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Canada1957 Posts
So the trade deadline is quickly approaching, and I wanted to know how my fantasy team is doing.
I'm in first place and I used to dominate in boards, blocks, steals, and assists. Ever since Oden went down my team has been transitioning, and I no longer dominate blocks. I usually win FT%, boards, 3s all the time, and steals, points and assists on a good week with many games.
I was once offered LBJ for Iggy and Duncan when both were hot. I didn't do it at the time because if it ain't broke don't fix it. I didn't want to mess up the core of my team and risk losing in other categories because even though LBJ is an upgrade of Iggy, Duncan's stats are hard to find on the wire. Also, if I traded Duncan my only C would be Noah. Now Iggy started to decline and Duncan will probably get DNPs because of Pop. Should I still do it if the other owner is willing? My thinking is if you are on the side dealing 2 players for 1 you usually win because a stud can pop up on the waiver wire.
Standard 8 cat.
PG: Nelson, Kidd, Baron Davis, Collison
SG: Iggy, Durant, Salmons
C: Duncan, Noah
PF: Beasley, Aldridge
SF: Gallinari, Lewis
Nelson, Salmons, Aldridge, Beasley, and Lewis can either beast or go cold. It's sort of hard to do trades with small names in this league.
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how many teams in the league, how many starting roster slots and how many total roster slots?
You are trying to evaluate a 2 for 1 trade and to do that effectively, you have to have an understanding of penetration rate and replacement values.
In a shallow league, you should generally be very hesitant to do a 2 for 1 where you trade the best player in the deal. The idea is that there are plenty of quality players on the free agent wire and so you should go for quality rather than quantity. In a deep league where there are slim pickings on the free agent wire and you are forced to start marginal bench players in your lineup, a 2 for 1 can be the right move.
Judging by your lineup, I'm thinking that your league probably has 8-10 teams. If that is the case, I would certainly do the deal for lebron. In fact, I would go even further and try to do another 2 for 1 and trade noah + a player for another superior player and just punt blocks altogether. I would target a player like david lee that can play center and excels in most of the categories besides blocks. I'm guessing that guys like lewis and nelson are riding your bench and those are guys that have the potential to step up and deliver 2nd to 3rd round value and come close to replacing Iggy. On the other hand, there is no one in the entire NBA, now that paul is down, that can come close to matching Lebron's fantasy value.
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Yea, Lebron is officially "the" King of fantasy now that CP3 is gone. Also the thing about Iggy you must remember is that he's a "1.5" Tier player: Superstar status without the most important Superstar feature - scoring. He does everything very well except consistent scoring, and has some awful shooting slumps to go with it so you can find value for him by "selling" his strong points in trade talks. He's nice to have but not always wanted.
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Canada1957 Posts
Alright thanks guys. Yeah it's a 10 player league and I forgot to mention that. It has 10 starting roster slots, a 13 total player slots, and a daily rotation.
I was also offered LBJ for Durant and Noah, but I thought that Durant+LBJ would pretty much guarantee wins in a lot of categories. And you're right about Iggy especially with the coaching staff distributing shots to many other players and limiting him.
So, in the long run and considering playoffs, would the Durant+Noah or Duncan+Iggy trade benefit my team more?
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Canada1957 Posts
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kevin durant is insaneeeeee O_O
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United States4471 Posts
I don't see how you can hesitate, even for a moment, on the prospect of trading Duncan & Iguodala for Lebron. That's a no-brainer, particularly in 8-cat where you don't count TOs. Mind-boggling to not accept that trade before the other manager wakes up.
Durant & Noah for Lebron is actually much more fair, but I still think you do the trade. Durant's only significant advantage over Lebron is in FT%, otherwise Lebron is about even or better in every other category. You can't beat Lebron's across the board dominance, and his minor weakness in FT% doesn't come close to cancelling that out. With Lebron, you're getting elite PG level 3p/g, ast/g and stl/g, and elite PF/C level FG% reb/g and blk/g, from the SF position. That means he can compensate for any deficiencies, and make you dominant in your strengths.
Miss out on an elite PG? With Lebron you only need a few mid-level PGs to compete in AST. Miss out on elite PF/C? With Lebron you only need a few mid-level PF/Cs to compete in FG%, REB and BLK. The biggest strength of Lebron, fantasy-wise remains his great production in scarce stats like AST, STL and BLK, while being above average in every other category except FT% and TOs. No brainer.
Edit: Lebron is better for H2H because he can help you dominate more categories. Durant isnt outstanding in any category except PTS and FT%, whereas Lebron gives you big numbers in PTS, AST, REB, STL, and BLK.
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I'm so angered by Paul going down again.
