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At the time of this article's writing, sc2 pros weren't that impressive to watch. They got a ton better though.
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On January 29 2012 09:37 Micket wrote:
At the time of this article's writing, sc2 pros weren't that impressive to watch. They got a ton better though.
Indeed they have. I have no doubt that Stephano today would have crushed Fruitdealer in GSL 1.
The game has changed an incredible amount and each matchup as well.
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On January 29 2012 09:47 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 09:37 Micket wrote:
At the time of this article's writing, sc2 pros weren't that impressive to watch. They got a ton better though. Indeed they have. I have no doubt that Stephano today would have crushed Fruitdealer in GSL 1. The game has changed an incredible amount and each matchup as well.
any progamer today could probably crush fruitdealer in gsl 1 . . . . the game and strategies have changed so much.
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On January 29 2012 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 09:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 09:37 Micket wrote:
At the time of this article's writing, sc2 pros weren't that impressive to watch. They got a ton better though. Indeed they have. I have no doubt that Stephano today would have crushed Fruitdealer in GSL 1. The game has changed an incredible amount and each matchup as well. any progamer today could probably crush fruitdealer in gsl 1 . . . . the game and strategies have changed so much.
Ok, so has Flash improved at SC2 as much as SC2 players? No way... so how could that 18 months not have killed the elephant?
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On January 29 2012 09:50 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 29 2012 09:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 09:37 Micket wrote:
At the time of this article's writing, sc2 pros weren't that impressive to watch. They got a ton better though. Indeed they have. I have no doubt that Stephano today would have crushed Fruitdealer in GSL 1. The game has changed an incredible amount and each matchup as well. any progamer today could probably crush fruitdealer in gsl 1 . . . . the game and strategies have changed so much. Ok, so has Flash improved at SC2 as much as SC2 players? No way... so how could that 18 months not have killed the elephant?
what? i think there may be a typo in here somewhere.
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On January 29 2012 09:50 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 29 2012 09:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 09:37 Micket wrote:
At the time of this article's writing, sc2 pros weren't that impressive to watch. They got a ton better though. Indeed they have. I have no doubt that Stephano today would have crushed Fruitdealer in GSL 1. The game has changed an incredible amount and each matchup as well. any progamer today could probably crush fruitdealer in gsl 1 . . . . the game and strategies have changed so much. Ok, so has Flash improved at SC2 as much as SC2 players? No way... so how could that 18 months not have killed the elephant?
Is that based on knowledge of him playing SC2 (more than casually)?
I think this thread is extremely insulting to fans. People are smart enough to see good play, like we saw from forGG. His code A games and his build against Leenock in g1 of their match were incredibly impressive. Bomber was also similarly impressive and he's struggling now. Players earn their fans, and in their more impressive moments, Bomber and forGG won a ton of fans.
If BW pros make the mass switch and put even the best current SC2 pros to shame (my short list: Mvp, MMA, DRG, MC, JJakji), we'll still remember these as good times, but we'll also readily embrace "new" faces. It happens in any sport. As far as I can tell, the point of this thread was more "savory condescension" than anything else. It's the equivalent of a Starcraft Screwtape Letter. I'll be happiest when its only half right, since there actually are good points to glean. The future need not be doom and gloom. SC2 is going to improve with or without the BW gosus switching, that would just speed up the process a little.
The thread did a fine job of inviting discussion, no doubt.
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On January 29 2012 09:05 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 09:00 Dalavita wrote:On January 29 2012 08:57 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 08:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 08:14 jkang wrote:
Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what exactly does the elephant represent? I mean, what does this "elephant in the room" mean? Its a SC sense, it means that all SC2 players are in danger of being crushed by the Elephant (BW players). Because, BW players are omnipotent skill beasts and SC2 players are just scrubs who couldn't cut it in the real RTS world. This theory has been debunked, yet those with faith still believe in the Elephant. Before the Elephant was "300 BW players, who could switch at a moments notice and dominate SC2".... now, I think even the most ardent defender of the OP would say, maybe just Flash and the top BW players are the elephant. Haha wait how in the hell has if been debunked? It can't really be debunked per say, since one can always keep claiming that the BW switchers were "past their prime" or some such excuse, but the entire argument is pretty silly with hindsight. Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example.
