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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 06 2010 21:47 GMT
#2501
he sure can pick Jax though!
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
April 06 2010 23:13 GMT
#2502
one would think that after ~1600 games (assuming he has a 50% win record which from your story i highly doubt) that he would have learned basic not-feeding skills and learn to back the fuck up when you're alone and enemy heroes are mia.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 07 2010 02:39 GMT
#2503
On April 06 2010 10:31 oberon wrote:
Cho'Gath needs 40 for level 1 rupture, though I'm not sure that's as spammable.

Last hit the creeps for the mana regen!
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 13:02:33
April 07 2010 03:46 GMT
#2504
On April 07 2010 11:39 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 10:31 oberon wrote:
Cho'Gath needs 40 for level 1 rupture, though I'm not sure that's as spammable.

Last hit the creeps for the mana regen!


At level 1, this is 8 mana per last-hit. With the builds being discussed, you're regenerating almost that much *every second*.

That said, rupture's range is excellent, and unlike the other characters who are eligible for this, Cho is a tank, which is a huge plus (I think rupture has the longest range of any tank's skill). I'm not sure who the best champ to pair him with is. Janna? Heimer? Sivir? Anivia? Which of the other very-long-range champs would get the most use from innervating locket? Or do you go dual soul-shroud?

As long as you're running a silly double-MM lane, might as well run another cheesy build in the other lane. How about a Shaco with all crit-damage runes, open with longsword/jitb, kill lizard when it spawns, take deceive at level 2, then deceive for auto crit (+100%) + crit damage runes(+50.61%) + + shaco's passive(+25%) + masteries (+10%) on his base damage of 50 + 20 from longsword + 3 from masteries times 1.05 from masteries = 218.92 damage (plus lizard buff -- not sure what that adds). Gotta run ignite as a summoner spell, of course (maybe exhaust too?). The longsword even builds into madred's for him. Not sure who best pairs with that, nor who you'd want for solo mid on this team.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 07 2010 05:26 GMT
#2505
I just find that with my passive regen and my runes/masteries, taking a regen pendant and only rupturing once per wave when I can hit one that will kill 2+ minions or a champ and all 3 caster waves (maybe 2 champions), I can rupture once each wave. I find that for Cho flat regen in the blue is better, but right now I'm running about half and half flat mana regen and cooldown per level because the passive regen is really all I need (on SR). I try to get solo mid, though, and that really makes it easy on me.

If I were in a lane, I'd probably take a sapphire crystal and a health pot because like you said, the regen wouldn't let me spam it anyway and the sapphire crystal builds into catalyst, which is important in a cho build when you're laning on the sides. Middle you don't have to because you start to stack out feast way earlier and you don't need the mana recovery because you'll be grabbing golem with feast really early, plus your passive lets you rupture kill the wraiths in 2 hits for exp/hp/mp regen.

As a side note, I do that with shaco anyway without the crit runes (armor pen!) and run exhaust/ignite. Usually I open boots because the lizard lets you kill as long as you can catch. Sometimes it gets me the double first blood though haha.

Usually I try to hit mid with it because it basically wins the game :D.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 07 2010 06:19 GMT
#2506
so I just played a solo queue going AP Ezreal and our team was
me
Morgana
Shen
Soraka
Ashe

It was hilarious... team babysit Ashe ftw :p. like, the battle would start up, they'd try to focus ashe, black shield, they try to just attack, essense flux + soraka shit, things get too hairy, here comes shen ult, lmao. I think Ashe ended with double the kills of the rest of the team combined :p.
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bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
April 07 2010 06:21 GMT
#2507
Redtooth, mind changing your sig? It's fcking up the formatting =(
A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isnt' there. -Charles Darwin
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 07:37:10
April 07 2010 07:31 GMT
#2508
On April 07 2010 15:21 InsideTheBox wrote:
Redtooth, mind changing your sig? It's fcking up the formatting =(
yeah the mods PM'd me about it. they said my old sig might cause itching.

zerg_russian you still learning shaco? you go boots over fort pot?
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LaiGGu
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Finland24 Posts
April 07 2010 10:52 GMT
#2509
What would be good lane partner for katarina? My friend is playing katarina, but i still dont have any clue what champion to play (pretty new to the game, lvl 13 atm).
No need for too high level stuff, just what champions might work (soraka for heals? morgana for snare?)
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
April 07 2010 12:22 GMT
#2510
Morgana but for Black Shield, not the snare. Katarinas Ult is great but can be interrupted. BS prevents that.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 07 2010 12:54 GMT
#2511
On April 07 2010 19:52 LaiGGu wrote:
What would be good lane partner for katarina? My friend is playing katarina, but i still dont have any clue what champion to play (pretty new to the game, lvl 13 atm).
No need for too high level stuff, just what champions might work (soraka for heals? morgana for snare?)


I wouldn't worry too much -- play a champ you're comfortable with, and you should be ok. If I were to specifically recommend someone, it would be someone with good range and perhaps some CC, two things where Kat is lacking. Ashe's frost arrow/volley, as just one example, would give Kat a nice slow enemy to shunpo on to and start bringing the pain. Mundo's cleaver, Cho's rupture, Morgana's snare...you're not starved for choices.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 07 2010 13:17 GMT
#2512
On April 07 2010 14:26 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
As a side note, I do that with shaco anyway without the crit runes (armor pen!) and run exhaust/ignite. Usually I open boots because the lizard lets you kill as long as you can catch. Sometimes it gets me the double first blood though haha.

Usually I try to hit mid with it because it basically wins the game :D.


