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Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
January 30 2012 04:14 GMT
#5061
On January 30 2012 11:18 SkimGuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 09:58 THM wrote:
On January 30 2012 09:01 Talack wrote:
On January 30 2012 08:59 THM wrote:
I think if Flash switched fulltime to SC2 it will take him up to 3 months to become one of the 3 best players in the world, and up to 6 months to become the best.


Thanks for using the .000000000001% of BW players to represent the whole at least.


I'm not trying to represent anything, just wrote one sentence that sums up an opinion I have.


That statement is not really an opinion, more of a fact :/


...lol
Bottles
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia44 Posts
January 31 2012 02:33 GMT
#5062
On January 28 2012 23:59 fabiano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 23:56 Bottles wrote:
Bring on the BW pros

EDIT: Is the elephant in the room banner (gsl studio with massive elephant) legit? if not photoshop skills are off the charts


of course its legit, dont you see he is going to enter the booth for his team's next match?


Hahaha, my bad - i didn't actually think it was legit just pointing out the good photoshop skills (My Sarcasm doesn't translate as well as yours does lol.)
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 31 2012 09:26 GMT
#5063
On January 30 2012 13:01 Suvorov wrote:
SCBW players are far too invested into scbw to make a proper transition.

The mechanics, the game-sense, the strategies, the timing, all the subtleties that make them the best at scbw will not port over that well. SC2 mechanics are different, the pace of battles is faster, the units and strategies are obviously different as are the timings, counters, etc.

This of course, assuming they even bother to make a switch. The scbw scene is on its way to collapse and retirement seems like a more likely follow-up for the top players.

I'm willing to bet 100 USD the alleged incoming wave of b/a teamers doesn't go further than oGsFin.

The single exception to this rule is Flash due to his impeccable mindset and work ethic which is what made him good at scbw in the first place. Jaedong has lost his edge and ambition.

And i'll bet over 9000 esports dollars!
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 31 2012 10:00 GMT
#5064
On January 31 2012 18:26 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 13:01 Suvorov wrote:
SCBW players are far too invested into scbw to make a proper transition.

The mechanics, the game-sense, the strategies, the timing, all the subtleties that make them the best at scbw will not port over that well. SC2 mechanics are different, the pace of battles is faster, the units and strategies are obviously different as are the timings, counters, etc.

This of course, assuming they even bother to make a switch. The scbw scene is on its way to collapse and retirement seems like a more likely follow-up for the top players.

I'm willing to bet 100 USD the alleged incoming wave of b/a teamers doesn't go further than oGsFin.

The single exception to this rule is Flash due to his impeccable mindset and work ethic which is what made him good at scbw in the first place. Jaedong has lost his edge and ambition.

And i'll bet over 9000 esports dollars!


Clearly Flash is the only player in BW with a good work ethic.
It's probably IMPOSSIBLE for bw players to switch to sc2 this late because..... sc2 is.. easier?

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand. ForGG has been doing well too hasn't he, even with such a late switch.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
January 31 2012 10:34 GMT
#5065
On January 30 2012 13:01 Suvorov wrote:
SCBW players are far too invested into scbw to make a proper transition.

The mechanics, the game-sense, the strategies, the timing, all the subtleties that make them the best at scbw will not port over that well. SC2 mechanics are different, the pace of battles is faster, the units and strategies are obviously different as are the timings, counters, etc.

This of course, assuming they even bother to make a switch. The scbw scene is on its way to collapse and retirement seems like a more likely follow-up for the top players.

I'm willing to bet 100 USD the alleged incoming wave of b/a teamers doesn't go further than oGsFin.

The single exception to this rule is Flash due to his impeccable mindset and work ethic which is what made him good at scbw in the first place. Jaedong has lost his edge and ambition.

I'd give you 10:1 on that and still consider I was getting great action. Totally clueless if you think ForGG is the only progamer who is going to switch and make it to code S ro32.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 10:37:00
January 31 2012 10:35 GMT
#5066
Are there still a lot of new players entering the pro scene in BW? If not, then I can't see how this argument can endure. No reason to believe that the old generation has some sort of magic the new generation doesn't, and seeing the effect of age on SC pro-gaming, the window of opportunity for BW pro-gamers to make something happen is closing.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 31 2012 10:36 GMT
#5067
On January 31 2012 19:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 18:26 ShadeR wrote:
On January 30 2012 13:01 Suvorov wrote:
SCBW players are far too invested into scbw to make a proper transition.

The mechanics, the game-sense, the strategies, the timing, all the subtleties that make them the best at scbw will not port over that well. SC2 mechanics are different, the pace of battles is faster, the units and strategies are obviously different as are the timings, counters, etc.

This of course, assuming they even bother to make a switch. The scbw scene is on its way to collapse and retirement seems like a more likely follow-up for the top players.

I'm willing to bet 100 USD the alleged incoming wave of b/a teamers doesn't go further than oGsFin.

