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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
October 10 2009 17:37 GMT
#21
lol @ that John Tesh concert video.
wtf was that signature
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 10 2009 17:38 GMT
#22
i don't think magic will do as well.
lakers vs spurs west finals
cavaliers vs celtics east finals

lakers vs celtics finals
lakers repeat champions
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
October 10 2009 17:52 GMT
#23
Hm, no way Celtics beat Cavs IMO. Adding Rasheed who has been terrible lately won't help vs the Cavs who have improved a lot. Lebron almost beat the Celts by himself last time.

Lebron + Shaq vs Kobe in finals would be so interesting.
wtf was that signature
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
October 10 2009 17:59 GMT
#24
On October 11 2009 02:35 Servolisk wrote:
Hm, looking forward to this Pistons team, even though they aren't contenders, yet... Plz get Amare when Rip expires in 2010!

So how come no one talks much about Amare in 2010? His dominance was unreal he just had some injuries. 37 ppg against Duncan in 2005 WCF O_o (compare to Lebron's 38 ppg vs Howard, or his 22 ppg vs the Spurs in 2007). I would rather build a team around Amare than anyone but Lebron.

Anyway it won't happen this year. This year is very competetive, hard to see which of the top teams will be best.

1. Cavs 2. Magic 3. Lakers

Just to make sure I understood properly, you're saying you'd want to build a team around a guy who:

-Had a catastrophic injury and will never get back the pre-surgery explosiveness he showed in the early 2000s. Moreover, his eyes are a huge concern for the rest of his career.
-Plays the power forward position, but has no upper body strength and gets easily muscled out for rebounding position (his rebounding numbers were inflated significantly due to the recklessly fast-paced suns offense which resulted in more rebounding opportunities).
-Plays the power forward position, but offers absolutely no effort on defense. In the same series you referenced, TD put up 30+ on him nearly every game, and Duncan is not a scoring-minded kind of player. There has never been a franchise player (at least on a winning franchise) who only played one side of the ball, except maybe King, who was a far better offensive weapon than Amare will ever be.
-Despite the lackluster defense, amasses a ton of fouls....he's in Carlos Boozer territory.
-Has a history of behavioral issues and is frequently among the league leaders in Ts.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I guess, but don't expect Joe D to court someone who only plays offense.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
October 10 2009 18:21 GMT
#25
I think the Lakers remain the team to beat simply because the roster is largely the same with the addition of Artest who, if he stays in the system, will make the team better. Toss in potentially better seasons from Farmar (contract year), Brown (more than a few months on the team), Sasha (finally cut off that hair!), and Bynum (health and continued improvement), and there's no reason to not put them up top as favorites.

A lot of people are really high on the Spurs right now, but so much is dependent on an aging, less-durable Duncan, and a continuously less-durable Manu. Sure, the Spurs will be careful and make sure both players are rested and healthy for the postseason, but that doesn't mean that they'll be able to perform as well as they did during their championship years. There's mileage there that reduced minutes can only do so much to counter. RJ and McDyess were great pickups (loved them personally), but I think they just put the Spurs on par with the Lakers, and that's, again, assuming Duncan and Manu can pull out the magic again.

I think people are underestimating the effect of adding Rasheed to the Celtics. People look at last season and conclude that Sheed doesn't have it anymore, but I think they're ignoring the large impact of poor chemistry and a lack of motivation can have on a player as volatile and emotional as Sheed. Put him back on a strong, motivated team that will be very driven to win a championship, and put him in a position where he only has to be the 4th or 5th best player on the team, and I think he's going to make a huge positive impact in Boston. Marquis Daniels has the potential to also be a huge pickup for them if he can stay healthy. He's always been talented and versatile, and his defense and playmaking will fill some needs.

The Cavs are a bit hard to measure because no one knows how Shaq is going to change things, but I don't think expectations can be any lower than 2nd in the East. The roster is largely the same as the one that dominated the regular season (and much of the playoffs) last season, so I don't see much of a dropoff, if any. The playoffs will be a different story, and it remains to be seen whether the Cavs have done enough to put them over the top. I think they'll face stiff competition from two very talented and deep teams in BOS and ORL, with little room for error. I think their best lineup may end up being Mo, AP, Moon, Lebron, and Shaq/Big Z/Varejao.

ORL is an interesting case because Turk was such a big part of what they did. Carter is overall a clear improvement over Turk as an individual player, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll make the Magic better or even the same. Jameer staying all the way through to the postseason will be a significant boost, and the addition of Bass will be good for them.

Overall, I just really like that there are so many strong and contending teams this season (i.e. LAL, SAS, CLE, BOS, ORL, DEN), combined with some very exciting young, developing teams (i.e. POR, OKC, LAC, CHI). A great balance that should produce a very entertaining and fulfilling season.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 10 2009 18:51 GMT
#26
On October 11 2009 02:52 Servolisk wrote:
Hm, no way Celtics beat Cavs IMO. Adding Rasheed who has been terrible lately won't help vs the Cavs who have improved a lot. Lebron almost beat the Celts by himself last time.