Since his code A run, forGG has 1 win in 11 games and is currently on a 6 loss streak.
About MVP, before forGG in GSLif you read the thread "MVP is nothing compared to forGG".
Now it's "forGG is a terrible example, MVP is the one that prove the elephant".
MVP was playing starcraft 2 and was winning some GSL when this article was written. He was considered mediocre.
The elephant is more like a chameleon now. He's always adapting perfectly to the circonstances.
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If every BW pro switched right now, Code S and Code A would look a lot different in a few months. I think that's all the op was trying to say.
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On January 29 2012 10:02 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 09:50 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 29 2012 09:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 09:37 Micket wrote:
At the time of this article's writing, sc2 pros weren't that impressive to watch. They got a ton better though. Indeed they have. I have no doubt that Stephano today would have crushed Fruitdealer in GSL 1. The game has changed an incredible amount and each matchup as well. any progamer today could probably crush fruitdealer in gsl 1 . . . . the game and strategies have changed so much. Ok, so has Flash improved at SC2 as much as SC2 players? No way... so how could that 18 months not have killed the elephant? Is that based on knowledge of him playing SC2 (more than casually)? I think this thread is extremely insulting to fans. People are smart enough to see good play, like we saw from forGG. His code A games and his build against Leenock in g1 of their match were incredibly impressive. Bomber was also similarly impressive and he's struggling now. Players earn their fans, and in their more impressive moments, Bomber and forGG won a ton of fans. If BW pros make the mass switch and put even the best current SC2 pros to shame (my short list: Mvp, MMA, DRG, MC, JJakji), we'll still remember these as good times, but we'll also readily embrace "new" faces. It happens in any sport. As far as I can tell, the point of this thread was more "savory condescension" than anything else. It's the equivalent of a Starcraft Screwtape Letter. I'll be happiest when its only half right, since there actually are good points to glean. The future need not be doom and gloom. SC2 is going to improve with or without the BW gosus switching, that would just speed up the process a little. The thread did a fine job of inviting discussion, no doubt.
I assume he hasn't played much at all. Which means he's just 18 months behind.
Some BW pro's, like Fruitdealer and Rainbow haven't really gotten any better either in those 18 months, and we see now they're struggling not near the top of the pack.
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On January 29 2012 10:04 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 09:05 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 09:00 Dalavita wrote:On January 29 2012 08:57 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 08:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 08:14 jkang wrote:
Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what exactly does the elephant represent? I mean, what does this "elephant in the room" mean? Its a SC sense, it means that all SC2 players are in danger of being crushed by the Elephant (BW players). Because, BW players are omnipotent skill beasts and SC2 players are just scrubs who couldn't cut it in the real RTS world. This theory has been debunked, yet those with faith still believe in the Elephant. Before the Elephant was "300 BW players, who could switch at a moments notice and dominate SC2".... now, I think even the most ardent defender of the OP would say, maybe just Flash and the top BW players are the elephant. Haha wait how in the hell has if been debunked? It can't really be debunked per say, since one can always keep claiming that the BW switchers were "past their prime" or some such excuse, but the entire argument is pretty silly with hindsight. Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example. Since his code A run, forGG has 1 win in 11 games and is currently on a 6 loss streak. About MVP, before forGG in GSLif you read the thread "MVP is nothing compared to forGG". Now it's "forGG is a terrible example, MVP is the one that prove the elephant". MVP was playing starcraft 2 and was winning some GSL when this article was written. He was considered mediocre. The elephant is more like a chameleon now. He's always adapting perfectly to the circonstances.
