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Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 10:19:12
April 21 2010 10:18 GMT
#3101
On April 21 2010 13:18 Baikinman wrote:
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almost perfect


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Perfect!

Had this game with iG. Cloud from TL and some random other people. My first perfect game ever, took me nearly 700 games.
This signature is ruining eSports.
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
April 21 2010 12:20 GMT
#3102
Whats the hate going on with Mundo by the way? I find him a really potential champ, similar to Nasus if built correctly. He has a very strong early laning phase: decent harass and easy to last minions. You can get FB's quite easily with him too. People just don't seem to realize the damage potential he has. Mundo also destroys turrets extremely fast.

He is still kinda problematic, because you can't initiate with Mundo if you build him DPS (which you should). And the biggest threat is healing reduction, namely ignite and Trist so you really have to be aware when to use your ultimate. Though you can counter these effects if you take cleanse. He isn't really top tier material, but he isn't neither bottom.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
April 21 2010 13:14 GMT
#3103
They hate Mundo because I'm the only Mundo they see, and I have a (not undeserved) reputation for making bad decisions. Especially as Mundo.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
eaT_Mi_Lquid
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany509 Posts
April 21 2010 13:30 GMT
#3104
On April 21 2010 19:18 Khenra wrote:
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On April 21 2010 13:18 Baikinman wrote:
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[image loading]


almost perfect


[image loading]

Perfect!

Had this game with iG. Cloud from TL and some random other people. My first perfect game ever, took me nearly 700 games.


Kodenhrebs22 is a funny name hehe
League of Legends: Puffelipuff
Skystriker
Profile Joined December 2008
United States16 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 13:48:56
April 21 2010 13:48 GMT
#3105
On April 21 2010 12:48 captainwaffles wrote:
I just started playing the game a few days ago after all my friends pestered me into it. I'm a level 4, is Zilean viable at high level play? I really like him and using his character. For that matter, can anyone with experience tell me if the game is balanced?


Glad to have you with us.

Zilean is mediocre tier on Summoner's Rift (the 5v5 map, SR). He's good but nothing exceptional.

On Twisted Treeline (the 3v3 map, TT) he is god-tier, one of the absolute top Champions.

The game is very well balanced. This does not mean every Champion is viable, but that none are excessively OP at this point in time. For example, Evelyn is very UP at top tier play, but they keep her at that power level because she destroys low and even some mid games.

On April 21 2010 21:20 suffeli wrote:
Whats the hate going on with Mundo by the way? I find him a really potential champ, similar to Nasus if built correctly. He has a very strong early laning phase: decent harass and easy to last minions. You can get FB's quite easily with him too. People just don't seem to realize the damage potential he has. Mundo also destroys turrets extremely fast.

He is still kinda problematic, because you can't initiate with Mundo if you build him DPS (which you should). And the biggest threat is healing reduction, namely ignite and Trist so you really have to be aware when to use your ultimate. Though you can counter these effects if you take cleanse. He isn't really top tier material, but he isn't neither bottom.


Some of the best players in the game love Mundo, and he's one of the strongest Champs on TT.
Lets game
Skystriker
Profile Joined December 2008
United States16 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 13:49:06
April 21 2010 13:48 GMT
#3106
Doublepost fael
Lets game
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 21 2010 14:18 GMT
#3107
SR though as long as your teammates aren't morons and don't feed him any kills his effect in teamfights is pretty minimal. He dies to good burst and healing reduction, has no real CC, and can't initiate very well. It's not to say he's unplayable, but he's not Jax or Udyr, which is who you want him to be :D.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 21 2010 14:18 GMT
#3108
On TT he's a beast though
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 14:26:20
April 21 2010 14:18 GMT
#3109
All the ones I play are "top-tier" because I probably play similar to "top-tier" play -- bring the game to a 5v5 teamfight ASAP and then crush them at a preferable timing. It doesn't hurt that I tend to play the tank/support role nowadays, and most of the tank/support heroes that are any decent are either crap-tier or top-tier ;p

Mundo hate is because he suffers from "I'm a melee DPS not named Jax"-itis and he has no disable. The only semi-viable Mundo IMO is a solo mid Mundo because that gives him his ult superfast, otherwise he has trouble tanking and outputting damage, and you'd better believe that a solo mid Mundo will be focused down like no tomorrow. Otherwise sans laning with a super harasser versus a lane that cannot really harass back, you accomplish nothing in laning phase and require some sort of miracle to go from useless to useful in mid-game.

He does, however, have great synergy with Soraka when getting a Spirit Visage. Soraka and solo Mundo is a pretty top-tier team foundation. That's probably also the only team build I've seen him shine, though. Doesn't hurt that every time I've seen this I've seen Soraka Mundo Shen.