Lebron + Shaq vs Kobe in finals would be so interesting.

Celtics can definitely beat the Cavs. We don't know how Shaq will change things in Cleveland, but the Boston trio (KG/Ray/Pierce) on top of several young talents are more than enough to beat them. Bring in Rasheed, an emotional player who has lacked team chemistry and motivation, Boston will be a hell of a team.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
October 10 2009 19:13 GMT
#27
On October 11 2009 02:59 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2009 02:35 Servolisk wrote:
Hm, looking forward to this Pistons team, even though they aren't contenders, yet... Plz get Amare when Rip expires in 2010!

So how come no one talks much about Amare in 2010? His dominance was unreal he just had some injuries. 37 ppg against Duncan in 2005 WCF O_o (compare to Lebron's 38 ppg vs Howard, or his 22 ppg vs the Spurs in 2007). I would rather build a team around Amare than anyone but Lebron.

Anyway it won't happen this year. This year is very competetive, hard to see which of the top teams will be best.

1. Cavs 2. Magic 3. Lakers

Just to make sure I understood properly, you're saying you'd want to build a team around a guy who:

-Had a catastrophic injury and will never get back the pre-surgery explosiveness he showed in the early 2000s. Moreover, his eyes are a huge concern for the rest of his career.
-Plays the power forward position, but has no upper body strength and gets easily muscled out for rebounding position (his rebounding numbers were inflated significantly due to the recklessly fast-paced suns offense which resulted in more rebounding opportunities).
-Plays the power forward position, but offers absolutely no effort on defense. In the same series you referenced, TD put up 30+ on him nearly every game, and Duncan is not a scoring-minded kind of player. There has never been a franchise player (at least on a winning franchise) who only played one side of the ball, except maybe King, who was a far better offensive weapon than Amare will ever be.
-Despite the lackluster defense, amasses a ton of fouls....he's in Carlos Boozer territory.
-Has a history of behavioral issues and is frequently among the league leaders in Ts.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I guess, but don't expect Joe D to court someone who only plays offense.


Yeah. The injury although obviously a bad thing has made me like him more. He regained a lot of what he lost quickly, which says a lot about him.
The eye injury should be OK if he keeps wearing protection.
Upper body strength isn't that important to rebounding IMO.
TD's average was like 27 ppg that series.
wtf was that signature
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
October 10 2009 20:27 GMT
#28
On October 11 2009 02:35 Servolisk wrote:
I would rather build a team around Amare than anyone but Lebron.


Dwight Howard?

2006-2007 Stoudemire plus minus
Stat ON Court OFF Court Net
Minutes 2688 1292 67%
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 115.8 112.4 +3.4
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 108.1 105.4 +2.8
Net Points per 100 Possessions +7.7 +7.1 +0.6
Points Scored 6212 2824 +3388
Points Allowed 5771 2672 +3099
Net Points +441 +152 +289

So you score 7.7 more points per 100 possessions, but you allow 7.1 more points.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 10 2009 21:14 GMT
#29
I really don't think Shaq is going to work in Clevland... I really don't think o
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 11 2009 00:08 GMT
#30
Orlando will always be overrated. Oh well. They got Brandon Bass which will be very ugly for teams without a solid front court.

Jamario Moon is terrible. Unless he improves significantly he probably won't start on the Cavs unless they really have no other option.

Celtics - same old story. Another year, more age. Pretty much in the same position as last year. Hopefully KG won't be out of commission because let's face it we all know Boston > Orl with KG in the lineup EASILY.

Knicks lol just kidding.

Miami - Wade still needs help. Beasley was slightly a bust. Then again taking Mayo at #2 wouldn't have really meant shit.

Philly - no Andre Miller :/ But AI2 is still a monster! They won't go anywhere unless their "pickup" from last year does something like not get hurt.

No one else is really worth talking about yet from the East. Yes this includes CHI and DET.

Lakers - like them a bit more because they beat Orlando in the Finals. Seriously couldn't see how anyone with a brain could possibly think LA would lose to them after the Houston series. Orlando would have needed a miracle and well...yea. Still the favorites due to the Celtics not making it far last year

Spurs - Western version of the Celtics, just not as impressive.

Portland - ^_^. 1 more year of solid development and luck (getting Houston was the worst possible outcome for them) and they are set.

OKC - Portland just 2 years behind.

NOH - dead team. CP3 is the only reason they are even remembered at this point.

Dallas - well it was a nice run but they are just finished.

Suns - kinda like Dallas but with such a fanatical fanbase, and a large one outside of Phoenix also they will always be in the spotlight.