You need boots even with exhaust?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 14:54:20
April 07 2010 14:52 GMT
#2513
On April 07 2010 15:19 Mogwai wrote:
It was hilarious... team babysit Ashe ftw :p. like, the battle would start up, they'd try to focus ashe, black shield, they try to just attack, essense flux + soraka shit, things get too hairy, here comes shen ult, lmao. I think Ashe ended with double the kills of the rest of the team combined :p.


Jax-babysit teams are more lame >_>

... not that I haven't done it myself.

On April 07 2010 08:13 redtooth wrote:
one would think that after ~1600 games (assuming he has a 50% win record which from your story i highly doubt) that he would have learned basic not-feeding skills and learn to back the fuck up when you're alone and enemy heroes are mia.


Speaking of which, I'd forgotten, but the very same guy requested Karth ult to finish some people; Turkey was like uhhhhh, okay... well it did nothing but break the turtle stance? And the guy was like OMG WTF BS IT STOPPED THE ULT.

We were kinda speechless.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 07 2010 15:04 GMT
#2514
On April 07 2010 23:52 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2010 15:19 Mogwai wrote:
It was hilarious... team babysit Ashe ftw :p. like, the battle would start up, they'd try to focus ashe, black shield, they try to just attack, essense flux + soraka shit, things get too hairy, here comes shen ult, lmao. I think Ashe ended with double the kills of the rest of the team combined :p.


Jax-babysit teams are more lame >_>

... not that I haven't done it myself.

well... yea... I mean, Jax is already a huge pain in the ass to kill. When he has a bunch of people babysitting him, he could go off and grab a cup of coffee at the start of a teamfight and come back just in time to hear the "Penta Kill!" announcement.

On April 07 2010 23:52 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2010 08:13 redtooth wrote:
one would think that after ~1600 games (assuming he has a 50% win record which from your story i highly doubt) that he would have learned basic not-feeding skills and learn to back the fuck up when you're alone and enemy heroes are mia.


Speaking of which, I'd forgotten, but the very same guy requested Karth ult to finish some people; Turkey was like uhhhhh, okay... well it did nothing but break the turtle stance? And the guy was like OMG WTF BS IT STOPPED THE ULT.

We were kinda speechless.

rofl, I guess that's what happens when you only play 1 character, but shit, with was many games as he has, you'd think that he'd at least have a basic understanding of how other characters work.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 16:47:56
April 07 2010 16:41 GMT
#2515
It is time for...

Jax Ezreal Soraka Shen Zilean

O lawd.

Edit:
On that note, considering the deadly viciousness of such a team, I'm surprised I haven't seen more of them. I'm finding it brutally tough killing Soraka-supported teams of late >_o
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#2516
I'd do it.

I love playing silly strategies.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 17:00:33
April 07 2010 16:59 GMT
#2517
I don't think it's a "silly" strategy by any means. I've been steamrolled by it like 3-4 times and I barely managed to fight one back duo-queue with Turkey when we were Twitch and Sivir (some 10-20 pages back when I was like OMGWTFBBQ). It's a legit, good strategy (harkens back to the days of Kayle Twitch) that has incredible pushing power, great map control (by inserting Shen) and a filthy late-game. Obviously you could tweak the heroes more (I believe when I was playing against it, Shen wasn't out yet so it was Taric instead of Shen, and Nidalee instead of Ezreal), but yeah.

Maybe the problem is that there aren't really that many "good" Jax players, and it's tough finding enough players that can play a semi-support role.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 17:30:05
April 07 2010 17:27 GMT
#2518
well, I guess silly's the wrong word... unconventional maybe?

My point being that I like unusual team compositions that look to work outside of the simple, Tank initiates and disables and then everyone blows their burst damage load team fight strategy.

EDIT: and oh, I don't really know what constitutes a "good" Jax... like, what does he have to do? it seems outside of last hitting well early to keep your build on track and having a decent build, there's not a whole lot to think about with him... *shrugs* I dunno, I've just never felt like anything outside of build has made me think that my team's Jax is "good" or "bad"
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
April 07 2010 17:50 GMT
#2519
On April 07 2010 19:52 LaiGGu wrote:
What would be good lane partner for katarina? My friend is playing katarina, but i still dont have any clue what champion to play (pretty new to the game, lvl 13 atm).
No need for too high level stuff, just what champions might work (soraka for heals? morgana for snare?)
solo mid.

if not then someone with stun or heal/shield. blitz is always a fun laning partner and alistar never gets old. i'd imagine janna and ez are good too. with kat early game hyper aggression will win the day. so whatever helps that, whether it is another hero that can harass aggressively or a hero that can support you in your aggression. get an edge early and you can totally shut down your opponents.

oh and IMO soraka is better laning with someone who has mana.


On April 08 2010 02:27 Mogwai wrote:
and oh, I don't really know what constitutes a "good" Jax...
you can afford dodge runes.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 07 2010 18:09 GMT
#2520
One of the biggest problems I have with Jax, and really most tanking heroes as a whole (which is why I struggle with Malphite vs Ashe, unless the Ashe is giving chase - I have trouble initiating against a retreating Ashe), is that I tend to go ahead of my team. Particularly in the case of Jax, I have a habit of leaping into combat, beating my team to the punch. With a babysit team this isn't as big of a deal, but when playing in a normal 5v5 I tend to be focus'd down really fast.

Leaving that aside, build (you'd be surprised how many people build him badly), farming speed (many people are sloooooooooow in this game), understanding of when you can kill what (mostly Jax experience), target selection, and stun timing really factors into the skill level of a Jax.

It's especially visible if you play, for instance, a Twitch against Jax. Good Jaxes will absolutely not let you go. Bad Jaxes will leap into combat and not have it in time to leap to you.
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