EPTThe Elephant in the Room - Page 255
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
*ForGG got into Code S*: OMG ForGG is amazing! Look at TEH insane Broodwar mechanics! GG SC2 NO RE *ForGG knocked down to Code A*: ForGG was mediocre by the time he retired from Broodwar… *ForGG wins Code A match*: ForGG is back bitches!!! Some Broodwar elitism is kind of getting disgusting imo, Broodwar background is an advantage, but not a dictating factor for success in SC2 imo. As long as you work hard you will do well. With work ethics from ex-War3’ers like Kas, Thorzain and Stephano I won’t doubt that they will do equally as well in Broodwar as they are in SC2. Zenio managed to reach A- on ICCUP within a year of playing Broodwar, and he was a war3 player. Having a BW progamer’s license (much like a college degree) does not magically make you godly in SC2 / your new job, it is the hardwork from the courage tournament that earned you the license, if you failed to bring the hardwork+practice+dedication along with you to SC2 you will fail miserably despite being a former Broodwar pro (Fruitdealer and Tyler are great examples). | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On February 01 2012 06:25 ppshchik wrote: Typical Broodwar Fanboy *ForGG got into Code S*: OMG ForGG is amazing! Look at TEH insane Broodwar mechanics! GG SC2 NO RE *ForGG knocked down to Code A*: ForGG was mediocre by the time he retired from Broodwar… *ForGG wins Code A match*: ForGG is back bitches!!! Some Broodwar elitism is kind of getting disgusting imo, Broodwar background is an advantage, but not a dictating factor for success in SC2 imo. As long as you work hard you will do well. With work ethics from ex-War3’ers like Kas, Thorzain and Stephano I won’t doubt that they will do equally as well in Broodwar as they are in SC2. Zenio managed to reach A- on ICCUP within a year of playing Broodwar, and he was a war3 player. Having a BW progamer’s license (much like a college degree) does not magically make you godly in SC2 / your new job, it is the hardwork from the courage tournament that earned you the license, if you failed to bring the hardwork+practice+dedication along with you to SC2 you will fail miserably despite being a former Broodwar pro (Fruitdealer and Tyler are great examples). I'd say they are different people, I think ForGG has a lot of potential. MVP is still the best player from BW to move across though and he only had a roughly 30-40% win-rate in proleague? The rankings is roughly in order of how good they were in BW at the time of transition, give or take some. The elephant in the room is not ForGG at all and never was neither is Hyun, otherwise MVP would be the elephant as well and he's already playing SC2. I know the OP said 300 progamers or whatever, that's a huge over-exaggeration, the elephant shrinks with every passing year as SC2 evolves more, right now I'd say the elephant is the new gen mid A-teamers, rather than the low A-teamers which was at the time of writing. Neo.G_Soulkey, Bogus, Snow, would all be really good. Also how I wish UpMagic and Savior could play in the GSL, they are semi-vets now and will never be allowed to play, but they would bring something entirely different to the game. | ||
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BritWrangler
United Kingdom120 Posts
On February 01 2012 06:25 ppshchik wrote: Typical Broodwar Fanboy *ForGG got into Code S*: OMG ForGG is amazing! Look at TEH insane Broodwar mechanics! GG SC2 NO RE *ForGG knocked down to Code A*: ForGG was mediocre by the time he retired from Broodwar… *ForGG wins Code A match*: ForGG is back bitches!!! Some Broodwar elitism is kind of getting disgusting imo, Broodwar background is an advantage, but not a dictating factor for success in SC2 imo. As long as you work hard you will do well. With work ethics from ex-War3’ers like Kas, Thorzain and Stephano I won’t doubt that they will do equally as well in Broodwar as they are in SC2. Zenio managed to reach A- on ICCUP within a year of playing Broodwar, and he was a war3 player. Having a BW progamer’s license (much like a college degree) does not magically make you godly in SC2 / your new job, it is the hardwork from the courage tournament that earned you the license, if you failed to bring the hardwork+practice+dedication along with you to SC2 you will fail miserably despite being a former Broodwar pro (Fruitdealer and Tyler are great examples). Do equally well in BW? So you mean taking major championships? Hahahaha I'd love to see stephano even attempt to qualify for a starleague brohan. | ||
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WonkySpecs
United Kingdom13 Posts
Why does this thread keep getting bumped? | ||
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Canada1047 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:17 BritWrangler wrote: Do equally well in BW? So you mean taking major championships? Hahahaha I'd love to see stephano even attempt to qualify for a starleague brohan. To be fair, his first couple of points where good, a BW background is an advantage but not a dictating factor for success in SC2. I agree with that. But its laughable that anyone could think Stephano or Thorzain or any other foreigner really could do as well in BW as they have in Sc2. They wouldn't even be able to get a pro gaming license to try and qualify for a starleague let alone win one...... | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5506 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:29 lowercase wrote: I'll believe this post more when former BW pros make a stronger showing in the SC2 scene. So far Boxer, Nada, and July haven't really shown the tournament wins we would expect. LOL? Is this a troll post? The Korean SC2 scene is dominated by former BW progamers, in case you haven't noticed. ^____^ | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:29 lowercase wrote: I'll believe this post more when former BW pros make a stronger showing in the SC2 scene. So far Boxer, Nada, and July haven't really shown the tournament wins we would expect. Almost all GSL winners so far have been on a BW pro team (with the exception of Polt and not sure about Jjakji). Also pretty much all the people you see regularly in RO8. