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On January 30 2012 07:30 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 02:55 raga4ka wrote:On January 30 2012 01:14 Eee wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better. Xigua!  Aren't chinese players a scene of their own though ? I remember in BW there was like the korean, the chinese and the foreigner's scene . Also Nerchio was a former BW player from what i read from Liquipedia so i would say that the foreigner BW scene is doing slightly better . they were in BW, but this is sc2. If we consider Sen to be a foreigner, who is from Taiwan which means he even shares the same server as the koreans. Then according to that logic China should be considerd foreigner and not a seperate one.
Chinese are considered separate because they are a huge scene that hasn't got much interaction with the rest of the foreigners. Sen and Taiwan are not because they are a relatively small scene and despite sharing the server with Koreans not really connected to them (besides the ladder, which is not that much really).
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On January 30 2012 07:35 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 07:30 Eee wrote:On January 30 2012 02:55 raga4ka wrote:On January 30 2012 01:14 Eee wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better. Xigua! Aren't chinese players a scene of their own though ? I remember in BW there was like the korean, the chinese and the foreigner's scene . Also Nerchio was a former BW player from what i read from Liquipedia so i would say that the foreigner BW scene is doing slightly better . they were in BW, but this is sc2. If we consider Sen to be a foreigner, who is from Taiwan which means he even shares the same server as the koreans. Then according to that logic China should be considerd foreigner and not a seperate one. Chinese are considered separate because they are a huge scene that hasn't got much interaction with the rest of the foreigners. Sen and Taiwan are not because they are a relatively small scene and despite sharing the server with Koreans not really connected to them (besides the ladder, which is not that much really).
Lol bullshit. The BW scene was, but the sc2 isn't really. The Chinese sc2 scene is a lot smaller than the Taiwanese (with TeSL which is aired on TV!). The TeSL doesnt even allow foreigners to compete in their tournaments, while the G-League (which is the premier Chinese esports league) is open to anyone. The BW fanbase is alot (like really alot!) bigger than the sc2 fanbase in china, and also as most pc bangs don't have the requirements of being able to run sc2 on their computers it has held back the growing of sc2 in china, the chinese scene is SMALL. China has held 4 international events in sc2 already, that is more than most western countries.
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On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better.
What about Sjow, Select, Grubby, DeMuslim, ToD, SaSe, Kiwikaki, Naama, etc etc for WC3? The list goes on for both sides. As far as foreigners go, it seems impossible to say what scene has done the best.
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On January 30 2012 07:48 OKMarius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better. What about Sjow, Select, Grubby, DeMuslim, ToD, SaSe, Kiwikaki, Naama, etc etc for WC3? The list goes on for both sides. As far as foreigners go, it seems impossible to say what scene has done the best.
Select is from Warhammer40k though.
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On January 30 2012 07:48 OKMarius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better. What about Sjow, Select, Grubby, DeMuslim, ToD, SaSe, Kiwikaki, Naama, etc etc for WC3? The list goes on for both sides. As far as foreigners go, it seems impossible to say what scene has done the best.
Don't you think that was his point? That they are pretty much equal?
China-issue. I meant the amount of players not tournaments. There are some 321,000 players on the Chinese server. That is almost half of the Taiwan-Korea server. I of course have no statistics to back this up but I'd dare wager that only a small amount of players on Taiwan-Korea server are from Taiwan.
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On January 30 2012 07:58 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 07:48 OKMarius wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better. What about Sjow, Select, Grubby, DeMuslim, ToD, SaSe, Kiwikaki, Naama, etc etc for WC3? The list goes on for both sides. As far as foreigners go, it seems impossible to say what scene has done the best. Select is from Warhammer40k though.
He was a WC3 pro at first playing for SK Gaming.
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Select was a 2 time Dawn of War WCG champion I'm not sure as to a BW or WC3 career.
