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On July 13 2013 07:01 HystericaLaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 06:37 Squeegy wrote:On July 13 2013 05:58 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 13 2013 05:28 Squeegy wrote:On July 13 2013 05:13 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2013 05:02 Squeegy wrote:On July 13 2013 04:40 HolyArrow wrote:On July 13 2013 04:14 Squeegy wrote:
You should not assume and expect things. You seem to be wrong each time you do that. The argument in the OP is not in fact dumb at all once you actually understand what the OP is saying. Don't get caught by the rhetoric devices. If you misunderstood my argument by so much, don't you think it is quite possible you haven't grasped the OP either, as it is more complex. Oh god, the classic "It wasn't wrong, you just weren't smart enough to grasp its complexities". I remember when I was in high school and had an inflated ego and since I couldn't stand being wrong, I would try to pull this on my classmates/friends when I didn't want to admit I was wrong in a discussion. That certainly won me a lot of popularity contests! This article wasn't rocket science. It made some very clear statements and sent a very clear message. If telling yourself that people aren't smart enough to grasp the argument the OP was making helps you sleep at night then all the more power to you, I guess, but it just makes you look desperate and douchey. I agree, the article was very clear and not complex at all. Yet people continue to misunderstand it. Maybe it is because they want to misunderstand it. You are the only one who wants to misunderstand the OP. And you want it really badly, because anything else means your wrong. People have quoted the exact point where Intrigue says that 300 Kespa players have the potential to crush the scene and knowing that makes the SC2 not really worth watching. You can sugar coat it all you want, but he was just shitting on the SC2 champs of the time and saying "Wait until the Kepsa players get here, then you will see real players." They came, a lot of them got their ass kicked. A lot got in to Code S. You already misunderstood a very simple argument I made earlier. Why is so out of question for you that you might have misunderstood this one as well? Consider how imprecise you are here: Intrigue did not say 300 people could crush, Intrigue said only a few could, the word that was used was 'dominate'. Clearly 'dominate' and 'crush' mean separate things in this instance. Important distinction and you already managed to screw it up. You keep repeating this same argument and everyone else keeps telling you that you're wrong. Intrigue did say that the top 300 BW professionals could come into the SC2 scene and take over the top level within months. And yes, dominate and crush mean different things here. 'Dominate' means, 'almost always beat' or 'consistently out-perform'. 'Crush' means, 'completelyfuckingobliteratejustlikeinbroodwarbecausetheyaretoofuckinggoodatstarcraft'. He said that none of the top level SC2 players would remain at the top when the s-class BW players switched across. He was wrong, and so are you for arguing that he meant otherwise. Also, stop telling everyone they don't understand the article while you do, whether you believe it or not. It makes you come across as having a superiority complex. I am not telling everyone that they don't understand the article. WolfintheSheep there appears to have no problems understanding it. Plansix on the other hand... First you would have to define 'top'. If by top you mean the 300 best players would be the 300 Kespa players who had not switched, then no, he did not say that. If by top you mean, for example, Code S would be populated entirely of Kespa players, then yes, he did mean that. Perhaps one could allow for an exception or a two even, particularly because of the slow transition of players due to how Code B/A/S works. If you meant that if only the four or so S-class would switch and be the four or so best players, then that would be tough to judge, as they would not benefit from their team house environment. I think the general claim that Kespa is much superior is true and will continue to become more apparent. I think something like 20 or so out of 32 in Code S will be Kespa in the medium run. Seven or so new talent and the remaining 5 will be the ESF guys pre-Kespa. In the long-run new talent will become more significant, given that the game remains popular. What he meant was the entirety of Code S would be Kespa players, and nearly the entirety of Code A, with the current best of the best players struggling to fill the bottom few spots of Code A, while the current mid-tier players faded from existence. Intrigue said that would happen because that is where they were in BW. You are correct, he didn't mean that the top 300 BW players would cement themselves as the top 300 in the SC2 scene, he meant that of the top 300 BW players, whichever 50 or so acclimatized to SC2 the best would form the new Code S and most of Code A. On top of that, the true powerhouses of BW - Flash, Jaedong etc. would continue their dominance in the new game. He was wrong on both counts.
