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On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument.
He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum .
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Instead of just putting players in categories like ex-bw, ex-wc3 etc. we should look at them as individuals. There are a lot of factors that result in success (or lack of it) in sc2. What if Flash doesn't feel the same spark in sc2 as he did in bw and isn't motivated enough to try his earnest like what seems to have happened to Nada who has lost some bo3s to petty foreigners. Does the origin of player really matter that much from the viewer's point of view as long as we get to see the very best players in action.
On the other hand, even in real life some nations dominate in some specific sport but that doesn't stop us from holding local tournaments like European championships etc. where you can cheer on your countrymen.
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On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum .
So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match
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On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match
All GSL winners except Polt?
Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard.
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On January 29 2012 22:16 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) That has already been answered by players like Grubby, Happy, Infi and Check.
Check wasnt really that top-tier, Happy wasnt either. Infi doesnt play fulltime (and how has it been answered by him? he hasnt nearly played in tournaments at all). Grubby played Orc (;P)
On January 29 2012 22:18 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) But on the other hand some of (if not) the very best (Moon, Grubby) have not done that well. Including Sase himself. Seems to me that there is not all that much correlation between history in WC3 and SC2. I think the notion of elephant in the room was misunderstood by Choboo.
I dont understand why write Moon there, he just made the switch to sc2 and before that he wasnt playing it fulltime. And although not playing it fulltime had top placings at all foreign events he attended?
While not playing the game full time he still managed to get:
2nd Dreamhack Summer (Eliminated Bomber, lost to HuK 3-2)
2nd IEM World Finals
2nd China 3D Games (Eliminated MC and NaDa)
2nd IPL 4 Pacific (placed ahead of MC, Naniwa, SaSe, Sen etc.)
8th at MLG Columbus
8th at NASL Finals.
Moon is probably the best wc3 example of the "elephant in the room".
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On January 29 2012 23:23 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:16 Longshank wrote:On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) That has already been answered by players like Grubby, Happy, Infi and Check. Check wasnt really that top-tier, Happy wasnt either. Infi doesnt play fulltime (and how has it been answered by him? he hasnt nearly played in tournaments at all). Grubby played Orc (;P) Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:18 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) But on the other hand some of (if not) the very best (Moon, Grubby) have not done that well. Including Sase himself. Seems to me that there is not all that much correlation between history in WC3 and SC2. I think the notion of elephant in the room was misunderstood by Choboo. I dont understand why write Moon there, he just made the switch to sc2 and before that he wasnt playing it fulltime. And although not playing it fulltime had top placings at all foreign events he attended? While not playing the game full time he still managed to get: 2nd Dreamhack Summer (Eliminated Bomber, lost to HuK 3-2) 2nd IEM World Finals 2nd China 3D Games (Eliminated MC and NaDa) 2nd IPL 4 Pacific (placed ahead of MKP, Naniwa, SaSe, Sen etc.) 8th at MLG Columbus 8th at NASL Finals. Moon is probably the best wc3 example of the "elephant in the room".
I kinda agree with this.
Moon is just the best example
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On January 29 2012 23:23 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:16 Longshank wrote:On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) That has already been answered by players like Grubby, Happy, Infi and Check. Check wasnt really that top-tier, Happy wasnt either. Infi doesnt play fulltime (and how has it been answered by him? he hasnt nearly played in tournaments at all). Grubby played Orc (;P) Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:18 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) But on the other hand some of (if not) the very best (Moon, Grubby) have not done that well. Including Sase himself. Seems to me that there is not all that much correlation between history in WC3 and SC2. I think the notion of elephant in the room was misunderstood by Choboo. I dont understand why write Moon there, he just made the switch to sc2 and before that he wasnt playing it fulltime. And although not playing it fulltime had top placings at all foreign events he attended? While not playing the game full time he still managed to get: 2nd Dreamhack Summer (Eliminated Bomber, lost to HuK 3-2) 2nd IEM World Finals 2nd China 3D Games (Eliminated MC and NaDa) 2nd IPL 4 Pacific (placed ahead of MKP, Naniwa, SaSe, Sen etc.) 8th at MLG Columbus 8th at NASL Finals. Moon is probably the best wc3 example of the "elephant in the room".
2nd IPL pacific, placed ahead of "MKP".
I'm pretty sure that MKP won the IPL pacific lol.
Moon will be really scary if he plays fulltime sc2 yeah, but we don't know how much he practiced so we can't conclude anything since : "not playing the game full time" is a little bit vague
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On January 29 2012 22:58 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match All GSL winners except Polt? Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard.
Exactly everyone who has won a GSL except Polt are former BW pros .