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On January 30 2012 06:09 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:54 Bigtony wrote:
The SC2 scene is in its infancy. Any comparison to Brood War is just stupid to be honest. Brood War has the advantage of YEARS in terms of development, both in terms of game strategy and practice strategy. Saying something like "Flash would destroy everyone if he switched!1!!11" isn't a very profound discovery. Flash probably would dominate people in SC2 because he's INSANELY good at RTS and has years of experience. It has nothing to do with what game he is playing. Give the SC2 scene time and it will reach the level of BW. But most top players have years of experience as well from another game. I don't think it is at all clear that SC2 will reach the level of BW. No other RTS so far has been even close. I would say SC2 certainly has the most potential but it is not at all obvious. To the people who were mistakenly understood that we are arguing that former GSL champions were elephants: That wasn't the point. Point was that every GSL winner (except Polt) has been from BW. I would dare assert that something like at least 90% of the top players are from BW. And there is some correlation between their level in BW and their level in SC2. That is why MVP has been considered for a good part of the game the best. There is then a good reason to think that the BW guys who have the thirst and the talent to succeed, will bring the skill level of this game up by amounts that no other player has done. It will not be by that much however unless the whole BW pro-scene switches. Players are, in a way, bound by their scene. The better you are the slower you will learn (compared to the scene). The worse you are the faster you will learn (compared to the scene). What I wrote here is rather ambiguous and not as general as I make it sound. Ask for clarification if you wish.
None of that really has anything to do with the fact that the SC2 scene - everything about it - is incredibly young. The next generation of super pros is not here, the sponsorship is not 100% there, the leagues are still not solidified, and we have no expansion pack.
You may be right, but it is far too early to make any a judgement like "the SC2 scene is a farce." It's not a farce, it's just not grown up yet.
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On January 30 2012 08:00 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 07:48 OKMarius wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better. What about Sjow, Select, Grubby, DeMuslim, ToD, SaSe, Kiwikaki, Naama, etc etc for WC3? The list goes on for both sides. As far as foreigners go, it seems impossible to say what scene has done the best. Don't you think that was his point? That they are pretty much equal?
I'll go out on a limb here and say that his point was that overall, BW foreigners have done slightly better.
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On January 30 2012 08:35 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 08:00 Squeegy wrote:On January 30 2012 07:48 OKMarius wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better. What about Sjow, Select, Grubby, DeMuslim, ToD, SaSe, Kiwikaki, Naama, etc etc for WC3? The list goes on for both sides. As far as foreigners go, it seems impossible to say what scene has done the best. Don't you think that was his point? That they are pretty much equal? I'll go out on a limb here and say that his point was that overall, BW foreigners have done slightly better.
Which of course means pretty much the same thing. Or did you think that the winnings must be exactly at 50% for them to be equal?
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On January 30 2012 03:54 Bigtony wrote:
The SC2 scene is in its infancy. Any comparison to Brood War is just stupid to be honest. Brood War has the advantage of YEARS in terms of development, both in terms of game strategy and practice strategy. Saying something like "Flash would destroy everyone if he switched!1!!11" isn't a very profound discovery. Flash probably would dominate people in SC2 because he's INSANELY good at RTS and has years of experience. It has nothing to do with what game he is playing. Give the SC2 scene time and it will reach the level of BW.
I don't know if we can say the starcraft 2 scene is in its "infancy", particularly because pros from other games to play it. Brood War had it's players, WarCraft III had it's players etc. But, SC2 is a combination of it all which means the growth is faster. Back in Brood War it was the koreans creating all of the main strategies but in SC2 you have everybody (from different countries) creating different strategies and using different styles adding more diversity and competition to the game. In essence this means that the game will evolve faster then Brood War. However, we should consider that the game is in it's infancy until the third expansion has been released and the patches have balanced it.
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I think if Flash switched fulltime to SC2 it will take him up to 3 months to become one of the 3 best players in the world, and up to 6 months to become the best.
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On January 30 2012 08:59 THM wrote:
I think if Flash switched fulltime to SC2 it will take him up to 3 months to become one of the 3 best players in the world, and up to 6 months to become the best.
Thanks for using the .000000000001% of BW players to represent the whole at least.
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On January 30 2012 06:34 dsousa wrote:
Ok, I have an idea.
Flash vs Stephano in SC2. Someone make a showmatch, with 50k to the winner, 20k to the loser.... open ended invitation anytime Flash wants to accept.