If you mean wrong in the sense that it has not happened now, then you are correct. I said it when the switch happened and I say it again, it will take time but it will happen. Intrigue might have been wrong about the speed, although I think the latency of few months referred to a switch then instead of at all times. I am also willing to concede that Intrigue was wrong about the S-class being the same S-class in SC2 as well. Although this would have probably happened to an extent in BW as well. But I do think some will become much better than the currently are.
On July 13 2013 07:31 Hryul wrote:
and then bomber dares to beat flash. . .
But if all the people get it wrong why don't you write some elaborate piece to educate us all what intrigue really meant?
Did you know that you just did the strawman fallacy there? I did not say that all the people get it wrong. I said guys like Plansix and that other one do. The person I am replying to above for example understands it. Because you didn't even get who I meant, I suspect you're as smart as Plansix.
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On July 13 2013 13:11 canikizu wrote:
Is it just me or anyone else notice that Kespa don't even have 300 players? They have max like 200 or something.
Maybe the training partners are also going to be better players then the failed a-team players from broodwar?
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On July 13 2013 07:31 Hryul wrote:
and then bomber dares to beat flash. . .
But if all the people get it wrong why don't you write some elaborate piece to educate us all what intrigue really meant?
Well it is pretty simple really. The Kespa players are better for the most part, but SC 2 has so many units, builds, and possibilities that you just cannot stop every all in or new wacky build order (Example: Bomber vs Flash game 2) in SC2, unlike Broodwar, it is not as safe to play safe. Example, arguably the best macro protoss of all time that plays as safe as possible every game and usually executes better than any toss before and after him, Rain, but he still loses to all ins all the time. Flash loses to all ins. Innovations losses? All ins from Symbol and Soulkey.
Now if the article asserts every BW player will dominate, that is going too far, but the best of the best can and most likely will be, if they are not already (soulkey, innovation, Rain, Jangbi) be the best of the best in SC2. But, there are always new players. BW didn't foster only 5 players for its entire existance, newer players already arise on the seen. But once Kespa switched over, a lot of the "great" ESF players fell off the map. Keen, MVP, MC, Nestea, Genius, DRG, Marineking, and Life. Where are they now? They are all struggling to qualify, let alone compete. The OP in this thread isn't correct on everything, but his general idea is largly true whether you choose to admit it or not. ESF is struggling, their teams are going broke and disbanding. It is hard to watch, but it is happening.
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On July 13 2013 17:20 SoFrOsTy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 07:31 Hryul wrote:
and then bomber dares to beat flash. . .
But if all the people get it wrong why don't you write some elaborate piece to educate us all what intrigue really meant? Well it is pretty simple really. The Kespa players are better for the most part, but SC 2 has so many units, builds, and possibilities that you just cannot stop every all in or new wacky build order (Example: Bomber vs Flash game 2) in SC2, unlike Broodwar, it is not as safe to play safe. Example, arguably the best macro protoss of all time that plays as safe as possible every game and usually executes better than any toss before and after him, Rain, but he still loses to all ins all the time. Flash loses to all ins. Innovations losses? All ins from Symbol and Soulkey. Now if the article asserts every BW player will dominate, that is going too far, but the best of the best can and most likely will be, if they are not already (soulkey, innovation, Rain, Jangbi) be the best of the best in SC2. But, there are always new players. BW didn't foster only 5 players for its entire existance, newer players already arise on the seen. But once Kespa switched over, a lot of the "great" ESF players fell off the map. Keen, MVP, MC, Nestea, Genius, DRG, Marineking, and Life. Where are they now? They are all struggling to qualify, let alone compete. The OP in this thread isn't correct on everything, but his general idea is largly true whether you choose to admit it or not. ESF is struggling, their teams are going broke and disbanding. It is hard to watch, but it is happening.
Most of those players had already fallen off, MVP looked like he was going to beat innovation in a bo5 despite his wrists and hands going numb from pain while playing, keen was never a dominant force, drg entered a downward spiral before the transition, no idea what happened to mkp, life is 16 years old and still in school and still maintains a 75% win rate, I hear he plays lol as well.
You are right that all-ins and cheeses seem to be pretty common, but have you ever watched broodwar around 2004 and earlier?
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On July 13 2013 17:20 SoFrOsTy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 07:31 Hryul wrote:
and then bomber dares to beat flash. . .