Houston - ridiculously bad luck from Yao's injury to Artest leaving to dealing with T-Mac but they aren't in a deep hole yet.


Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
October 11 2009 01:50 GMT
#31
go houston
seriously
it won't happen but they're a scrappy hard nosed team and i loved their series against the lakers last year
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
October 12 2009 21:10 GMT
#32
NBA draft is tomorrow at 6?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-12 23:31:17
October 12 2009 23:29 GMT
#33
On October 11 2009 03:21 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
I think the Lakers remain the team to beat simply because the roster is largely the same with the addition of Artest who, if he stays in the system, will make the team better. Toss in potentially better seasons from Farmar (contract year), Brown (more than a few months on the team), Sasha (finally cut off that hair!), and Bynum (health and continued improvement), and there's no reason to not put them up top as favorites.

A lot of people are really high on the Spurs right now, but so much is dependent on an aging, less-durable Duncan, and a continuously less-durable Manu. Sure, the Spurs will be careful and make sure both players are rested and healthy for the postseason, but that doesn't mean that they'll be able to perform as well as they did during their championship years. There's mileage there that reduced minutes can only do so much to counter. RJ and McDyess were great pickups (loved them personally), but I think they just put the Spurs on par with the Lakers, and that's, again, assuming Duncan and Manu can pull out the magic again.

I think people are underestimating the effect of adding Rasheed to the Celtics. People look at last season and conclude that Sheed doesn't have it anymore, but I think they're ignoring the large impact of poor chemistry and a lack of motivation can have on a player as volatile and emotional as Sheed. Put him back on a strong, motivated team that will be very driven to win a championship, and put him in a position where he only has to be the 4th or 5th best player on the team, and I think he's going to make a huge positive impact in Boston. Marquis Daniels has the potential to also be a huge pickup for them if he can stay healthy. He's always been talented and versatile, and his defense and playmaking will fill some needs.

The Cavs are a bit hard to measure because no one knows how Shaq is going to change things, but I don't think expectations can be any lower than 2nd in the East. The roster is largely the same as the one that dominated the regular season (and much of the playoffs) last season, so I don't see much of a dropoff, if any. The playoffs will be a different story, and it remains to be seen whether the Cavs have done enough to put them over the top. I think they'll face stiff competition from two very talented and deep teams in BOS and ORL, with little room for error. I think their best lineup may end up being Mo, AP, Moon, Lebron, and Shaq/Big Z/Varejao.

ORL is an interesting case because Turk was such a big part of what they did. Carter is overall a clear improvement over Turk as an individual player, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll make the Magic better or even the same. Jameer staying all the way through to the postseason will be a significant boost, and the addition of Bass will be good for them.

Overall, I just really like that there are so many strong and contending teams this season (i.e. LAL, SAS, CLE, BOS, ORL, DEN), combined with some very exciting young, developing teams (i.e. POR, OKC, LAC, CHI). A great balance that should produce a very entertaining and fulfilling season.
Killed it, like always.

I'm actually pretty hyped for this season in Detroit. What people don't realize is that Gordon (WE NEED A NICKNAME ASAP) and Rip are close friends and can actually complement each other. Of course we'll probably end a 6-7 and be out after 1 series, but there's HOPE and no more AI. Also, the replacement refs are terrible, which is going to be amazing for us if we keep shooting 90 FTs a game. I can see it now: ECF becomes a free throw shoot off between Lebron + Shaq and Gordon + Rip. YES!
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
October 13 2009 00:03 GMT
#34
Det in ECF?
You're definitely dreaming.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
October 13 2009 00:15 GMT
#35
Ahhhhhh god. I can't make our draft tomorrow for our TL fantasy league. =[ So sad.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 13 2009 00:57 GMT
#36
No way Detroit is getting past the first round unless Gordo and Charlie V have breakout seasons + somehow Rip and Prince get back to old form
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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
October 13 2009 01:59 GMT
#37
raptors yeaaa

LMAO
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
October 13 2009 02:57 GMT
#38
And for rookie of the year i'm gonna go with my boy brandon jennings!
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
October 13 2009 03:20 GMT
#39
On October 13 2009 11:57 BalliSLife wrote:
And for rookie of the year i'm gonna go with my boy brandon jennings!



Eh, no! Jodie MEEKS BABY! He's gonna be the new Michael Redd.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
October 13 2009 05:49 GMT
#40
May not get ROY, but Blake Griffin looked pretty good tonight. I saw the foundation of a very talented and physically-gifted player who has a good head on his shoulders along with an amazing motor (non-stop when he was in). Watching him take charges impressed me particularly, as it confirmed Dunleavy's previous comments about Griffin working hard to learn to rotate and be in the right place on defense. Not something you see very often from rookie bigs.
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