Certainly BW elitists should view the French WC3 player Stephano as no threat, so if Flash can't beat Stephano.... then the elephant is dead :D
Best of 31 supermatch!
The world needs this!
Flash would probably lose, since he has barely played the game except maybe a few games during his surgery. He does have decent mechanics, but his main strength lies in his strategical, mindgaming, and maphacking abilities. Until he plays the game 21 hours a day, fingers bleeding, carpel tunneling, for a month, he won't be too good.
Flash was one of those late bloomers (although he is the youngest player to win a starleague at 15 and only started BW in middle-school), he did a lot of dumb stuff in his early career like going CC first every game in a Bo3 and losing 3 in a row, or knocking out top players with bio cheese, but while most players peaked, he just never stopped improving. I guess that's because he actually tried doing different shit instead of just playing safe, he almost never plays standard (although not visible to someone without a keen eye) and plays a really strong mixup game, quite rare for BW.
Now everyone just tries to cheese him, but that's exactly what he wants because his scvs are magnetically attracted to proxy buildings. And that's the main thing, Nestea is called the detective zerg, but he ain't got nothing on Flash. Flash is also extremely good at cheesing himself. He finds the weirdest timing windows with the weirdest compositions that make Jaedong look like a B-rate scrub and make the most innocent units look imbalanced. SC2 would be perfect for Flash, not so much for the others (except maybe Stork).
Anyway, I think Jaedong or Bisu would be the fastest to get good in SC2 because of their multitasking and micro ability, but if TBLS switched over (And took it really seriously) I would expect Flash to dominate every GSL 5:0 after a while. I think he went 3:0, 3:0, 3:1 against Jaedong in back to back to back finals, who is arguably his toughest opponent. I would expect everyone to be sick of watching the game after that. Nearly every Flash finals have been pretty underwhelming, it just looked like your every day 1a2a3a pubstomping. So many people would cry imbalance if it was SC2, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want Flash moving over if it was right now.
However I would expect Flash to move over like Nada, when hes way past his prime. So I don't think he would dominate then, he would have so much catching up to do, and probably not take it very seriously.
You should have a look at the Liquipedia entries for these players they are far from just mechanical beasts
+ Show Spoiler +Flash epitomizes the well-rounded Starcraft player, combining strategic versatility, decision making, and mechanics. During his early years in the Starcraft progaming scene, Flash often prefered strong late game macro-oriented builds, and excelled in defensive play. His strategy of getting quick upgraded Goliaths for defense and offense was once his signature move against Protoss, especially when Carriers are brought into play. Since 2009 he has showcased a number of aggressive and unorthodox builds. Sometimes Flash has been criticized for using risky strategies such as 14cc or Valkyrie builds against opponents his standard play would likely suffice for, but this makes him even more unpredictable in the long run. Although Flash was originally known for having superb macro mechanics, he is not a particularly fast player (APM in the low 300s). Rather, Flash's decision making is a more pressing reason why many players try not to get into a protracted macro game with him. Flash's timing, builds, and ability to detect cheese, all reflect a deep understanding of the game. To quote iloveoov , "I think he has the ideal mindset as a Progamer that I've been thinking about. There aren't many players who set strategic moves, and in the case of Flash, I think he's looking about 10 games ahead." Flash is notorious for staging comebacks where his opponents will gain a seemingly insurmountable advantage but then fall apart. These aspects of Flash's play, coupled with his outstanding micromanagement, make him a dangerously unpredictable opponent, and have even led to his play being lauded by many as 'godlike'.
Jaedong has also revolutionized ZvZ. The precision, timing attacks, careful unit counting, Zergling run-by plays (often in the midst of Mutalisk attacks) and methodical concave exploitation have advanced tremendously since Jaedong has showcased his ZvZ, showing that every Build Order has advantages against the other Build Orders, and you can overcome any difficulties with proper micro and game sense. No one understands ZvZ better than Jaedong does, and it’s the single most dominant match-up statistics in the history of StarCraft over a large sample size, 85.7% wins since December 2007 up to June 2009.