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On January 29 2012 23:27 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:23 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:16 Longshank wrote:On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) That has already been answered by players like Grubby, Happy, Infi and Check. Check wasnt really that top-tier, Happy wasnt either. Infi doesnt play fulltime (and how has it been answered by him? he hasnt nearly played in tournaments at all). Grubby played Orc (;P) On January 29 2012 22:18 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) But on the other hand some of (if not) the very best (Moon, Grubby) have not done that well. Including Sase himself. Seems to me that there is not all that much correlation between history in WC3 and SC2. I think the notion of elephant in the room was misunderstood by Choboo. I dont understand why write Moon there, he just made the switch to sc2 and before that he wasnt playing it fulltime. And although not playing it fulltime had top placings at all foreign events he attended? While not playing the game full time he still managed to get: 2nd Dreamhack Summer (Eliminated Bomber, lost to HuK 3-2) 2nd IEM World Finals 2nd China 3D Games (Eliminated MC and NaDa) 2nd IPL 4 Pacific (placed ahead of MKP, Naniwa, SaSe, Sen etc.) 8th at MLG Columbus 8th at NASL Finals. Moon is probably the best wc3 example of the "elephant in the room". 2nd IPL pacific, placed ahead of "MKP". I'm pretty sure that MKP won the IPL pacific lol. Moon will be really scary if he plays fulltime sc2 yeah, but we don't know how much he practiced so we can't conclude anything since : "not playing the game full time" is a little bit vague
Sorry i was thinking about MC.
I think he mentioned in an interview at WCG that he had been practicing 33% sc2 and 66% wc3.
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On January 29 2012 23:27 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:23 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:16 Longshank wrote:On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) That has already been answered by players like Grubby, Happy, Infi and Check. Check wasnt really that top-tier, Happy wasnt either. Infi doesnt play fulltime (and how has it been answered by him? he hasnt nearly played in tournaments at all). Grubby played Orc (;P) On January 29 2012 22:18 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:12 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 22:01 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 21:27 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 To be fair SaSe represents the other elephant (the WC3 one) I don't think it's an elephant because people don't know what you mean. What do you mean? He means the wc3 pros. Sase was one of the foreigners that lived in China (wc3 mecca) and managed to compete with the Chinese players. Many people (at least in eu) have been discussing whether if players like sky, fly100%, infi,th000 will be able to dominate the sc2 scene since the mid tier and low tier wc3 players that switched over have had much success (nani, kas, thorzain, sjow etc.) But on the other hand some of (if not) the very best (Moon, Grubby) have not done that well. Including Sase himself. Seems to me that there is not all that much correlation between history in WC3 and SC2. I think the notion of elephant in the room was misunderstood by Choboo. I dont understand why write Moon there, he just made the switch to sc2 and before that he wasnt playing it fulltime. And although not playing it fulltime had top placings at all foreign events he attended? While not playing the game full time he still managed to get: 2nd Dreamhack Summer (Eliminated Bomber, lost to HuK 3-2) 2nd IEM World Finals 2nd China 3D Games (Eliminated MC and NaDa) 2nd IPL 4 Pacific (placed ahead of MKP, Naniwa, SaSe, Sen etc.) 8th at MLG Columbus 8th at NASL Finals. Moon is probably the best wc3 example of the "elephant in the room". 2nd IPL pacific, placed ahead of "MKP". I'm pretty sure that MKP won the IPL pacific lol. Moon will be really scary if he plays fulltime sc2 yeah, but we don't know how much he practiced so we can't conclude anything since : "not playing the game full time" is a little bit vague
Regarding the IPL Pacific MKP/Moon stuff, You mean this?
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On January 29 2012 23:29 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 22:58 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match All GSL winners except Polt? Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard. Exactly everyone who has won a GSL except Polt are former BW pros .
Jjakji is a former BW pro?
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On January 29 2012 23:58 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:29 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:58 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match All GSL winners except Polt? Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard. Exactly everyone who has won a GSL except Polt are former BW pros . Jjakji is a former BW pro?
He's only 17, so I dont think so.
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On January 29 2012 23:58 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:29 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:58 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match All GSL winners except Polt? Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard. Exactly everyone who has won a GSL except Polt are former BW pros . Jjakji is a former BW pro?
And I heard Nestea and MC are B-teamers. I really think BW players bring over a good work ethic and good mechanics so they learn the game faster and get to the current state of play faster. Doesn't mean they are naturally better and win GSLs left and right.
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On January 30 2012 00:06 frucisky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:58 Neelia wrote:On January 29 2012 23:29 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:58 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match All GSL winners except Polt? Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard. Exactly everyone who has won a GSL except Polt are former BW pros . Jjakji is a former BW pro? And I heard Nestea and MC are B-teamers. I really think BW players bring over a good work ethic and good mechanics so they learn the game faster and get to the current state of play faster. Doesn't mean they are naturally better and win GSLs left and right.
I personally think this rather has to do with beeing a former progamer rather than beeing a former bw-player actually. Obviously the BW players have an edge on mechanics, and maybe wc3 players might have an edge on micro (I dont think I'm the only one who has made the observation that most former wc3 players that play protoss have a really strong pvp).