You're trying to contrast someone's post with my own. No where have I said "MVP is nothing compared to Forgg". I don't agree with everything in this article, I thought I had made that clear.
And nor did I say MVP is the one proving or disproving the elephant. I just said he was better than Forgg when he switched, so expecting Forgg to do better than him is actually wrong going off of this articles criteria.
Oh, and a quick look at TLPD says you're wrong, but you are right, he is slumping. Maybe he's training for Code A, maybe he's overrated, i dunno.
Yes, the elephant is sort of like a chamealon, but some of it's critics are trying to default it because it's preforming like an african elephant instead of an asian elephant, when the elephant only ever claimed to be an elephant...if you want to use animals to describe the point.
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On January 29 2012 10:08 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 10:02 Ansinjunger wrote:On January 29 2012 09:50 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 29 2012 09:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 09:37 Micket wrote:
At the time of this article's writing, sc2 pros weren't that impressive to watch. They got a ton better though. Indeed they have. I have no doubt that Stephano today would have crushed Fruitdealer in GSL 1. The game has changed an incredible amount and each matchup as well. any progamer today could probably crush fruitdealer in gsl 1 . . . . the game and strategies have changed so much. Ok, so has Flash improved at SC2 as much as SC2 players? No way... so how could that 18 months not have killed the elephant? Is that based on knowledge of him playing SC2 (more than casually)? I think this thread is extremely insulting to fans. People are smart enough to see good play, like we saw from forGG. His code A games and his build against Leenock in g1 of their match were incredibly impressive. Bomber was also similarly impressive and he's struggling now. Players earn their fans, and in their more impressive moments, Bomber and forGG won a ton of fans. If BW pros make the mass switch and put even the best current SC2 pros to shame (my short list: Mvp, MMA, DRG, MC, JJakji), we'll still remember these as good times, but we'll also readily embrace "new" faces. It happens in any sport. As far as I can tell, the point of this thread was more "savory condescension" than anything else. It's the equivalent of a Starcraft Screwtape Letter. I'll be happiest when its only half right, since there actually are good points to glean. The future need not be doom and gloom. SC2 is going to improve with or without the BW gosus switching, that would just speed up the process a little. The thread did a fine job of inviting discussion, no doubt. I assume he hasn't played much at all. Which means he's just 18 months behind. Some BW pro's, like Fruitdealer and Rainbow haven't really gotten any better either in those 18 months, and we see now they're struggling not near the top of the pack.
isnt fruitdealer a professional LoL player or something? he may have not gotten better because he isnt playing anymore.
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On January 29 2012 10:11 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 10:04 MrCon wrote:On January 29 2012 09:05 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 09:00 Dalavita wrote:On January 29 2012 08:57 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 08:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 08:14 jkang wrote:
Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what exactly does the elephant represent? I mean, what does this "elephant in the room" mean? Its a SC sense, it means that all SC2 players are in danger of being crushed by the Elephant (BW players). Because, BW players are omnipotent skill beasts and SC2 players are just scrubs who couldn't cut it in the real RTS world. This theory has been debunked, yet those with faith still believe in the Elephant. Before the Elephant was "300 BW players, who could switch at a moments notice and dominate SC2".... now, I think even the most ardent defender of the OP would say, maybe just Flash and the top BW players are the elephant. Haha wait how in the hell has if been debunked? It can't really be debunked per say, since one can always keep claiming that the BW switchers were "past their prime" or some such excuse, but the entire argument is pretty silly with hindsight. Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example. Since his code A run, forGG has 1 win in 11 games and is currently on a 6 loss streak. About MVP, before forGG in GSLif you read the thread "MVP is nothing compared to forGG". Now it's "forGG is a terrible example, MVP is the one that prove the elephant". MVP was playing starcraft 2 and was winning some GSL when this article was written. He was considered mediocre. The elephant is more like a chameleon now. He's always adapting perfectly to the circonstances. You're trying to contrast someone's post with my own. No where have I said "MVP is nothing compared to Forgg". I don't agree with everything in this article, I thought I had made that clear. And nor did I say MVP is the one proving or disproving the elephant. I just said he was better than Forgg when he switched, so expecting Forgg to do better than him is actually wrong going off of this articles criteria. Oh, and a quick look at TLPD says you're wrong, but you are right, he is slumping. Maybe he's training for Code A, maybe he's overrated, i dunno. Yes, the elephant is sort of like a chamealon, but some of it's critics are trying to default it because it's preforming like an african elephant instead of an asian elephant, when the elephant only ever claimed to be an elephant...if you want to use animals to describe the point.
