EPTIf he was playing bw as he is now, he would be s class.
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
If he was playing bw as he is now, he would be s class. | ||
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
On January 29 2012 14:47 Steveling wrote: MMA didn't have his current work ethic in bw, just saying. Also he wasn't in the scene for long. Shortly after he joined sc2 was announced so he decided to play the new game since he didn't have any emotional ties with bw. If he was playing bw as he is now, he would be s class. I hate it when people post silly statements such as yours. MMA would will never be as talented as Flash. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On January 29 2012 14:47 Steveling wrote: MMA didn't have his current work ethic in bw, just saying. Also he wasn't in the scene for long. Shortly after he joined sc2 was announced so he decided to play the new game since he didn't have any emotional ties with bw. If he was playing bw as he is now, he would be s class. I was going to agree with you until you said he would be S class. Get that crap out of here, you have no idea what that means for BW | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:02 FlyingDike wrote: I hate it when people post silly statements such as yours. MMA would will never be as talented as Flash. Thank you for backing up that statement with your wonderful evidence and mountains of data. Since this is the internet I would be incredibly shocked to see somebody be hypocritical by calling someone who uses facts to back up their idea as silly and then post a blatant statement with no evidence. | ||
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
On January 29 2012 14:35 Adreme wrote: I just want to know what was going in his head when he saw all those units. I wonder if it was "oh you gotta be kidding me" or "sweet I just won this game" I guess he thought he won, so he basically attacked and lost all of those units... hahah | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:04 1Eris1 wrote: I was going to agree with you until you said he would be S class. Get that crap out of here, you have no idea what that means for BW We'll see when BW dies and he switches over. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:04 1Eris1 wrote: I was going to agree with you until you said he would be S class. Get that crap out of here, you have no idea what that means for BW Yeah in Broodwar that's like Flash, Jaedong and Bisu only with Stork, Fantasy and a few others hovering near there. No way he's S class in bw. At best he's a regular line-up appearance in proleague. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:05 Apollo_Shards wrote: Thank you for backing up that statement with your wonderful evidence and mountains of data. Since this is the internet I would be incredibly shocked to see somebody be hypocritical by calling someone who uses facts to back up their idea as silly and then post a blatant statement with no evidence. There is no sense in using reason against delusion. Your remarks do not apply to this case where the truth is obvious. EDIT: Also, your wrong in implying that he posted "evidence," as any half-witted individual can see. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:07 Apollo_Shards wrote: We'll see when BW dies and he switches over. You're going to have to wait for a long time...as long as there is money to be made in BW, there is no way that Flash is switching over. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:12 FlyingDike wrote: There is no sense in using reason against delusion. Your remarks do not apply to this case where the truth is obvious. EDIT: Also, your wrong in implying that he posted "evidence," as any half-witted individual can see. I'm right because I'm right because its obvious. | ||
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:13 Whatson wrote: You're going to have to wait for a long time...as long as there is money to be made in BW, there is no way that Flash is switching over. a few months...i give it a year max. actually when HOTS is out, i expect everyone to transition | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On January 29 2012 14:47 Steveling wrote: MMA didn't have his current work ethic in bw, just saying. Also he wasn't in the scene for long. Shortly after he joined sc2 was announced so he decided to play the new game since he didn't have any emotional ties with bw. If he was playing bw as he is now, he would be s class. Based on what? There has arguably been only 6 S-class players in the last 4 years (Bisu, Jaedong, Flash, Stork, Fantasy, Effort imo). What makes you so certain MMA could have broken into that elite class of players? | ||
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FuRRyChoBo
United States218 Posts