But if all the people get it wrong why don't you write some elaborate piece to educate us all what intrigue really meant? Well it is pretty simple really. The Kespa players are better for the most part, but SC 2 has so many units, builds, and possibilities that you just cannot stop every all in or new wacky build order (Example: Bomber vs Flash game 2) in SC2, unlike Broodwar, it is not as safe to play safe. Example, arguably the best macro protoss of all time that plays as safe as possible every game and usually executes better than any toss before and after him, Rain, but he still loses to all ins all the time. Flash loses to all ins. Innovations losses? All ins from Symbol and Soulkey. Now if the article asserts every BW player will dominate, that is going too far, but the best of the best can and most likely will be, if they are not already (soulkey, innovation, Rain, Jangbi) be the best of the best in SC2. But, there are always new players. BW didn't foster only 5 players for its entire existance, newer players already arise on the seen. But once Kespa switched over, a lot of the "great" ESF players fell off the map. Keen, MVP, MC, Nestea, Genius, DRG, Marineking, and Life. Where are they now? They are all struggling to qualify, let alone compete. The OP in this thread isn't correct on everything, but his general idea is largly true whether you choose to admit it or not. ESF is struggling, their teams are going broke and disbanding. It is hard to watch, but it is happening.
Keen, Nestea, DRG, Genius and MKP fell off the map long before Kespa even arrived. Naming them basically means you didn't pay attention to the SC2 in the slightest.
MC hasn't won a tournament in more than a year, so he's at about the same place. MVP is still at the top, if you haven't noticed. Life is just losing to everyone lately, Kespa, ESF and foreigners.
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On July 13 2013 17:40 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 17:20 SoFrOsTy wrote:On July 13 2013 07:31 Hryul wrote:
and then bomber dares to beat flash. . .
But if all the people get it wrong why don't you write some elaborate piece to educate us all what intrigue really meant? Well it is pretty simple really. The Kespa players are better for the most part, but SC 2 has so many units, builds, and possibilities that you just cannot stop every all in or new wacky build order (Example: Bomber vs Flash game 2) in SC2, unlike Broodwar, it is not as safe to play safe. Example, arguably the best macro protoss of all time that plays as safe as possible every game and usually executes better than any toss before and after him, Rain, but he still loses to all ins all the time. Flash loses to all ins. Innovations losses? All ins from Symbol and Soulkey. Now if the article asserts every BW player will dominate, that is going too far, but the best of the best can and most likely will be, if they are not already (soulkey, innovation, Rain, Jangbi) be the best of the best in SC2. But, there are always new players. BW didn't foster only 5 players for its entire existance, newer players already arise on the seen. But once Kespa switched over, a lot of the "great" ESF players fell off the map. Keen, MVP, MC, Nestea, Genius, DRG, Marineking, and Life. Where are they now? They are all struggling to qualify, let alone compete. The OP in this thread isn't correct on everything, but his general idea is largly true whether you choose to admit it or not. ESF is struggling, their teams are going broke and disbanding. It is hard to watch, but it is happening. Keen, Nestea, DRG, Genius and MKP fell off the map long before Kespa even arrived. Naming them basically means you didn't pay attention to the SC2 in the slightest. MC hasn't won a tournament in more than a year, so he's at about the same place. MVP is still at the top, if you haven't noticed. Life is just losing to everyone lately, Kespa, ESF and foreigners.
70%ish win rate isn't losing to everyone :p
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On July 13 2013 17:43 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 17:40 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 13 2013 17:20 SoFrOsTy wrote:On July 13 2013 07:31 Hryul wrote:
and then bomber dares to beat flash. . .