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3672 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:20 WonkySpecs wrote: The elephant is back... Why does this thread keep getting bumped? Because everytime anyone remotely good from bw switches people who agree with op go like "lololol see how good he is sc2 epzp" while the other side will go "hahahahah see he no gosu!!!!". | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On February 01 2012 06:25 ppshchik wrote: Typical Broodwar Fanboy *ForGG got into Code S*: OMG ForGG is amazing! Look at TEH insane Broodwar mechanics! GG SC2 NO RE *ForGG knocked down to Code A*: ForGG was mediocre by the time he retired from Broodwar… *ForGG wins Code A match*: ForGG is back bitches!!! Some Broodwar elitism is kind of getting disgusting imo, Broodwar background is an advantage, but not a dictating factor for success in SC2 imo. As long as you work hard you will do well. With work ethics from ex-War3’ers like Kas, Thorzain and Stephano I won’t doubt that they will do equally as well in Broodwar as they are in SC2. Zenio managed to reach A- on ICCUP within a year of playing Broodwar, and he was a war3 player. Having a BW progamer’s license (much like a college degree) does not magically make you godly in SC2 / your new job, it is the hardwork from the courage tournament that earned you the license, if you failed to bring the hardwork+practice+dedication along with you to SC2 you will fail miserably despite being a former Broodwar pro (Fruitdealer and Tyler are great examples). But that's basically fact. As much as I loved his play in BW (and still love it in sc2) he was pretty mediocre at the time of his switch. His micro is still sickly good though, I don't think anyone can deny that. And no, none of them would do remotely as well in BW. Stephano doesn't even play 10 hours a day, which is on the low end of most top tier BW players. Also, being A- on ICCUP is LIGHT YEARS below even competing in an sc1 league, let alone being a starleague contender. I also wouldn't really consider FD or Tyler "BW Pros" and one of them has won a GSL and remained in Code S for quite a while. I don't disagree that their work ethic NEEDS to be brought with them if they wish to achieve the same dominance they have in BW, but someone like Jaedong or Flash could switch over and win a GSL without playing 12 hours a day, they're THAT much better. On February 06 2012 06:29 lowercase wrote: I'll believe this post more when former BW pros make a stronger showing in the SC2 scene. So far Boxer, Nada, and July haven't really shown the tournament wins we would expect. ...? As much as I love Nada, Boxer, and July... none of them did anything in BW at the time they were switching. July had an easy road to a Starleague title like 2 YEARS before he switched, and basically did nothing after that. MVP was the best BW player to switch and he's dominating pretty hard. Almost every top-tier Korean player had BW back grounds (MMA, Nestea, MC, etc. played BW professionally) so... | ||
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PeanutsNJam
United States175 Posts
A vast majority of the "BEST PLAYERS EVAR!!!!" (who are "best" because of their w/l) are terran, in both BW and SC2. Just sayin. | ||
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rOse_PedaL
Korea (South)450 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:20 WonkySpecs wrote: The elephant is back... Why does this thread keep getting bumped? I wonder this every time | ||
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Sermokala
United States13818 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On February 01 2012 06:25 ppshchik wrote: Typical Broodwar Fanboy *ForGG got into Code S*: OMG ForGG is amazing! Look at TEH insane Broodwar mechanics! GG SC2 NO RE *ForGG knocked down to Code A*: ForGG was mediocre by the time he retired from Broodwar… *ForGG wins Code A match*: ForGG is back bitches!!! Some Broodwar elitism is kind of getting disgusting imo, Broodwar background is an advantage, but not a dictating factor for success in SC2 imo. As long as you work hard you will do well. With work ethics from ex-War3’ers like Kas, Thorzain and Stephano I won’t doubt that they will do equally as well in Broodwar as they are in SC2. Zenio managed to reach A- on ICCUP within a year of playing Broodwar, and he was a war3 player. Having a BW progamer’s license (much like a college degree) does not magically make you godly in SC2 / your new job, it is the hardwork from the courage tournament that earned you the license, if you failed to bring the hardwork+practice+dedication along with you to SC2 you will fail miserably despite being a former Broodwar pro (Fruitdealer and Tyler are great examples). Not to entirely disagree, but A- on ICCup would be <B team level on a professional BW team. | ||
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Billd
Canada210 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:33 Necro)Phagist( wrote: To be fair, his first couple of points where good, a BW background is an advantage but not a dictating factor for success in SC2. I agree with that. But its laughable that anyone could think Stephano or Thorzain or any other foreigner really could do as well in BW as they have in Sc2. They wouldn't even be able to get a pro gaming license to try and qualify for a starleague let alone win one...... I don't understand these two points 100%. Are you saying they would not be able to compete in BW at all because they are not mechanically sound enough to do so? Or are you implying they do not have the work ethic that BW pros have? I find it hard to accept a point like that when none of those players played BW. This is a big part of the reason I have a problem with a lot of the arguments that rely upon comparisons in this thread. Many of them rely on assumptions. | ||
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Vicarios
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it's not about sc2 players switching to bw and what their skill level would be. it's the other way around! bw pros might arguable have a lot of skills that are redundand in sc2 ( putting workers from main to mineral line ). | ||
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