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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Stats may not tell the whole story, but just listing points is even worse. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On February 20 2010 17:18 igotmyown wrote: Dwight Howard got reduced to a taller Ben Wallace in the finals. FG% and turnovers matter... Game 1: 1 for 6, 10-16 ft, 2 turnovers. So 12 points in 16 possessions? Game 2: 5 for 10, 7-9 ft, 7 turnovers. 17 points in 21ish possessions? Game 3: 5 for 6, 11-16 ft, 1 turnover. 21 points in 15 possessions (guess which game orlando won, by the way) Game 4: 5 for 12, 6-14 ft, 7 turnovers. 16 points in 26 possessions. Game 5: 5 for 9, 1-3 ft, 3 turnovers. 11 points in 13 possessions. Meanwhile Pau had 5 turnovers the whole series, never shot under .500, Game 1: 7-12, 2-2, 2 turnovers. Game 2: 7-14, 10-11, 0 turnovers Game 3: 9-11, 5-6, 1 turnover Game 4: 7-14, 2-4, 1 turnover Game 5: 6-9, 2-4, 1 turnover I won't say it was Pau Gasol, but Dwight got manhandled games 2 and 4, and game 1 was pretty bad too. Definitely not what I expected. Have you ever seen Dwight Howard play? He is an absolutely awful offensive player. I've had the "pleasure" of watching almost every Orlando game since Dwight was drafted, and he's had so many offensive nights like the ones in the '09 finals that I lost count years ago. His turnovers are always amplified due to the insane number of offensive fouls he picks up (I am 100% certain he's led the league in offensive fouls the last 3 years). Dwight will get frustrated in the first quarter and then just mail it in until the fourth in some games. Up until recently he had absolutely no clue how to pass out of a double team, and he still gets the ball stripped from him at an alarming rate. Moreover, Gasol wasn't even the primary defender on Dwight, Bynum was. The same goes for Gasol's offensive stats; Lewis was guarding him. I have no idea why you brought those stats up. Gasol's primary task with Howard was to help to keep him off the boards (team effort, no single player in the NBA can do that by himself), and that did not happen. In that same game 4 with the 7 turnovers, Dwight had 21 boards and 9 blocks (the "manhandler" had 10 reb/0 blk). Also, while the stat is flawed, Dwight's scoring efficiency for the series was 1.79, compared to Pau's 1.55. Lastly, you need to stop throwing in random statistics just for the hell of it. You're adding possessions for all of Dwight's turnovers, which is idiotic. Even if Gasol WERE guarding Dwight, a turnover caused by Dwight running over a Laker guard (presumably the Oscar-winning D-Fish) has nothing to do with the manhandling in question. Did Gasol use his psychic powers to force Dwight into committing that offensive foul? Now consider that Pau wasn't the primary defender, and we're left with no other conclusion than you having no idea what you're saying. Oh, and your possession count doesn't even take and-1s into consideration. If you're considering taking that college math class, I'd advise against it. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
And let me throw in more meaningless stats which completely coincidentally don't go well with some of your arguments. Minutes Game 1: Bynum 22:23, Gasol 37:18, Howard 34:58 Game 2: Bynum 16:24, Gasol 43:53, Howard 47:10 Game 3: Bynum 23:20, Gasol 39:47, Howard 43:05 Game 4: Bynum 15:40, Gasol 49:16, Howard 48:45 Game 5: Bynum 16:54, Gasol 42:09, Howard 39:12 Oh, and your and-1 count, tell me how many and 1's Dwight Howard had during the finals. + Show Spoiler + Here you go http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard?date=20090614. I even ran through one for you http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay/_/id/290614019/period/4/la-lakers-lakers-vs-orlando-magic. I counted 1 and one, and lo and behold, I assumed 1 and one attempt in my counting | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
They might make 4th seed at this rate. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
I also enjoyed reading how my admission of scoring efficiency being a flawed stat turns into "listing scoring efficiency without remorse." Your MPG stats don't change anything. Bynum _WAS_ the primary defender on Dwight, he just didn't last too long into the games for a multitude of reasons. Firstly, he was anemic on offense since returning from the injury. This wasn't just because of Howard's defense, as Bynum sucked it up in the previous three series as well. Secondly, he was very prone to fouling. When Bynum went out, they did not leave Gasol out by himself against Howard. Almost every time he touched the ball, someone (usually Bryant) came for the immediate double. Why does it matter what the actual number of and-1s is? Your formula does not account for them, and is therefore flawed. edit: As for your edit about accounting for the lone and-1 in game 5, you only did so because he shot an odd number of FTs in that game. In the three games with an even number of FTs, you make a potentially erroneous assumption of two FTs per trip in calculating the total number of possessions. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On February 20 2010 19:20 igotmyown wrote: And Bobcats are quietly getting scary. Stephen Jackson and now Tyrus Thomas. And since when did Theo Ratliff play for the Bobcats? They might make 4th seed at this rate. Ok you've lost it v_v. They'll MAYBE make the 5th seed. No way they are better than Atlanta or Boston. Tyrus Thomas is still overrated. and wtf Theo Ratliff is on the Bobcats? Sigh, too bad he's no longer the defensive beast he used to be. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Unless you're sending him to me ^_^ | ||
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tonight
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
fuck Cavs yo | ||
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tonight
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:41 tonight wrote: Would never happen, I'm sorry There's actually a chance of that happening, especially considering how well the Bobcats seem to match up against Clevland. The Bobcats are the East's version of OKC / Memphis... they're this young/fiesty/scrappy team that may not have what it takes to go deep into the playoffs but DO have what it takes to play really inspired ball for 5-6 games and stun a high seed in the 1st round. | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
it'll be interesting to see how his knee holds up | ||
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DN2perfectionGM
United States233 Posts
seems to be a lot of things that i want to do that i can't do nowadays T.T | ||
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
but it's good to see him playing well | ||
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DN2perfectionGM
United States233 Posts
haha good old days... | ||
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bdams19
United States1316 Posts
a man can dream | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
Anyone watching can say if he is just shooting well but doesn't look physically the same or something? | ||
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