solo mid
1b) Go lane
2) Starve your teammate of gold by pushing creep with Q
3) Hit R and die trying to push a tower
4) Hit R in teamfights and die trying to do anything damage
5) Profit the other team 400 gold per death.
dude sivir ult in a teamfight is gamechanging. i really didn't realize her potential until this one dude went aura sivir recently. i think it might be the only time i've won in SR under 20 minutes.

and the funny thing is during the entire game he was like "hai guys, i'm here to push R". and that's what he did. and that's how we won so quickly.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 18:18:26
April 21 2010 18:14 GMT
#3130
Her ult does not make up for becoming a 4v5, and the only aura that she could get that someone else shouldn't already be getting in a 5v5 team is Stark's, which isn't very good early-mid game, and doesn't help if she's running away trying to survive with her godawful survivability. The only way to play her and be "viable" in more than 20% of your games is to go AP Sivir, but for what?

Edit:
Let's try to answer that question.
Take an AP Sivir so you can get your ass whooped solo mid by any competent hero (except for Anivia, Anivia is like the one hero in the whole game she can beat solo mid).
Take an AP Sivir so you can starve your lanemate like Mordekaiser.

But it's okay, you can starve your lanemate and farm up to become... dun dun dunnn.

An aura boomerang turret.

I mean she essentially turns your team into a 3v5 by nature of her counterproductiveness in a lane, or turns it into a really bad 4v5 by not doing anything worthwhile to their solo mid. Your team isn't wanting a level 11 aura bitch, after all, when they're staring at a level 12-13 Annie that basically free-farmed for 15 minutes because you couldn't do anything except run away whenever Annie had Tibbers charged.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
April 21 2010 18:17 GMT
#3131
On April 22 2010 02:55 Southlight wrote:
Funny how shanking an ult took the lone top-tier character remaining...



RIP Taric
jax? fiddle?
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 18:18 GMT
#3132
well, her ult hasn't been changed in awhile and it's always been really good, but her early game is SUCH a liability right now... She gets raped by like, all half competent solomids and completely starves her partner on a side lane. She might still work as a tower hugger on a solo side with a jungler, but she just pushes creep too fast for her own good at that phase.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 18:22:25
April 21 2010 18:20 GMT
#3133
Jax is strong but, contrary to Mogwai, I don't think he's that dominating. A fed Jax is painful but beatable, as his tanking power diminishes over time. As long as you have a decent team setup.

Fiddle is also strong but he requires a "pull" team and/or one that can hold their own 4v5. The moment your team ends up relying on Fiddle's ult to kill, you start setting yourself up for some hairy moments and some agonizing losses.

Edit:
By contrast Taric had it all. Ranged disable, two AoE teamfight spells, a two-man heal, and the natural ability to tank even with minimal items. You don't need to cater a team to Taric; Taric is just that ridiculous.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 18:24 GMT
#3134
Jax is only dominant when his surviveablity is bolstered by support teammates, but I do think team layouts that can keep their Jax alive through burst are brutally efficient. It's just his weak early game that keeps Jax in check IMO.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 21 2010 18:34 GMT
#3135
Actually my experience is such that his late-game falls apart, too >_>;
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 18:37:26
April 21 2010 18:36 GMT
#3136
I know that you know that I am the sickest Chogath you know

[image loading]

Surrender now or prepare to fight
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 18:45:16
April 21 2010 18:42 GMT
#3137
nothing like the straight AS Tristana build...

hey, I have an ability that handles all my attack speed issues for me... I KNOW, I'LL GET MOAR ATTACK SPEED!

EDIT:
On April 22 2010 03:34 Southlight wrote:
Actually my experience is such that his late-game falls apart, too >_>;

In my experience, this only happens when he dies to initiate burst. If you have proper support that keeps you alive past the first 5 seconds of a teamfight, Jax always seems to just rip the other team apart.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
April 21 2010 19:14 GMT
#3138
wait people actually think sivir is bad? wat

sure there's tons of bad sivirs since the nerfs, but the good ones just control games. its mind boggling what 1 good sivir can do to change a game.
Brees on in
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 21 2010 19:16 GMT
#3139
I've not played against a single Sivir that "controlled a game" because I always push right at them anyways. If a Sivir wants to solo-push a lane while we take down their inhibitor so be it. And her ult is nice but Sivir itself isn't going to accomplish much, so... is like 4.5 vs 5. I think she's pretty bad.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 19:51 GMT
#3140
On April 22 2010 04:14 Brees wrote:
wait people actually think sivir is bad? wat

sure there's tons of bad sivirs since the nerfs, but the good ones just control games. its mind boggling what 1 good sivir can do to change a game.

yea, at least in 5 man premades, I don't see Sivir accomplish much of anything these days. I dunno, it might just be that there are less of them now, but I do think that the range nerf was the nail in her coffin.

In other news, I'm desperately trying to convince people of how stupid Shen's new Feint is in this thread:
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=97189&page=5
I think I'm succeeding in arguing down people who don't know what the implications of this buff are, but I also don't get the impression that Riot has their eye on this at all, and it's really starting to worry me.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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