EPTExhaust isn't there for the level 1 kill, it's there for the later ones. I usually bust it anyway as insurance but the reason I go boots is because it lasts the whole game no matter what happens in the first few minutes. I realize that shaco is rather squishy and it helps him farm/fb, but what's the really compelling reason that everyone uses to go fort potion over longsword or boots?
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Exhaust isn't there for the level 1 kill, it's there for the later ones. I usually bust it anyway as insurance but the reason I go boots is because it lasts the whole game no matter what happens in the first few minutes. I realize that shaco is rather squishy and it helps him farm/fb, but what's the really compelling reason that everyone uses to go fort potion over longsword or boots? | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On April 07 2010 16:31 redtooth wrote: yeah the mods PM'd me about it. they said my old sig might cause itching. zerg_russian you still learning shaco? you go boots over fort pot? Also, yes, I am still learning shaco. Why's fort pot better? I tried opening with it a few times but I still think boots/pots are more effective. | ||
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bellweather
United States404 Posts
On April 08 2010 04:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Also, yes, I am still learning shaco. Why's fort pot better? I tried opening with it a few times but I still think boots/pots are more effective. I like taking boots, but I see the allure of taking fort pot. You get to buy more health pots and still get better stats straight out of the gate than if you were to buy a longsword. As long as you're not trying to get first blood on someone with a ridiculous escape mechanism, boots won't be too much of a factor (especially if you're running around with exhaust and lizard buff). The benefit of not going fort is that you're not "set back" 300 gold in your build and gain some mobility if things get hairy. | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
What I do is open up long sword, then I get berzerker greaves, then I turn the long sword into sword of the occult. Then I make an infinity edge. But i realize this build totally sucks balls at the higher levels, because it seems the build revolves around shaco getting early kills to boost his crit dmg when he gets the infinity edge. And at the higher levels, first blood sometimes doesnt come till like 15 minutes, and the game ends up to be really low scoring. and i become almost entirely useless before i get my infinity edge. I think my build is better suited for the low lvls where kills come easy and often. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
an end-game build might look like madred's bloodrazors/merc treads/atk speed item(starks or malady)/guardian angel | ||
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Mogwai
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oberon
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On April 08 2010 04:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Also, yes, I am still learning shaco. Why's fort pot better? I tried opening with it a few times but I still think boots/pots are more effective. Fortifying pot is SOO good when you get the lizard buff as shaco at level 1. All you've got to do is stack Jitb, get your level two and the buff and you can gank anyone, especially a squishie @ mid or either lane. Bring Exhaust or Ignite to ensure their death. Squishes will be dying in almost two hits, plus the slow from the lizard buff = GG. | ||
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rredtooth
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On April 08 2010 04:43 InsideTheBox wrote: well shaco is damn squishy so the post-gank farming is smoother with it. and i find the pots necessary if i want to keep harassing. i would think that it would pay for itself with the additional damage helping last hit and additional hp helping not die. i don't play him anymore and only did during mid-lower elos (as i was leveling up) so i'm no expert but i used to go pot collection -> boots of mobility -> SoTo (when it had crit chance) -> IE -> last whisper -> cleaver. getting madreds and soloing barons makes sense though.I like taking boots, but I see the allure of taking fort pot. You get to buy more health pots and still get better stats straight out of the gate than if you were to buy a longsword. As long as you're not trying to get first blood on someone with a ridiculous escape mechanism, boots won't be too much of a factor (especially if you're running around with exhaust and lizard buff). The benefit of not going fort is that you're not "set back" 300 gold in your build and gain some mobility if things get hairy. | ||
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rredtooth