But if all the people get it wrong why don't you write some elaborate piece to educate us all what intrigue really meant? Well it is pretty simple really. The Kespa players are better for the most part, but SC 2 has so many units, builds, and possibilities that you just cannot stop every all in or new wacky build order (Example: Bomber vs Flash game 2) in SC2, unlike Broodwar, it is not as safe to play safe. Example, arguably the best macro protoss of all time that plays as safe as possible every game and usually executes better than any toss before and after him, Rain, but he still loses to all ins all the time. Flash loses to all ins. Innovations losses? All ins from Symbol and Soulkey. Now if the article asserts every BW player will dominate, that is going too far, but the best of the best can and most likely will be, if they are not already (soulkey, innovation, Rain, Jangbi) be the best of the best in SC2. But, there are always new players. BW didn't foster only 5 players for its entire existance, newer players already arise on the seen. But once Kespa switched over, a lot of the "great" ESF players fell off the map. Keen, MVP, MC, Nestea, Genius, DRG, Marineking, and Life. Where are they now? They are all struggling to qualify, let alone compete. The OP in this thread isn't correct on everything, but his general idea is largly true whether you choose to admit it or not. ESF is struggling, their teams are going broke and disbanding. It is hard to watch, but it is happening. Keen, Nestea, DRG, Genius and MKP fell off the map long before Kespa even arrived. Naming them basically means you didn't pay attention to the SC2 in the slightest. MC hasn't won a tournament in more than a year, so he's at about the same place. MVP is still at the top, if you haven't noticed. Life is just losing to everyone lately, Kespa, ESF and foreigners. 70%ish win rate isn't losing to everyone :p
Well, yeah, but he's still losing in ways that he wouldn't have several months ago.
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sc2 is just far more volatile than we'd like.
overall the trend for hots and beyond has been a kespa takeover. undeniable truth since roro won the last liberty GSL.
as to who can survive at the top, that remains to be seen. i'd like to say bogus but he's definitely beatable. i've given up predicting who will win, because evidently a player as strong as bogus can still lose to random all-ins.
esf has no remarkable players anymore. in that sense every single one of them has been overtaken by the kespa elite. you can keep nitpicking at the article (i wish this would stop) but until esf has a good showing i don't really see the point in arguing.
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On July 13 2013 17:51 shadymmj wrote:
sc2 is just far more volatile than we'd like.
overall the trend for hots and beyond has been a kespa takeover. undeniable truth since roro won the last liberty GSL.
as to who can survive at the top, that remains to be seen. i'd like to say bogus but he's definitely beatable. i've given up predicting who will win, because evidently a player as strong as bogus can still lose to random all-ins.
esf has no remarkable players anymore. in that sense every single one of them has been overtaken by the kespa elite. you can keep nitpicking at the article (i wish this would stop) but until esf has a good showing i don't really see the point in arguing.
That's odd...I could have sworn that half the top 8 in current GSL are ESF.
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@bob and @wolfinthesheep hmm I didn't say anything offensive to either of you. So no need to reply with aggression. There are many more players who have fallen off if you really want me to list them, I certainly can.
Seed, (nope he is still bad)
Sniper (gone)
Curious (pretty bad now)
Squirtle (bad now, tho joined a Kespa team)
Parting (he is in a slump since Kespa join, even tho he joined a Kespa team)
CreatorPrime,
ByunPrime,
Leenock
GuMiHo
Noblesse
Hyun (won vs only mediocre players to end up facing Polt, worst macro terran of all time in finals of MLG)
OZ
JYP
Alive
TaeJa
You mean to tell me that all of these players were bad prior to Kespa? Or you are telling me they are all in a slump? I don't fully understand. None of the players on that list compete with Soulkey, Flash, Innovation, Jangbi, sOs, Rain, Stats, or Reality. Just to name a few. Sure they can take games, but they aren't better players than these guys. Not anymore.
EDIT - I also would like to add, Life's win rate, not against Kespa players. Again other ESF players. GSTL is full of baddies even worse than the top ESF players that Life gets wins off of all the time.
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On July 13 2013 18:02 SoFrOsTy wrote:
EDIT - I also would like to add, Life's win rate, not against Kespa players. Again other ESF players. GSTL is full of baddies even worse than the top ESF players that Life gets wins off of all the time.
You are right. We need Life to have another rematch against Flash so he can pummel him into the ground a few more times to increase that kespa win %.
While we're at it lets have bomber face him a couple more times as well 
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On July 13 2013 18:02 SoFrOsTy wrote:
@bob and @wolfinthesheep hmm I didn't say anything offensive to either of you. So no need to reply with aggression. There are many more players who have fallen off if you really want me to list them, I certainly can.