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On January 30 2012 00:02 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:58 Neelia wrote:On January 29 2012 23:29 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:58 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match All GSL winners except Polt? Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard. Exactly everyone who has won a GSL except Polt are former BW pros . Jjakji is a former BW pro? He's only 17, so I dont think so.
Probably a high level amateur in BW like leenock . Most SC2 players in korea have BW experience since the game is really popular there . I should have added semi - pros .Because there are some players like DRG who were only practice partners since they didn't win courage , but almost all of them were high level BW players .
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On January 30 2012 00:02 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:58 Neelia wrote:On January 29 2012 23:29 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:58 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match All GSL winners except Polt? Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard. Exactly everyone who has won a GSL except Polt are former BW pros . Jjakji is a former BW pro? He's only 17, so I dont think so.
He was a practice partner but I don't think he was actually on any professional team (he isn't in TLPD).
Anyway, it is pretty stupid to say things such as "BW pros haven't distinguished themselves" when 90% of the top SC2 players happen to be former BW b-teamers/practice partners. That isn't at all the point of this thread.
And there is nothing conclusive that WC3 pros have performed better than BW foreigners. Looking at premier SC2 tournament winners it is quite even on who took 1st place finishes among non-Korean backgrounds. Take that with a grain of salt but also consider that only Idra and Ret were really capable of competing with B-team Korean BW pros.
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On January 30 2012 00:18 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:02 Eee wrote:On January 29 2012 23:58 Neelia wrote:On January 29 2012 23:29 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:58 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match All GSL winners except Polt? Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard. Exactly everyone who has won a GSL except Polt are former BW pros . Jjakji is a former BW pro? He's only 17, so I dont think so. He was a practice partner but I don't think he was actually on any professional team (he isn't in TLPD).
Any source on that? Thanks. 
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On January 30 2012 00:11 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:06 frucisky wrote:On January 29 2012 23:58 Neelia wrote:On January 29 2012 23:29 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:58 Squeegy wrote:On January 29 2012 22:55 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:46 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:On January 29 2012 22:22 raga4ka wrote:On January 29 2012 17:43 dsousa wrote:
Sase over ForGG 2-0 in the FXOpen... or
White Dude dominates former BW Proleague Champion and defeater of Flash.
0.0 What about Hyun ? He practised SC2 for 3 months and dominated Jinro who practises SC2 in the oGs house since SC2's release ? You can't deny the BW pro's results . Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument. He joined TSL in november and thats when he started playing competitively . Yeah he probably played games before on ladder , but has only competed professionaly for 3 months and as you can see he made Code A and beat Jinro in the FXOpen . You can't deny this results . Not to mention that he couldn't have possibly been playing more then 6 months since he was playing BW for MBCgame before they disbannded and only switched recently because no team picked him up . So i am pretty sure he hasn't played more then four months of SC2 maximum . So its 6 months now? come on guys... ill see an elephant when one of them wins a GSL, not when they win a match All GSL winners except Polt? Capu: Motivation is a good point. Some people will not make it because they lost the spark and simply are not trying that hard. Exactly everyone who has won a GSL except Polt are former BW pros . Jjakji is a former BW pro? And I heard Nestea and MC are B-teamers. I really think BW players bring over a good work ethic and good mechanics so they learn the game faster and get to the current state of play faster. Doesn't mean they are naturally better and win GSLs left and right. I personally think this rather has to do with beeing a former progamer rather than beeing a former bw-player actually. Obviously the BW players have an edge on mechanics, and maybe wc3 players might have an edge on micro (I dont think I'm the only one who has made the observation that most former wc3 players that play protoss have a really strong pvp).
This is true , but where else do you expect for a player to come and dominate SC2 other then the korean BW proscene ? Except former WC3 pros i don't know from what other games pros will have advantages when switching to SC2 and the game is more similar to BW then any other game. People always talk that it's a different game , but it's also its sequel which doesn't make it that much different .
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On January 29 2012 22:34 Sanjuro wrote:
Seriously where do you guys get the facts for "he has been practicing for amount of time and he dominates bla bla bla" Please don't use that as an argument.
Quoted from Hyun's liquipedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HyuN
HyuN began playing StarCraft II in November 2011, and was able to move up to Master League within the month [1]. On November 28th, he eventually stepped-up and joined Team SCV Life [2]. He stated that he planned to qualify for the first GSL Code A Championship of 2012, and to compete in foreign events as well [1]. He eventually managed to earn a spot in Code A at his first attempt, in the 2012 Global StarCraft II League Season 1 preliminaries, with a win over Weekend.
People may be exaggerating the amount of time fOrGG played, but Hyun is going to be very good after looking at his recent games.
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So some people consider MC, MVP, NESTEA, MMA as Elephants now? You really need to reread the article or maybe you haven't read it at all. Here is a big hint The competition in SC2 thus far has been a farce.
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