EPTThe Elephant in the Room - Page 247
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jkang
United States404 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On January 29 2012 08:14 jkang wrote: Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what exactly does the elephant represent? I mean, what does this "elephant in the room" mean? its a saying that you use when there is something very obvious that no one wanna talk about, for what ever reason. I dont know if there is a story behind why there is an elephant and not something else... but it just means that there is an Elephant in the room that no one wanna talk about because XXX. OP's point with the elephant in the room is that the elephant is the "low quality" of the SC2 players, and that everybody can see it but no one wanna say something about it. (Also keep in mind that this article is about 6months old..) Hope that clears it up =) | ||
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Melo.
United States63 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 29 2012 08:14 jkang wrote: Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what exactly does the elephant represent? I mean, what does this "elephant in the room" mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room According to Wikipedia, anyway. Take it with however much salt you please.  | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On January 29 2012 08:14 jkang wrote: Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what exactly does the elephant represent? I mean, what does this "elephant in the room" mean? Its a SC sense, it means that all SC2 players are in danger of being crushed by the Elephant (BW players). Because, BW players are omnipotent skill beasts and SC2 players are just scrubs who couldn't cut it in the real RTS world. This theory has been debunked, yet those with faith still believe in the Elephant. Before the Elephant was "300 BW players, who could switch at a moments notice and dominate SC2".... now, I think even the most ardent defender of the OP would say, maybe just Flash and the top BW players are the elephant. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On January 29 2012 08:47 dsousa wrote: Its a SC sense, it means that all SC2 players are in danger of being crushed by the Elephant (BW players). Because, BW players are omnipotent skill beasts and SC2 players are just scrubs who couldn't cut it in the real RTS world. This theory has been debunked, yet those with faith still believe in the Elephant. Before the Elephant was "300 BW players, who could switch at a moments notice and dominate SC2".... now, I think even the most ardent defender of the OP would say, maybe just Flash and the top BW players are the elephant. Haha wait how in the hell has if been debunked? | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On January 29 2012 08:57 1Eris1 wrote: Haha wait how in the hell has if been debunked? It can't really be debunked per say, since one can always keep claiming that the BW switchers were "past their prime" or some such excuse, but the entire argument is pretty silly with hindsight. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:00 Dalavita wrote: It can't really be debunked per say, since one can always keep claiming that the BW switchers were "past their prime" or some such excuse, but the entire argument is pretty silly with hindsight. Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 29 2012 07:23 ceaRshaf wrote: Because idra gives the illusion of insane macro just because he takes big risks. Just rush him a little and you gain a rage quit from him. No clue why this myth keeps floating around either. IdrA crushes most standard pushes, unless you have extremely good micro. He's just terrible at scouting the difference between standard expand builds and all-ins. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:05 1Eris1 wrote: Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example. Moreover, there is always the exception that proves the rule. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:10 Squeegy wrote: Moreover, there is always the exception that proves the rule. My point was more, one player does not prove the rule one way or another. And we should either wait until a huge portion of BW pros do (if Kespa switches, etc) or perhaps an actual S class player switches. Otherwise this thread is just gonna be crap | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:05 1Eris1 wrote: Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example. I guess we'll just keep waiting then..... A year ago, it was conceivable that it would happen, but now it just seems silly, at least to me. I'll enjoy the slow process of you changing your mind though :D | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:00 Dalavita wrote: It can't really be debunked per say, since one can always keep claiming that the BW switchers were "past their prime" or some such excuse, but the entire argument is pretty silly with hindsight. If you're talking about ForGG then yes he was past his prime and he still made it to Code S even though top Terrans *sarcasm* like Puma couldn't. MVP was the best at the time he switched and he's the best in SC2 (or one of the best depending on how you feel about MMA). We will see who's right in the end. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
I hope we will never see this fucking elephant. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:05 1Eris1 wrote: Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example. The ForGG case does not prove because of the fact that he had been laddering like a madman 6 months prior to his oGs debut and was also a top Korean gm for a long time. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:27 Eee wrote: The ForGG case does not prove because of the fact that he had been laddering like a madman 6 months prior to his oGs debut and was also a top Korean gm for a long time. So? Why is there a time limit? | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:22 fabiano wrote: The only way to prove the elephant would be all the current A-teamers switching rightnow and eventually letting BW cease to exist. I hope we will never see this fucking elephant. hear hear... | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
Otherwise the entire debate is pointless since almost every great RTS player played Starcraft 1 (the rest played warcraft 3). The whole point of the article is that there are 200 people who at drop of a dime and only 2 months training could roll over the competition and that because of that the current sc2 competition is a farce. I love Forgg and actually thought he would win but that didnt happen and he lost to leenock and a jetlagged mc. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:22 fabiano wrote: The only way to prove the elephant would be all the current A-teamers switching rightnow and eventually letting BW cease to exist. I hope we will never see this fucking elephant. but, we need stork and bisu to close that fucking sad zealot thread. ;-) | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:30 Condor Hero wrote: So? Why is there a time limit? Elephant in the Room: Players can spend a lot of time practicing SC2 and eventually become top tier. Oooh, terrifying. | ||
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