Seed, (nope he is still bad)
Sniper (gone)
Curious (pretty bad now)
Squirtle (bad now, tho joined a Kespa team)
Parting (he is in a slump since Kespa join, even tho he joined a Kespa team)
CreatorPrime,
ByunPrime,
Leenock
GuMiHo
Noblesse
Hyun (won vs only mediocre players to end up facing Polt, worst macro terran of all time in finals of MLG)
OZ
JYP
Alive
TaeJa
You mean to tell me that all of these players were bad prior to Kespa? Or you are telling me they are all in a slump? I don't fully understand. None of the players on that list compete with Soulkey, Flash, Innovation, Jangbi, sOs, Rain, Stats, or Reality. Just to name a few. Sure they can take games, but they aren't better players than these guys. Not anymore.
Are you remotely serious?
Parting, Leenock, Taeja. Those three are the only names there that were remotely capable of winning a GSL when Kespa had fully switched over.
JYP was never a contender for a championship. OZ's best was 4th place in 2011. Alive won IPL4 over a year ago and then had no other notable finishes. Noblesse...what the hell, why is he even mentioned?
Did you go out of your way to cherry pick these names or something?
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On July 13 2013 18:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 18:02 SoFrOsTy wrote:
@bob and @wolfinthesheep hmm I didn't say anything offensive to either of you. So no need to reply with aggression. There are many more players who have fallen off if you really want me to list them, I certainly can.
Seed, (nope he is still bad)
Sniper (gone)
Curious (pretty bad now)
Squirtle (bad now, tho joined a Kespa team)
Parting (he is in a slump since Kespa join, even tho he joined a Kespa team)
CreatorPrime,
ByunPrime,
Leenock
GuMiHo
Noblesse
Hyun (won vs only mediocre players to end up facing Polt, worst macro terran of all time in finals of MLG)
OZ
JYP
Alive
TaeJa
You mean to tell me that all of these players were bad prior to Kespa? Or you are telling me they are all in a slump? I don't fully understand. None of the players on that list compete with Soulkey, Flash, Innovation, Jangbi, sOs, Rain, Stats, or Reality. Just to name a few. Sure they can take games, but they aren't better players than these guys. Not anymore. Are you remotely serious? Parting, Leenock, Taeja. Those three are the only names there that were remotely capable of winning a GSL when Kespa had fully switched over. JYP was never a contender for a championship. OZ's best was 4th place in 2011. Alive won IPL4 over a year ago and then had no other notable finishes. Noblesse...what the hell, why is he even mentioned? Did you go out of your way to cherry pick these names or something?
What kind of list would you build?
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On July 13 2013 18:02 SoFrOsTy wrote:
@bob and @wolfinthesheep hmm I didn't say anything offensive to either of you. So no need to reply with aggression. There are many more players who have fallen off if you really want me to list them, I certainly can.
Seed, (nope he is still bad)
Sniper (gone)
Curious (pretty bad now)
Squirtle (bad now, tho joined a Kespa team)
Parting (he is in a slump since Kespa join, even tho he joined a Kespa team)
CreatorPrime,
ByunPrime,
Leenock
GuMiHo
Noblesse
Hyun (won vs only mediocre players to end up facing Polt, worst macro terran of all time in finals of MLG)
OZ
JYP
Alive
TaeJa
You mean to tell me that all of these players were bad prior to Kespa? Or you are telling me they are all in a slump? I don't fully understand. None of the players on that list compete with Soulkey, Flash, Innovation, Jangbi, sOs, Rain, Stats, or Reality. Just to name a few. Sure they can take games, but they aren't better players than these guys. Not anymore.
EDIT - I also would like to add, Life's win rate, not against Kespa players. Again other ESF players. GSTL is full of baddies even worse than the top ESF players that Life gets wins off of all the time.
Seed, Byun, Noblesse (lol), Oz, JYP, aLive, and even Taeja due to injuries, all fell off before the transition. The others are arguably still decent. Squirtle is on IM, not a kespa team. Saying Polt is the worst macro terran when Fantasy exists is funny.
Reality isn't very good, I'm not sure what you're watching if you think he is comparable to Stats and the rest.
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On July 13 2013 18:16 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 18:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 13 2013 18:02 SoFrOsTy wrote:
@bob and @wolfinthesheep hmm I didn't say anything offensive to either of you. So no need to reply with aggression. There are many more players who have fallen off if you really want me to list them, I certainly can.
