Torchlight II - Page 72

On September 28 2012 10:49 Tabbris wrote:
So uhh thinking about getting this game. Anyone have a honest opinion on how it compares to d3?

On September 28 2012 11:18 EchelonTee wrote:

Since this is the TL2 thread, I think most people here would be a bit biased against d3 :p I actually enjoyed D3 quite a bit, so I'll give you a short comparison of the two games. Note: I reached A3 of D3 Inferno, but am only lvl51/100 in TL2.

Diablo 3
+Combat system a joy to play with. Combat is very fluid and responsive.
+Skill runes and easy respec means experimenting with different builds is very easy.
+A very large community, with a large supply of theory crafting, items, and discussion.
+Blizzard has shown that it's committed to balancing the classes (1.4 updates trying to make WD better, legendaries, etc)

~Atmosphere is very dark, graphics are very realistic. Down to your preference.
~Auction house, very controversial. Most dislike how it cheapens the equipment gaining process; if you don't mind the fact that the vast majority of gear you loot will be inferior to what you can buy, AH is convenient.

-Difficulty is implemented in a very frustrating manner; dying to Jailer/Molten/Invulnerable/Mortar is never, ever fun.
-Gear is hilariously boring for the most part. Only recently has legendary gear gained interesting affixes, before it was simply hunting for that +20 all resist boost.
-If you want to be optimal in Inferno, there are only 2-3 viable builds per class.

Torchlight 2
+Variable difficulty system implemented very well. I main on Elite because I like the toughness, but I can also play on Normal with my friends and faceroll everything.
+Loot system a joy to have. You can assemble sets around lvl10-12 with pretty neat affixs. You can get Uniques with awesome procs at any point in the leveling process. You can get good gear at any of the difficulties. There are multiple unique socketable effects. The fact that requirements are either by Level, or a certain amount of Attributes is neat.
+Multiple builds viable for each class. You can be full tank sword+board engy, Cannoneer, DPS/AOE engy, etc.
+Completely randomized dungeons. Playthroughs never get stale, as long as you enjoy your build.
+Mods.

~Atmosphere is cartoony and light. Once again down to preference.
~Story is very very thin; you'll only really care about it if Alchemist was your homeboy in Torchlight 1.
~No respecs. A controversial topic; I just use respec potions to get around it :x

-Combat can be a little stiff at times, do to the lack of animation canceling. Not the biggest deal, some people hate it.
-Small community, means finding "optimal" builds difficult.
-Balanced PvP is not planned.

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My personal, biased take on the two games is that while Diablo was flashy and cool, it was frustrating frustrating frustrating. Torchlight is game that you can make your own and have fun with in any way you want. So you hear that the best build on Outlander is Glaive Spam? Screw that, go dual pistols max strength. Hear that Fire tree is best for mages? Whatever, max ice because you feel like it. And with the way Torchlight is designed, you can get the gear and the skills to make whatever build you want viable, as long as you theorycraft it well.

On September 28 2012 07:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Ravage does not grant mana steal. Wolfstrike also does not grant mana steal. Eviscerate does grant mana steal though. Not using any other skills so hard to test at the moment. Stealing mana is pretty meaningless though as Battle Standard grants infinite mana once you get it the tier one bonus. If you want to extrapolate these effects to life steal as well I could see it working the same way.

On September 28 2012 11:53 Rad wrote:


You sure eviscerate can steal mana? I have a 10 mana stolen on hit gem which registers on normal attack (+10 mana text floats, mana globe jumps up) but it doesn't happen on eviscerate (no text and the mana globe drops 30 mana as expected from the skill's cost).

On September 28 2012 11:48 WArped wrote:

I agree with all your comparisons about the two games and their differences good and bad, one other thing to mention is the actual environments in Torchlight (in my opinion) are designed a lot better in terms of detail put into them, not so much the dungeons, but the actual out of town, exploring environments. Some of the areas are also massive compared to some of the exploration areas in Diablo 3, could be frustrating, but there seems to be more to explore in Torchlight 2, which is a plus for me.