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On April 08 2010 08:47 Chrispy wrote: the question is whether they would have died anyways had you gone boots. usually if i do two deceives + ignite + exhaust it's just a huge overkill. but i think fort pot does help you afterwards.Fortifying pot is SOO good when you get the lizard buff as shaco at level 1. All you've got to do is stack Jitb, get your level two and the buff and you can gank anyone, especially a squishie @ mid or either lane. Bring Exhaust or Ignite to ensure their death. Squishes will be dying in almost two hits, plus the slow from the lizard buff = GG. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I'm something like 97 wins 87 losses, my friend's win% is similar. Note that it's actually a lot greater the last 15 games or so, early on we had maybe stuff like 20 wins 35 losses but we've improved and so on. So yeah, if anyone on EU who's decent would like to play some games with us, post here ^_^ If TL has a clan or anything, I'd like to join. I'd love to play US but it has crazy bad ping for me, but yeah =) I guess I'll talk a bit about random stuff and Trynd since no one likes him. I nearly always get Cleanse/Rally. I always get either Doran's shield or Brawler's glove things, and go for 3-4 early avarice blades(4 if I manage to farm enough for them before going back to base the first time, 3 if not. Normally if I use my first Rally early I get a second rally during the laning, along with my hp pots and heal and that lets me survive quite a bit). I then get infinity edge and bloodthirster, but with the ghostblade coming it that'll change to inf edge -> ghostblade -> bloodthirster. I always get lizard buff when possible, and when I have it I can actually do something in teambattles before crazy equips. With 4 avarices I get the rest of my equips really fast and then it's pretty crazy O_o If my lane isn't super tough(Mundo + Shaco for instance, or Ryze + Annie... you know), I mostly like to have my lane partner go gank or something so I can lane 1v2 and that works just fine as trynd vs most lanes because of his Q skill's heal. If I'm able to do that I can get an inf edge after 4 avarices around 22-24 minutes, after which the opponents might be pretty screwed. Early on people say Trynd is useless, however he can be of some use in the small skirmishes even with just his 3-4 avarices. He'll crit a plenty of time and his slow is still great. If you get the lizard buff early(I always get it the moment I have my avarices), you can even gank a little, although mostly it'll be just saving towers and such. After you have your inf edge and the avarices, the time is completely on your side and you'll be almost sure to win later in the game. In team battles, my general strategy(with allies that don't suck) is to wait for the tank or initiator to initiate, after which I'll spin towards the closest squishy in their team(Ashe, Shaco, Annie, Ryze) and mocking shout, then attack them. If they have some stun or disable, I use my cleanse, although most of them should be spent on the tank / initiator. 99% of the squishies run around as I spin, and I get a slow off and then they die. If they don't run, they almost always die to my dps. After that, my crit procs have given me another spin, and I spin to another squishy and kill him as well, or if I'm low hp I ulti, hit a bit of stuff, then spin away and heal with Q. But basically, you want to spin from squishy to squishy and slow them when needed until only the tanks are left, after which you can concentrate on killing them. Mocking shout, although said to be an useless skill, really downs the DPS of the opposing team even if they only have a couple of DPS champions, and it generally slows at least a couple of them. I also almost always have a Lizard buff going, so the chasing won't be a problem. Well... with an average 10/5/15 game that I can have in nearly all of my games where the allies aren't terrible, I'll normally have something like shoes, edge, bloodthirster, phantom edge, frozen mallet(banshee veil if needed, however cleanse can be enough if they don't specifically save their disables for you) at like 40 minutes into the game because of the Avarice blades. After that, and even before it(actually a Bloodthirster along with the edge and the avarices should be enough vs most teams) you can just spin around and kill stuff, always concentrating on the squishies, ignoring the tanks the best you can. Huge problems are exhaust and Teemo, which... well, they counter nearly every champion. I guess you should just hope they use them on someone else, but if not, then your best bet is to try to... run or spin away and wait until the exhaust is over. However, that counters just about every DPS and it sucks, but well not much you can do about it(I don't think divine counters exhaust, if it does that'd be awesome). Hmm that's quite a bit of crap >_> But anyway, if someone would like to play with me and my friend on EU, reply here ^^ doesn't matter if you're not awesome, we're not either, but you really shouldn't be a total nub (dps rammus no ty). | ||
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Gao Xi
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hasuprotoss
United States4690 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
that would be my guess at least. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
and yea haunting guise is a lifesteal item for mages now. If i understand it correctly it will only be viable on a few people anyway. (singed, Nasus(HIS ULT IS MAGIC!!), etc) anyone with an AOE DoT should benefit greatly from this item.. ryze even perhaps if you build him tanky but he got nerfed | ||
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