Seed, (nope he is still bad)
Sniper (gone)
Curious (pretty bad now)
Squirtle (bad now, tho joined a Kespa team)
Parting (he is in a slump since Kespa join, even tho he joined a Kespa team)
CreatorPrime,
ByunPrime,
Leenock
GuMiHo
Noblesse
Hyun (won vs only mediocre players to end up facing Polt, worst macro terran of all time in finals of MLG)
OZ
JYP
Alive
TaeJa
You mean to tell me that all of these players were bad prior to Kespa? Or you are telling me they are all in a slump? I don't fully understand. None of the players on that list compete with Soulkey, Flash, Innovation, Jangbi, sOs, Rain, Stats, or Reality. Just to name a few. Sure they can take games, but they aren't better players than these guys. Not anymore. Are you remotely serious? Parting, Leenock, Taeja. Those three are the only names there that were remotely capable of winning a GSL when Kespa had fully switched over. JYP was never a contender for a championship. OZ's best was 4th place in 2011. Alive won IPL4 over a year ago and then had no other notable finishes. Noblesse...what the hell, why is he even mentioned? Did you go out of your way to cherry pick these names or something? What kind of list would you build?
How about ones that have actually made at least Ro8 in any tournament in the last 4 months...
EDIT: You know what, let's make it 8 just to coincide with the Kespa shift.
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On July 13 2013 18:02 SoFrOsTy wrote:
@bob and @wolfinthesheep hmm I didn't say anything offensive to either of you. So no need to reply with aggression. There are many more players who have fallen off if you really want me to list them, I certainly can.
Seed, (nope he is still bad)
Sniper (gone)
Curious (pretty bad now)
Squirtle (bad now, tho joined a Kespa team)
Parting (he is in a slump since Kespa join, even tho he joined a Kespa team)
CreatorPrime,
ByunPrime,
Leenock
GuMiHo
Noblesse
Hyun (won vs only mediocre players to end up facing Polt, worst macro terran of all time in finals of MLG)
OZ
JYP
Alive
TaeJa
You mean to tell me that all of these players were bad prior to Kespa? Or you are telling me they are all in a slump? I don't fully understand. None of the players on that list compete with Soulkey, Flash, Innovation, Jangbi, sOs, Rain, Stats, or Reality. Just to name a few. Sure they can take games, but they aren't better players than these guys. Not anymore.
EDIT - I also would like to add, Life's win rate, not against Kespa players. Again other ESF players. GSTL is full of baddies even worse than the top ESF players that Life gets wins off of all the time.
A response to every listed player in spoilers.
+ Show Spoiler +Seed was definitely falling off big time after his win. He was knocked out of code A twice by Center..
PartinG doesn't belong on this list anymore. He's generally considered Kespa now. I mean he was DEFINITELY kespa when he was doing well in advancing out of the scariest group of death we've ever seen last season -__-
Leenock is still good looking at his gameplay. He's always had bad luck in individual league outside of the fall seasons (go back and look at his record).
Hyun is good, you just don't get to see him often anymore as he's transitioning over to WCS AM.
Same with Taeja.
Alive and Oz were always inconsistent before Kespa arrived. In fact they were doing quite badly around mid 2012.
JYP was never really that good.
Noblesse had a flash in the pan performance at the end of WoL and that's it. He was never that great overall.
Squirtle is still good relative to how he was before Kespa's arrival. Outside of early - mid 2012 Squirtle was rather hit and miss.
The rest I'll concur are falling off.
Life isn't dominating GSTL, I've always said he was overrated in that league. Can't see how that inflated his winrate? o.O
Bogus, Soulkey, Flash, Rain, and sOs I'd favor pretty heavily over most on this list sure. But, where in the world did you get Jangbi, Reality, and Stats xD?
I realize they're good in SPL but outside of that they're not distinguishable at all. Especially Stats. A little off topic, but can someone tell me why he's being hyped so much? I'm not even trying to hate on Stats, but he has like next to no individual league results and though he does well in SPL, his play never blows me away. Yet, many thought he would win MLG for some reason...
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Thank you for this, it does make more sense to me now.
I still do not think SC2 will reach it's maximum potential until the advent of the last expansion.
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I wish Hyuk was still here for SC2 XD
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