I know it's perhaps not you that said that about MVP and forgg at the time. The thing is, there is always someone to say it.
And I guess a quick look at TLPD is not good enough http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/207_fOrGG/games
The last loss is not in TLPD yet, but I'll source it anyway http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306994
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On January 29 2012 10:16 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 10:11 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 10:04 MrCon wrote:On January 29 2012 09:05 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 09:00 Dalavita wrote:On January 29 2012 08:57 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 08:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 08:14 jkang wrote:
Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what exactly does the elephant represent? I mean, what does this "elephant in the room" mean? Its a SC sense, it means that all SC2 players are in danger of being crushed by the Elephant (BW players). Because, BW players are omnipotent skill beasts and SC2 players are just scrubs who couldn't cut it in the real RTS world. This theory has been debunked, yet those with faith still believe in the Elephant. Before the Elephant was "300 BW players, who could switch at a moments notice and dominate SC2".... now, I think even the most ardent defender of the OP would say, maybe just Flash and the top BW players are the elephant. Haha wait how in the hell has if been debunked? It can't really be debunked per say, since one can always keep claiming that the BW switchers were "past their prime" or some such excuse, but the entire argument is pretty silly with hindsight. Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example. Since his code A run, forGG has 1 win in 11 games and is currently on a 6 loss streak. About MVP, before forGG in GSLif you read the thread "MVP is nothing compared to forGG". Now it's "forGG is a terrible example, MVP is the one that prove the elephant". MVP was playing starcraft 2 and was winning some GSL when this article was written. He was considered mediocre. The elephant is more like a chameleon now. He's always adapting perfectly to the circonstances. You're trying to contrast someone's post with my own. No where have I said "MVP is nothing compared to Forgg". I don't agree with everything in this article, I thought I had made that clear. And nor did I say MVP is the one proving or disproving the elephant. I just said he was better than Forgg when he switched, so expecting Forgg to do better than him is actually wrong going off of this articles criteria. Oh, and a quick look at TLPD says you're wrong, but you are right, he is slumping. Maybe he's training for Code A, maybe he's overrated, i dunno. Yes, the elephant is sort of like a chamealon, but some of it's critics are trying to default it because it's preforming like an african elephant instead of an asian elephant, when the elephant only ever claimed to be an elephant...if you want to use animals to describe the point. I know it's perhaps not you that said that about MVP and forgg at the time. The thing is, there is always someone to say it. And I guess a quick look at TLPD is not good enough http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/207_fOrGG/gamesThe last loss is not in TLPD yet, but I'll source it anyway http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306994
There are also two additional recent losses against Polt, but for whatever reason it's in the international tlpd.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=207&part=games&league=standard
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On January 29 2012 10:16 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 10:11 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 10:04 MrCon wrote:On January 29 2012 09:05 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 09:00 Dalavita wrote:On January 29 2012 08:57 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 08:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 08:14 jkang wrote:
Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what exactly does the elephant represent? I mean, what does this "elephant in the room" mean? Its a SC sense, it means that all SC2 players are in danger of being crushed by the Elephant (BW players). Because, BW players are omnipotent skill beasts and SC2 players are just scrubs who couldn't cut it in the real RTS world. This theory has been debunked, yet those with faith still believe in the Elephant. Before the Elephant was "300 BW players, who could switch at a moments notice and dominate SC2".... now, I think even the most ardent defender of the OP would say, maybe just Flash and the top BW players are the elephant. Haha wait how in the hell has if been debunked? It can't really be debunked per say, since one can always keep claiming that the BW switchers were "past their prime" or some such excuse, but the entire argument is pretty silly with hindsight. Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example. Since his code A run, forGG has 1 win in 11 games and is currently on a 6 loss streak. About MVP, before forGG in GSLif you read the thread "MVP is nothing compared to forGG". Now it's "forGG is a terrible example, MVP is the one that prove the elephant". MVP was playing starcraft 2 and was winning some GSL when this article was written. He was considered mediocre. The elephant is more like a chameleon now. He's always adapting perfectly to the circonstances. You're trying to contrast someone's post with my own. No where have I said "MVP is nothing compared to Forgg". I don't agree with everything in this article, I thought I had made that clear. And nor did I say MVP is the one proving or disproving the elephant. I just said he was better than Forgg when he switched, so expecting Forgg to do better than him is actually wrong going off of this articles criteria. Oh, and a quick look at TLPD says you're wrong, but you are right, he is slumping. Maybe he's training for Code A, maybe he's overrated, i dunno. Yes, the elephant is sort of like a chamealon, but some of it's critics are trying to default it because it's preforming like an african elephant instead of an asian elephant, when the elephant only ever claimed to be an elephant...if you want to use animals to describe the point. I know it's perhaps not you that said that about MVP and forgg at the time. The thing is, there is always someone to say it. And I guess a quick look at TLPD is not good enough http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/207_fOrGG/games
And there are also people claiming that Flash is a scrub who wouldn't make GM league if he switched, etc. Personally, I try to ignore both of them, because they have no evidence or reasoning behind their posts.
And hmm. That's weird. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/207_fOrGG disagrees. Your's looks more correct so I'll give you that
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I think this page shows only the game that count toward ELO, that's why all his games are not here.
I agree with you tho, MVP is a better representative for the elephant.
But with soon 2 years of training, unless you're Flash, it'll be hard for to come and suddenly dominate imo.
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On January 29 2012 06:06 dsousa wrote:Wait, did this last 10 game minutes without Jaedong noticing? Was his BW omnipresence turned off? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AlM1E.jpg) Did he think he had another base on the minimap, where that giant red blob is? Mouse 1 - Elephant 0. BW players are human beings and will perform as such when they start playing SC2, flaws and all. :D
Yeah, Jaedong won the game with only half his army.
Lets see you beat a pro Protoss player with half a Zerg army.
He is beyond human.
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On January 29 2012 10:11 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 10:04 MrCon wrote:On January 29 2012 09:05 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 09:00 Dalavita wrote:On January 29 2012 08:57 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 08:47 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 08:14 jkang wrote:
Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what exactly does the elephant represent? I mean, what does this "elephant in the room" mean? Its a SC sense, it means that all SC2 players are in danger of being crushed by the Elephant (BW players). Because, BW players are omnipotent skill beasts and SC2 players are just scrubs who couldn't cut it in the real RTS world. This theory has been debunked, yet those with faith still believe in the Elephant. Before the Elephant was "300 BW players, who could switch at a moments notice and dominate SC2".... now, I think even the most ardent defender of the OP would say, maybe just Flash and the top BW players are the elephant. Haha wait how in the hell has if been debunked? It can't really be debunked per say, since one can always keep claiming that the BW switchers were "past their prime" or some such excuse, but the entire argument is pretty silly with hindsight. Well I assume he's talking about Forgg. And Forgg got to Code S on his first attempt, and then just barely lost to arguably the best zerg and the best protoss player in the world. But apparentely Forgg failed by that definition, even though the OP states that said player like Forgg "had the potential", not that he would automatically do it. Doesn't even matter regardless, when MVP switched he was better than Forgg, and