On September 28 2012 12:20 Silidons wrote:

The thing I disagree with most from the post you quoted, is that D3 does NOT have 2-3 viable builds per class. Every class uses the same exact build with regards to strategy, and they might switch out 1 or 2 abilites. But the actual combat never changes. In TL2, you use completely different abilities if you go cannon, 2h, or 1h + shield. Mages use either fire, arcane, or frost. etc etc

On September 28 2012 12:23 EchelonTee wrote:

Hmm, as a Demon Hunter pre-patch that was definitely true (nether tentacles anyone?), but post-patch I thought there was at least duality in terms of builds; you could be a tank DH with gloom and rely on lifesteal/DoT, or rely on the tried and true burst/kite build. Not sure about other classes.

I don't disagree with you though; I put that 2-3 viable builds in the Cons section for a reason; TL2 is much, much more variable in terms of builds. Just trying to be fair to D3 :p

On September 28 2012 10:56 EchelonTee wrote:
When I was using console to warp to different maps/spawn weapons+units, sometimes my game would freeze in a weird way. I could still hover over NPCs, but I couldn't move, had no minimap, and this extended to my other characters who hadn't used any console commands. It was fixed when I un-enabled console, but was pretty strange, not just a standard crash. Is this just an overload of the system that's to be expected when using console, or a bug of some sorts?

Also, when in multiplayer, I've found that if you kill off a boss for a quest when someone in the party isn't in the same room, that boss is dead forever unless the world is rerolled. This mostly comes up when someone dies, respawns, and the boss is killed while they are still in town. Is this intentional, or will there be a fix of some sorts for it?

Thanks for all the work you guys do ^^

On September 28 2012 11:48 WArped wrote:

I agree with all your comparisons about the two games and their differences good and bad, one other thing to mention is the actual environments in Torchlight (in my opinion) are designed a lot better in terms of detail put into them, not so much the dungeons, but the actual out of town, exploring environments. Some of the areas are also massive compared to some of the exploration areas in Diablo 3, could be frustrating, but there seems to be more to explore in Torchlight 2, which is a plus for me.

On September 28 2012 12:56 BurningSera wrote:
If you are coming from the real diablo (d1/d2) generation there is no doubt you will like TL2. If you are a hardcore D2 fan (as in love the game so fcking much), you would be hurt by D3 and TL2 is your cure.

On September 29 2012 00:09 Novalisk wrote:


Both D3 and TL2 have their strong points and their weak points.

The weakest point of Torchlight 2 for me is multiplayer, there are just so many exploits and overpowered builds that cripple the long term enjoyment of multiplayer. As a single player game, TL2 handily beats D3, it's not even close.

On September 29 2012 00:09 Novalisk wrote:


Both D3 and TL2 have their strong points and their weak points.

The weakest point of Torchlight 2 for me is multiplayer, there are just so many exploits and overpowered builds that cripple the long term enjoyment of multiplayer. As a single player game, TL2 handily beats D3, it's not even close.

On September 29 2012 01:18 Ethenielle wrote:
Do any of you guys have experience with a melee mage? I got to act3 on elite, at which point boss mobs oneshot me(literally). My stat distribution is a 1:1 ratio between str/vit, with a few random pts in focus and dex. Maxed skills are magma mace, fire brand, immolation aura, death's bounty and boon, 1pters are hailstorm, blink, prismatic passive thingy and the freezing passive. I also use 1h+shield for obvious reasons, and pretty much all my gear is HP stacked. Lvl 42 and ~100-300 hp on most of my gear.

And I just. Can't. Survive. Tips?

On September 29 2012 01:08 BurningSera wrote:


And runic simply dont have the resources and man power to run a closed server, may be a limited private server is possible but I couldn't care less. Runic will be another blizz north just like they made D1/2, good words will spread and people will make TL2 huge enough to make a better TL3 happen. Seriously why do people care about cheating etc? People cheat all time in closed server anyway.