The single exception to this rule is Flash due to his impeccable mindset and work ethic which is what made him good at scbw in the first place. Jaedong has lost his edge and ambition.

And i'll bet over 9000 esports dollars!


Clearly Flash is the only player in BW with a good work ethic.
It's probably IMPOSSIBLE for bw players to switch to sc2 this late because..... sc2 is.. easier?

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand. ForGG has been doing well too hasn't he, even with such a late switch.


sc2 being easier is just an unprovable bias, not to mention that different people consider different things hard. else we all would be potential Bonjwas.
and Fin didnt even switch late. he has been playing SC2 for nearly a year, as far as I have read in this forum.

but yeah, i disagree as well. a lot of players in any high level competition sport/game would become great players if they switched to SC2 (or BW). But I'm not superhyped for something that's not likely to occur at all.
As long as BW is succesful, switches and domination of top50 BW players are less likely than the switch of a retired sportstar or manager or someone else with good work ethic to SC2.
BlitchizSC2
Profile Joined August 2010
United States306 Posts
January 31 2012 10:48 GMT
#5068
Just wait for april dudes no need to bring up old thread shit-talking fest.
www.twitch.tv/blitchizsc2 | http://www.youtube.com/BlitchizStarcraft ~ fighting!
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
January 31 2012 12:52 GMT
#5069
Where's the bump?

ForGG won baby, elephants in the room fighting!
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
January 31 2012 13:03 GMT
#5070
God, I wish this article was burried deep down already. I think it's one of the reasons for such a big BW->SC2 hate at this site :/
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
January 31 2012 13:04 GMT
#5071
Please someone kill this thread...
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 13:05:30
January 31 2012 13:05 GMT
#5072
The elephant bites back! Still, it's only ro48 Code A and his opponent was not a good player.

Anyways, I predicted the thread bump but wasn't a hard prediction to make lol
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
January 31 2012 13:08 GMT
#5073
They should close this thread until SC1 dies.

Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
January 31 2012 13:19 GMT
#5074
This thread should die.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
January 31 2012 13:26 GMT
#5075
You always know when ForGG is playing when the Elephant thread gets bumped.
Vicarios
Profile Joined March 2011
56 Posts
January 31 2012 14:40 GMT
#5076
still going eh?
sc2 is obviously easier. i mean... i cant move a 200 army in sc1... but..my little bro can in sc2.
i can t macro in sc1 ( even after playing for over a year sc2 ) but it s easy in sc2 ( i mean... but a fucking rally point and click 2 buttons every now and then ).
But i'm happy about that. I m happy that i feel thta my decisoins are far more important, then that i can fucking micro mini unit groups etc. i'm happy i can play this game somewhat high dia even though i don t play crazy much.
i think it's good for a bigger community from scrub to pro, it hink it s good for "esports".
And there's still so much to improve in sc2. when i see gsl army smicroed, its so often so shit, banelings popping on tanks. no marine splits, even big supply blocks. it s just the beginning, 2 expansions, 99% of people playing not near any skill cap what so ever...
seems like 250 pages people identifiying their ego with "who play the harder game". sc1'er be happy u had such a great game and u love it. do you have to prove anything? u should be all quite "old" compared to the sc2 noobs, why do you behave like some elit a**es? and sc2 people could just aknowledge the great skill that went into bringing a game, with shit mechanics, on such a high level.

love and peace? the people that are tpo at the moment are the top existing sc2 players on earth in this moment. everything else is hypothetical and i wonder why u care?

<3
Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
January 31 2012 14:47 GMT
#5077
Could this thread be renamed to "ForGG in the Room" ?
What i know is that I know nothing - [http://twitter.com/UncleKerm]
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 31 2012 14:55 GMT
#5078
Disgusting. People calling for a final edit to be closed.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
January 31 2012 14:57 GMT
#5079
On January 31 2012 22:08 Za7oX wrote:
They should close this thread until SC1 dies.



SC1 is dead, SC:BW on the other hand...
Madder
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia427 Posts
January 31 2012 14:59 GMT
#5080
On January 30 2012 13:01 Suvorov wrote:
SCBW players are far too invested into scbw to make a proper transition.

The mechanics, the game-sense, the strategies, the timing, all the subtleties that make them the best at scbw will not port over that well. SC2 mechanics are different, the pace of battles is faster, the units and strategies are obviously different as are the timings, counters, etc.

This of course, assuming they even bother to make a switch. The scbw scene is on its way to collapse and retirement seems like a more likely follow-up for the top players.

I'm willing to bet 100 USD the alleged incoming wave of b/a teamers doesn't go further than oGsFin.

The single exception to this rule is Flash due to his impeccable mindset and work ethic which is what made him good at scbw in the first place. Jaedong has lost his edge and ambition.


Haha, man. I know Flash is a no-brainer but ruling out his entire competition? LOL
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