was improving on top of that, so like I said before, Forgg is a terrible example. Since his code A run, forGG has 1 win in 11 games and is currently on a 6 loss streak. About MVP, before forGG in GSLif you read the thread "MVP is nothing compared to forGG". Now it's "forGG is a terrible example, MVP is the one that prove the elephant". MVP was playing starcraft 2 and was winning some GSL when this article was written. He was considered mediocre. The elephant is more like a chameleon now. He's always adapting perfectly to the circonstances. You're trying to contrast someone's post with my own. No where have I said "MVP is nothing compared to Forgg". I don't agree with everything in this article, I thought I had made that clear. And nor did I say MVP is the one proving or disproving the elephant. I just said he was better than Forgg when he switched, so expecting Forgg to do better than him is actually wrong going off of this articles criteria. Oh, and a quick look at TLPD says you're wrong, but you are right, he is slumping. Maybe he's training for Code A, maybe he's overrated, i dunno. Yes, the elephant is sort of like a chamealon, but some of it's critics are trying to default it because it's preforming like an african elephant instead of an asian elephant, when the elephant only ever claimed to be an elephant...if you want to use animals to describe the point.
An "Elephant in the Room" is an obvious issue that everyone knows, but no one wants to address.
The elephant never existed, because the only thing that it was was a vocal minority trying to act as though SC2 players were on an entire tier below BW pros.
At this point, the best you can say is that BW pros, when/if they make the switch, will easily fit into the Code S pack after they've practiced for several months - and in no way is that an "issue", nor is it being "ignored".
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I am dying to see the drama when broodwar pros finally switch. I think it may happen with HOTS since it will, basically, give us an even playing field.
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On January 29 2012 14:24 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:06 dsousa wrote:Wait, did this last 10 game minutes without Jaedong noticing? Was his BW omnipresence turned off? Did he think he had another base on the minimap, where that giant red blob is? Mouse 1 - Elephant 0. BW players are human beings and will perform as such when they start playing SC2, flaws and all. :D Yeah, Jaedong won the game with only half his army. Lets see you beat a pro Protoss player with half a Zerg army. He is beyond human.
I just want to know what was going in his head when he saw all those units. I wonder if it was "oh you gotta be kidding me" or "sweet I just won this game"
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For one I think the 300 bw players switching and dominating is a bit of an over-exaggeration, and I don't think that point should ever be taken seriously.
I would define the elephant as the high-A and S class players which would never lose to a lower A or B teamer, MVP is currently the best BW player to switch and he is the best at SC2 as well, we can't expect ForGG to do much better. ForGG's potential lies in the fact that he had a huge domination MSL run and was then known as the timing attack Terran, its possible that we might see this magic happen in SC2 also, and that's what most BW players are hoping for. Until he gets his fundamentals up to scratch, he won't be creating many builds.
Also you have to consider the time of the writing of this article, SC2 has changed a lot since then. The context of the article was for the current time, therefore its obvious that the gap will narrow as we go a long. Almost nobody denies that if the TBLS took SC2 seriously, it would be a whole other game. It is now highly likely that if a high level A teamer switched, he would make a big difference. But its arguable now for the lesser A and B teamers and that includes MVP and ForGG.
You have to keep in mind that most progamers will practise the same amount, in a defeatest sense, what separates top players from the rest is really genetics and their ability to just improve at an astronomical rate. MVP nor ForGG both lesser A-teamers, never really had this kind of ability. That's why so many people believed that if a top player move across it would be total domination, just by looking at their play, you really can't believe they are human.
That said MMA is recent B teamer to switch and he made a huge impact on the team when he appeared. ForGG's efforts are no less than very impressive for a first run, defeating Polt and putting up a great fight against Leenock and MC, it wasn't like the normal pubstomping you see from new generation players.
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