Lee Jae Dong in ZvP innovated with the 3 Hatch Spire into 5 Hatch with Scourge play and popularized the build which made it the standard for ZvP. With this build, he made a counter-revolution against Forge FE that’s reversed nearly all the advantages in strategy and morale that Bisu earned when he defeated sAviOr in the GOMTV MBCGame StarCraft League Season 1 Finals. He made an invaluable contribution to the development of Sim-City defense, an important part of ZvP.
In addition to standard play, Lee Jae Dong has innovated a lot of creative cheesy builds and refined July’s aggression to another level while still possessing a world-class standard macro game. His micro is considered his greatest strength.
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Flash would probably lose, since he has barely played the game except maybe a few games during his surgery. He does have decent mechanics, but his main strength lies in his strategical, mindgaming, and maphacking abilities. Until he plays the game 21 hours a day, fingers bleeding, carpel tunneling, for a month, he won't be too good. Flash was one of those late bloomers (although he is the youngest player to win a starleague at 15 and only started BW in middle-school), he did a lot of dumb stuff in his early career like going CC first every game in a Bo3 and losing 3 in a row, or knocking out top players with bio cheese, but while most players peaked, he just never stopped improving. I guess that's because he actually tried doing different shit instead of just playing safe, he almost never plays standard (although not visible to someone without a keen eye) and plays a really strong mixup game, quite rare for BW. Now everyone just tries to cheese him, but that's exactly what he wants cause because his scvs are magnetically attracted to proxy buildings. And that's the main thing, Nestea is called the detective zerg, but he ain't got nothing on Flash. Flash is also extremely good at cheesing himself. He finds the weirdest timing windows with the weirdest compositions that make Jaedong look like a B-rate scrub and make the most innocent units look imbalanced. SC2 would be perfect for Flash, not so much for the others (except maybe Stork). Anyway, I think Jaedong or Bisu would be the fastest to get good in SC2 because of their multitasking and micro ability, but if TBLS switched over (And took it really seriously) I would expect Flash to dominate every GSL 5:0 after a while. I think he went 3:0, 3:0, 3:1 against Jaedong in back to back to back finals, who is arguably his toughest opponent. I would expect everyone to be sick of watching the game after that, and so many people would cry imbalance if it was SC2. However I would expect Flash to move over like Nada, when hes way past his prime. So I don't think he would dominate then, he would have so much catching up to do, and probably not take it very seriously. You should have a look at the Liquipedia entries for these players they are far from just mechanical beasts + Show Spoiler +Flash epitomizes the well-rounded Starcraft player, combining strategic versatility, decision making, and mechanics. During his early years in the Starcraft progaming scene, Flash often prefered strong late game macro-oriented builds, and excelled in defensive play. His strategy of getting quick upgraded Goliaths for defense and offense was once his signature move against Protoss, especially when Carriers are brought into play. Since 2009 he has showcased a number of aggressive and unorthodox builds. Sometimes Flash has been criticized for using risky strategies such as 14cc or Valkyrie builds against opponents his standard play would likely suffice for, but this makes him even more unpredictable in the long run. Although Flash was originally known for having superb macro mechanics, he is not a particularly fast player (APM in the low 300s). Rather, Flash's decision making is a more pressing reason why many players try not to get into a protracted macro game with him. Flash's timing, builds, and ability to detect cheese, all reflect a deep understanding of the game. To quote iloveoov , "I think he has the ideal mindset as a Progamer that I've been thinking about. There aren't many players who set strategic moves, and in the case of Flash, I think he's looking about 10 games ahead." Flash is notorious for staging comebacks where his opponents will gain a seemingly insurmountable advantage but then fall apart. These aspects of Flash's play, coupled with his outstanding micromanagement, make him a dangerously unpredictable opponent, and have even led to his play being lauded by many as 'godlike'.
Jaedong has also revolutionized ZvZ. The precision, timing attacks, careful unit counting, Zergling run-by plays (often in the midst of Mutalisk attacks) and methodical concave exploitation have advanced tremendously since Jaedong has showcased his ZvZ, showing that every Build Order has advantages against the other Build Orders, and you can overcome any difficulties with proper micro and game sense. No one understands ZvZ better than Jaedong does, and it’s the single most dominant match-up statistics in the history of StarCraft over a large sample size, 85.7% wins since December 2007 up to June 2009.
