The Elephant in the Room - Page 34

On May 12 2011 17:14 maartendq wrote:

If one is used to seeing something better, seeing something less good than that is a step back.

On May 12 2011 17:13 bennyaus wrote:


Guemchi switched and couldn't qualify for a GSL, then he went back and immediately got back in Stars A team.

The skill sets required to be 'good' at both games are completely different. I would argue that mechanics are less of a deciding factor in the result of games in SC2 and as a results the game is fought on strategy and tactics, which means that players who maybe did not have the best mechanics in other RTS games will be able to compete with top level players from Brood War. I am not saying that Brood War didn't have strategy/tactics on the same level, but more weight is put on those factors in SC2 as mechanics are easier. Therefore, a player who is less mechanically talented/less practiced, but has an excellent strategic mind might fare far better in SC2 than Brood War.

I do agree that the S class pro-gamers will be excellent in SC2 if they ever switched, because they are excellent in all factors of an RTS.

On May 12 2011 17:10 NasD wrote:
Speechless..

I caught the tail end of BW in its glory days so I may not be justified to say this, but I cannot wait until the day that what you are saying is a reality.

On May 12 2011 17:07 Lemonwalrus wrote:

Then you would say the 'skill floor' is LOWER, not HIGHER.

Either way, the 'skill floor' is a dumb topic when talking about pros, since none of the players worth mentioning are anywhere near the floor.

On May 12 2011 17:10 Novalisk wrote:
As the game is now, you will not have genius players dominating everyone with absolute certainty. Build Order victories are just too common compared with BW, and as a young game SC2 is prone to handing out victories to the guy that came up with a better plan beforehand.

This is another reason the top BW pros are not switching over. The game is young and ripe with un-discovered strategies that could take a win away from you, and many would argue it's also more volatile than BW(see IdrA's regular rants about zerg scouting for example).

On May 12 2011 17:15 Zlasher wrote:


Thats ignoring the fact that Guemchi didn't like the SC2 lifestyle either.

On May 12 2011 17:12 p0q wrote:
Makes me sad to see such a rant on the front page of TL, i thought this was a place to rejoice at how awesome SC is in general . Not a place to bash at the new guy in class. Of course the top BW pros would be good at sc2 if they switched. I dont get how that means that the current competition in sc2 is a farce.

On May 12 2011 16:31 Kreb wrote:
I'm not sure what the whole fuss is about. The point states that theres 300 semi pros who potentially could dominate SC2. That might be a high or low number, but add to that tens of thousands of people who potentially could do it too had SC2 been a bigger thing worldwide. SC2 is still just game to most people playing it, and theres tons of people who doesnt even know what it is or care for games at all.

And Im not sure why that should lower the level of excitement. Am I supposed to not be excited about the NHL playoffs because hockey is only a big thing in some 6-8 countries worldwide? Thank you, but I'll have my excitement then, both in hockey and SC2.

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Oh, and I found a really the whole writeup lacking one thing. And that is a list of BW players on similar level of skill as MVP/Nestea who switched and did NOT do well. Thats what puts MVP/Nesteas achievements into perspective. Were they the only ones on their level switching, and they still dominate SC2? Well then that indeed points towards there being a lot of hidden SC2 potential among BW players. But were there 50, or 200 other players on that level also switching? Well in that case, their SC2 achievements suddenly become a lot more impressive and we can indeed conclude that it IS a very different game and the new other game called SC2 just fit MVP/Nestea better and they were better prepared to dominate than all the other switchers. And downplaying their achievemtns where so many others failed would be a very risky thing to do.

But just picking the few players who have distinguished themselves from the masses, listing their lackluster BW careers and then downplaying them based on that really doesnt look at thing from other perspectives. You're literally gonna end up with the exact same conclusion no matter which players dominate SC2 unless they were top of the top BW players.

SC2 dominated by BW A-teamer? Conclusion: There tens or hundreds of other A-teamers who would dominate too.
SC2 dominated by BW B-teamer? Conclusion: There hundreds or thousands of other B-teamers who would dominate too.
SC2 dominated by someone less than a BW B-teamer? Conclusion: There thousands and more thousands of other A/B-teamers and others who would dominate too.
See the problem with those conclusions? Unless Flash switches and dominates, you end up with the same conclusion.

Add a comprehensive list of players switching and failing. That will really put thing into nice perspective.

On May 12 2011 17:16 TheRhox wrote:


Nothing was stopping him from practicing 40 hours a week

On May 12 2011 17:15 ELA wrote:


What is this thing that you cannot wait for that OP is saying? What is he saying?

To me, he's basicly saying, that Starcraft 2 isn't interesting to watch, as there are still 300 people with asorted ratings playing Broodwar. Only when these players stop playing Broodwar and start playing SC2, will Starcraft 2 be worth watching? Of course killing the Broodwar scene in the process, who cares about that right? Surely not the OP. If only they all played Starcraft 2...