On April 21 2010 19:10 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Aww. Kawaii abandoned me for YOU guys


Also actually he abandoned us after that game for you
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 14:33 GMT
#3110
On April 21 2010 15:48 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
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On April 21 2010 15:25 Southlight wrote:
On April 21 2010 15:18 pokeyAA wrote:
Meh, I play the characters I have fun with. I played Eve until it was obvious she couldn't hack it in higher ELO (in which case it stopped being fun). Havent had much problems playing Ashe yet. Look at it like Wazzabi playing Warwick, if you really enjoy your character, you might do a lot better playing a 'shittier' character than hating your higher tier characters.


Agreed. It just amounts to playstyle, what your comfortable with, and what your team build will allow you to do. I love playing the bludgeon characters, which is why I'm comfortable with Malph/Taric/Soraka etc. and I've made clear I don't play Taric/Soraka the way most people would. The moment I feel I'm at an advantage, or need a disadvantage to be nullified, I prefer to be able to instantly turn the game around in an early 5v5 match. Other people prefer to be mobile and constantly playing a game of cat-and-mouse; those are the Shacos at higher Elos, whom do relatively successfully despite Shaco being a terribad 5v5 hero (incidentally those also tend to be the Shacos I take advantage of >_>) Riot has done a phenomenal job at beating down heroes that were too strong, thus promoting hero variety on Summoner's Rift. There's an obvious tier list based on game mechanics (AoE/Disables will always be very strong) but there's an increasing number of heroes that can trump their lack of superior game-mechanic-abuse with other strengths. Mogwai's become quite proficient at Pantheon, and it's working out pretty well against some decent competition. But most people would (rightfully, IMO) argue that Pantheon is far from a top or even middle tier.

To be fair all 3 of those heroes you listed as "being comfortable with" are top-tier :D.

I mean, I get the point, but it's like playing a Trynd when you could be playing Jax. I know what you're saying about playing fun characters because I wreck house with Cho, but I started to pick real heroes for important games.

Trynd as opposed to Jax is a bit harsh @_@.

It's more like playing Mundo as opposed to Jax, which, as the above conversation is saying, can be alright with the right team set up. That Roku/Shurelia game still haunts me ...


And in regards to pantheon, the main reason I was looking better on solos last night was the 0/21/9 setup. 21 in defensive is crucial for solo lane presence with him.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 21 2010 14:37 GMT
#3111
I also think Pantheon may simply be better as a solo mid, I think he can beat/handle most enemy heroes, and it gives him his heartseeker omfg status faster, for a longer duration of viability.

But I mean, yesterday I was on a team with Warwick Mundo Soraka Shen Annie, it was the most ridiculous thing ever because the only one that died on our team was basically me, and only because they sent the house after me (they'd trade 4 for 1). Two self-healers, one infinite healer, an offense heal + shield, and a self-shield aoe stunner :x Our Mundo took the 1v2 lane and the game ended up being extremely ho-hum.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 14:43 GMT
#3112
Yea, I think he just beats most solo mids. He out harasses pretty much everyone up to level 3 between spear chucking and his block, and once you hit level 3 you can out burst pretty much anyone with your full combo.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 21 2010 14:47 GMT
#3113
How to make a melee DPS not-named-Jax viable:
Try to make them solo mid.

Derp derp.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 14:53 GMT
#3114
awww, poor yi and trynd'll never be viable :p
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
stoned_rabbit
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States324 Posts
April 21 2010 15:09 GMT
#3115
trynd is one of my favorite characters on paper. I mean, he's like the perfect glass cannon. He gets stronger as he loses hp and then becomes invincible for like 6 seconds? yes please. Too bad he blows chunks in actual games. Why is that? oh because the whole time you're thinking...this isnt jax. I dont have 30% dodge, 2 aoe stuns, my dps is my hp, and i have a great escape/initiation move. They need to buff all the other melee carries to the level of jax, cuz im sick of seeing him lol.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 15:19 GMT
#3116
2 aoe stuns? Jax has one aoe stun, and it's not the most reliable thing in the world :p.

I think that most Melee DPSes need some love, but having 5 different versions of Jax isn't the answer :p. Jax needs to be gradually nerfed down to being mortal again and the other Melee DPS options on the verge of being viable need to be made fully viable through small tweaking. Sadly, Trynd isn't in that category (lawl), he and Yi would really need to be fully reworked to be worth looking at in competitive play.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 21 2010 16:08 GMT
#3117
Just give Yi Mundo's HP and regen

Oh, wait.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 21 2010 17:17 GMT
#3118
I think it's more a niche sort of thing, tbh. Having a game overflowing with tons of ranged and melee DPS isn't going to be fun unless every DPS "has their thing," and unfortunately when it comes to the trifecta of Jax Trynd Yi they're all pretty much the same. They're going to have to rework something to either make Trynd and Yi very different, or simply give up making the thee simultaneously viable. Is my take on it.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 21 2010 17:17 GMT
#3119
I'm really starting to worry Riot's going to put out that Shen change...

if it makes it through, he's going to be unbelievably imbalanced and I'll have to stop playing entirely until they fix it.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 21 2010 17:22 GMT
#3120
Hear hear.

I'm actually contemplating picking up Shen as my laning tank with the upcoming Taric nerf, but I'm still not gonna play if they keep that ridiculous buff in.
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