As much as I love Flash and everything that is BW and despise almost everything that is SC2, it's REALLY hard to say how the top BW players would transition. Obviously a lot of them would do very well, but a lot of the current success in BW comes from mechanical advantages since the game is so standardized now (not that that's a bad thing, it just kind of happens after being worked at meticulously for over a decade). The fact that it's easier to macro and micro in SC2 (don't kid yourself...it is) means that a lot of the mechanical advantages of Brood War will simply be negated entirely. My heart says Lee Young Ho bonjwa forever~, but my brain says it's really too hard to say. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:13 Whatson wrote: You're going to have to wait for a long time...as long as there is money to be made in BW, there is no way that Flash is switching over. The BW scene is anemicin my opinion. What do you guys get now? The occasional teamleague? Compare that to the endless amount of SC2 tournaments. There looks like there is much more money to be made in SC2, so money wont hold them forever. | ||
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woobsauce
United States491 Posts
On January 29 2012 14:35 sluggaslamoo wrote: For one I think the 300 bw players switching and dominating is a bit of an over-exaggeration, and I don't think that point should ever be taken seriously. I would define the elephant as the high-A and S class players which would never lose to a lower A or B teamer, MVP is currently the best BW player to switch and he is the best at SC2 as well, we can't expect ForGG to do much better. ForGG's potential lies in the fact that he had a huge domination MSL run and was then known as the timing attack Terran, its possible that we might see this magic happen in SC2 also, and that's what most BW players are hoping for. Until he gets his fundamentals up to scratch, he won't be creating many builds. Also you have to consider the time of the writing of this article, SC2 has changed a lot since then. The context of the article was for the current time, therefore its obvious that the gap will narrow as we go a long. Almost nobody denies that if the TBLS took SC2 seriously, it would be a whole other game. It is now highly likely that if a high level A teamer switched, he would make a big difference. But its arguable now for the lesser A and B teamers and that includes MVP and ForGG. You have to keep in mind that most progamers will practise the same amount, in a defeatest sense, what separates top players from the rest is really genetics and their ability to just improve at an astronomical rate. MVP nor ForGG both lesser A-teamers, never really had this kind of ability. That's why so many people believed that if a top player move across it would be total domination, just by looking at their play, you really can't believe they are human. That said MMA is recent B teamer to switch and he made a huge impact on the team when he appeared. ForGG's efforts are no less than very impressive for a first run, defeating Polt and putting up a great fight against Leenock and MC, it wasn't like the normal pubstomping you see from new generation players. A lot of people are putting way, way too much stock into the fact that for the short duration that MMA played BW he was "just a B-teamer." His tenure in BW was actually quite short, but it should be noted that MMA was scouted by Oov the same way Oov was scouted by Boxer. Oov even mentioned in interviews that MMA was able to play and read the game extremely well for how short his time in the team was. Boxer was well aware of MMA's abilities/potential to be a strong pro gamer in both mentality and ability when selecting for his team to be created in sc2. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:29 Apollo_Shards wrote: The BW scene is anemicin my opinion. What do you guys get now? The occasional teamleague? Compare that to the endless amount of SC2 tournaments. There looks like there is much more money to be made in SC2, so money wont hold them forever. First its regular organized proleague where actual teams gather to play against each other. Also, as I far as I know, there is only GSL in Korea and they're not getting popular. Sponsers will stay where there are bigger fanbase which clearly is BW right now. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On January 29 2012 15:29 Apollo_Shards wrote: The BW scene is anemicin my opinion. What do you guys get now? The occasional teamleague? Compare that to the endless amount of SC2 tournaments. There looks like there is much more money to be made in SC2, so money wont hold them forever. Flash made something like 400k last year. And BW is still leaps and bounds ahead of SC2 in terms of popularity in Korea, but okay. On January 29 2012 15:07 Apollo_Shards wrote: We'll see when BW dies and he switches over. What does that even mean? We're talking about MMA, not Flash. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:37 Micket wrote: At the time of this article's writing, sc2 pros weren't that impressive to watch. They got a ton better though. And that the 300 number was always a gross exaggeration. These days most people would say 30 rather than 300. And it would likely take longer than 3 months. If the top 30 regular A-teamers switched they would have what Intrigue called 'the potential to dominate'. I'd expect them to push out 50-75% at most of the current Code S players in GSL. And as time goes by and the skill rises in sc2, I'd expect that to keep getting smaller. | ||
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