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On February 03 2010 19:50 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Edit: Lebron is better for H2H because he can help you dominate more categories. Durant isnt outstanding in any category except PTS and FT%, whereas Lebron gives you big numbers in PTS, AST, REB, STL, and BLK.
i don't think you're giving durant enough value here. you say lebron can give big numbers in pts, ast, rebs, stl and blk but durant gives basically the same production (with the exception of ast). you have to keep in mind that durant's numbers aren't too far off.
lebron only has a 0.1 edge in both steals and blocks while durant is actually a +0.3 in rebounds. not to mention durant, while he doesn't shoot at 50% from the field like lebron, is very close to it at just under 49%.
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Lebron and Durant are both dominant in bball.... you're lucky if you can get either one. Especially if you don't have to give up a first round pick ie. duncan + iggy.
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bobcats are looking to sell apparently (100 M + in debt and projected to lose tens of millions in the next few years)....
.... come to NYC GERALD
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United States4471 Posts
On February 03 2010 21:09 unknown.sam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 19:50 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Edit: Lebron is better for H2H because he can help you dominate more categories. Durant isnt outstanding in any category except PTS and FT%, whereas Lebron gives you big numbers in PTS, AST, REB, STL, and BLK. i don't think you're giving durant enough value here. you say lebron can give big numbers in pts, ast, rebs, stl and blk but durant gives basically the same production (with the exception of ast). you have to keep in mind that durant's numbers aren't too far off. lebron only has a 0.1 edge in both steals and blocks while durant is actually a +0.3 in rebounds. not to mention durant, while he doesn't shoot at 50% from the field like lebron, is very close to it at just under 49%.
Lebron's advantage in AST is huge, and it's one of those categories that's tough to compete in because of the relatively small number of quality players who contribute well in that category. Having those assists coming from your SF is even better. Further, Lebron's high AST numbers help to make up for his high TOs, since they're typically mutually exclusive categories. On the other hand, Durant produces fewer assists than he does TOs, which is about the same (or more if over the past 2 months) amount of TOs as Lebron.
As for Lebron's advantage in STL and BLK, you'd be surprised how big a difference a 0.02 advantage in steals and 0.01 advantage in blocks can be. Also, if you look at their performance over the last 2 months, Lebron's advantage in both categories jumps to 0.6 and 0.4 respectively. Now THAT is a significant advantage.
Durant's biggest advantage is his FT% production. In fact, he leads the league in positive impact in that category due to the volume of FTs he takes while making them at such a high %. However, if you take away FT% as a category, Durant falls far behind Lebron. When you consider that Lebron's FT% value isn't even bad, it's just that Durant's is so high, it becomes apparent that Lebron is clearly better than Durant fantasy-wise.
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On February 05 2010 09:42 DN2perfectionGM wrote:
MIKE DUNLEAVY FIRED!
still GM so you're still fucked.
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On February 05 2010 12:35 KOFgokuon wrote:
that's gotta be awkward
I would agree except they're the clippers so I would assume after all these years of looking up to see championship banners in your "home" stadium that aren't yours, awkward is second nature.
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On February 05 2010 04:25 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 21:09 unknown.sam wrote:On February 03 2010 19:50 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Edit: Lebron is better for H2H because he can help you dominate more categories. Durant isnt outstanding in any category except PTS and FT%, whereas Lebron gives you big numbers in PTS, AST, REB, STL, and BLK. i don't think you're giving durant enough value here. you say lebron can give big numbers in pts, ast, rebs, stl and blk but durant gives basically the same production (with the exception of ast). you have to keep in mind that durant's numbers aren't too far off. lebron only has a 0.1 edge in both steals and blocks while durant is actually a +0.3 in rebounds. not to mention durant, while he doesn't shoot at 50% from the field like lebron, is very close to it at just under 49%. Lebron's advantage in AST is huge, and it's one of those categories that's tough to compete in because of the relatively small number of quality players who contribute well in that category. Having those assists coming from your SF is even better. Further, Lebron's high AST numbers help to make up for his high TOs, since they're typically mutually exclusive categories. On the other hand, Durant produces fewer assists than he does TOs, which is about the same (or more if over the past 2 months) amount of TOs as Lebron. As for Lebron's advantage in STL and BLK, you'd be surprised how big a difference a 0.02 advantage in steals and 0.01 advantage in blocks can be. Also, if you look at their performance over the last 2 months, Lebron's advantage in both categories jumps to 0.6 and 0.4 respectively. Now THAT is a significant advantage. Durant's biggest advantage is his FT% production. In fact, he leads the league in positive impact in that category due to the volume of FTs he takes while making them at such a high %. However, if you take away FT% as a category, Durant falls far behind Lebron. When you consider that Lebron's FT% value isn't even bad, it's just that Durant's is so high, it becomes apparent that Lebron is clearly better than Durant fantasy-wise.
i wasn't disputing the fact that lebron is obviously better than durant fantasy-wise. he's probably the most dominant player in the whole of fantasy land.
i was just nitpicking at your previous post where you said (or at least that's how the message came across to me) that durant was only good at pts and fts when he can clearly contribute decent numbers in rebs, stl and blk.
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Christ Billups, hit more 3s please.
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