Lee Jae Dong in ZvP innovated with the 3 Hatch Spire into 5 Hatch with Scourge play and popularized the build which made it the standard for ZvP. With this build, he made a counter-revolution against Forge FE that’s reversed nearly all the advantages in strategy and morale that Bisu earned when he defeated sAviOr in the GOMTV MBCGame StarCraft League Season 1 Finals. He made an invaluable contribution to the development of Sim-City defense, an important part of ZvP.
In addition to standard play, Lee Jae Dong has innovated a lot of creative cheesy builds and refined July’s aggression to another level while still possessing a world-class standard macro game. His micro is considered his greatest strength.
Thanks for putting forth one of the first actually well written replies from a BW enthusiast. It's nice that the post doesn't start off with how terrible sc2 players are and how stupid the game is and you didn't go "LOLOLOLOLOL u noobs dun understand da bw"
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On January 30 2012 06:18 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 05:10 canikizu wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better. THe funny thing is top 5 foreign TLPD are all former WC3 players. Ahh, so by your accounts Happy is the 2nd best foreigner and the best terran foreigner? And hmm, according to the Korean one Curious is now the 4th best player in the world, and the 2nd best zerg/
Apparently someone miss the word "funny," I guess happy is overrated.
But in all seriousness, the ratio of WC3 foreign players that switch and archive success is higher than the ratio of BW foreign players that switch and have success, that's how I call 'doing better than' in my book, but that's just me.
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On January 30 2012 09:01 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 08:59 THM wrote:
I think if Flash switched fulltime to SC2 it will take him up to 3 months to become one of the 3 best players in the world, and up to 6 months to become the best. Thanks for using the .000000000001% of BW players to represent the whole at least.
I'm not trying to represent anything, just wrote one sentence that sums up an opinion I have.
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On January 30 2012 09:57 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 06:18 1Eris1 wrote:On January 30 2012 05:10 canikizu wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 22:06 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? In the foriegner scene the war 3 switches have done better then the foreign bw switches in Star 2 Very dubious. Huk, Idra, Jinro, Dimaga, Mana, Sen, Ret, White Ra, Morrow stacks up just fine against Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, HasuObs, Kas. I'd say overall BW foreigners have done slightly better. THe funny thing is top 5 foreign TLPD are all former WC3 players. Ahh, so by your accounts Happy is the 2nd best foreigner and the best terran foreigner? And hmm, according to the Korean one Curious is now the 4th best player in the world, and the 2nd best zerg/ Apparently someone miss the word "funny," I guess happy is overrated. But in all seriousness, the ratio of WC3 foreign players that switch and archive success is higher than the ratio of BW foreign players that switch and have success, that's how I call 'doing better than' in my book, but that's just me.
Is it now? What are the ratios?
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On January 30 2012 09:58 THM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:01 Talack wrote:On January 30 2012 08:59 THM wrote:
I think if Flash switched fulltime to SC2 it will take him up to 3 months to become one of the 3 best players in the world, and up to 6 months to become the best. Thanks for using the .000000000001% of BW players to represent the whole at least. I'm not trying to represent anything, just wrote one sentence that sums up an opinion I have.
That statement is not really an opinion, more of a fact :/
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SCBW players are far too invested into scbw to make a proper transition.
The mechanics, the game-sense, the strategies, the timing, all the subtleties that make them the best at scbw will not port over that well. SC2 mechanics are different, the pace of battles is faster, the units and strategies are obviously different as are the timings, counters, etc.
This of course, assuming they even bother to make a switch. The scbw scene is on its way to collapse and retirement seems like a more likely follow-up for the top players.
I'm willing to bet 100 USD the alleged incoming wave of b/a teamers doesn't go further than oGsFin.
The single exception to this rule is Flash due to his impeccable mindset and work ethic which is what made him good at scbw in the first place. Jaedong has lost his edge and ambition.
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