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On January 29 2012 06:12 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:11 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 06:09 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 06:06 dsousa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Wait, did this last 10 game minutes without Jaedong noticing? Was his BW omnipresence turned off? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AlM1E.jpg) Did he think he had another base on the minimap, where that giant red blob is? Mouse 1 - Elephant 0. BW players are human beings and will perform as such when they start playing SC2, flaws and all. :D You're right, Jaedong is horrible No he's great, but he's not a flawless god that is going to undo 2 years of SC2 pro-gaming the moment he logs into battle.net. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but in what way the picture of his stuck units proves your point?
It doesn't prove it, its just another data point. To counter the endless Flash is a god, Jaedong is a superhuman posts the fill this thread.
Just funny and timely.... I admit not really a valid point if you DON'T think BW players are somehow superhuman.
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On January 29 2012 06:06 dsousa wrote:Wait, did this last 10 game minutes without Jaedong noticing? Was his BW omnipresence turned off? Did he think he had another base on the minimap, where that giant red blob is? Mouse 1 - Elephant 0. BW players are human beings and will perform as such when they start playing SC2, flaws and all. :D
For whatever its worth he still won that game.
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On January 29 2012 06:18 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:12 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 06:11 dsousa wrote:On January 29 2012 06:09 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 06:06 dsousa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Wait, did this last 10 game minutes without Jaedong noticing? Was his BW omnipresence turned off? Did he think he had another base on the minimap, where that giant red blob is? Mouse 1 - Elephant 0. BW players are human beings and will perform as such when they start playing SC2, flaws and all. :D You're right, Jaedong is horrible No he's great, but he's not a flawless god that is going to undo 2 years of SC2 pro-gaming the moment he logs into battle.net. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but in what way the picture of his stuck units proves your point? It doesn't prove it, its just another data point. To counter the endless Flash is a god, Jaedong is a superhuman posts the fill this thread. Just funny and timely.... I admit not really a valid point if you DON'T think BW players are somehow superhuman.
Jaedong is not a superhuman. Flash is though
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On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:46 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:26 dekarp wrote:On January 28 2012 17:48 dsousa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Zenex_Treme just beat BW legend Nada and oGsForGG back-to-back. Did you know that SuperNova was a BW pro? He cleaned up ZeNEX and is in Code S RO16, please add that to the spoiler. I love it when people take individual, isolated results and apply it to this thread. Like when everyone wanted to take forgg's 6-0 w/l in Code A and say he was the GOAT and was going to destroy everyone in Code S blah blahblah. With that being said, in general, CURRENT BW A-teamers would probably mop the floor with non-GSL finalist caliber players. lol no they won't they'll get owned just like forgg has beenn so far, get real. i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot
Is this argument about skilled individuals switching to SC or BW pros switching to SC2?
I know it's the latter, but I think it should actually be the first. ;~;
We shouldn't divide the scene like this.
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On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:46 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:26 dekarp wrote:On January 28 2012 17:48 dsousa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Zenex_Treme just beat BW legend Nada and oGsForGG back-to-back. Did you know that SuperNova was a BW pro? He cleaned up ZeNEX and is in Code S RO16, please add that to the spoiler. I love it when people take individual, isolated results and apply it to this thread. Like when everyone wanted to take forgg's 6-0 w/l in Code A and say he was the GOAT and was going to destroy everyone in Code S blah blahblah. With that being said, in general, CURRENT BW A-teamers would probably mop the floor with non-GSL finalist caliber players. lol no they won't they'll get owned just like forgg has beenn so far, get real. i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot
It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!"
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On January 29 2012 06:25 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:46 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:26 dekarp wrote:
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Did you know that SuperNova was a BW pro? He cleaned up ZeNEX and is in Code S RO16, please add that to the spoiler. I love it when people take individual, isolated results and apply it to this thread.
Like when everyone wanted to take forgg's 6-0 w/l in Code A and say he was the GOAT and was going to destroy everyone in Code S blah blahblah.
With that being said, in general, CURRENT BW A-teamers would probably mop the floor with non-GSL finalist caliber players. lol no they won't they'll get owned just like forgg has beenn so far, get real. i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!"
Because your fanboyism is not showing at all
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On January 29 2012 06:25 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:46 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:26 dekarp wrote:
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Did you know that SuperNova was a BW pro? He cleaned up ZeNEX and is in Code S RO16, please add that to the spoiler. I love it when people take individual, isolated results and apply it to this thread.
Like when everyone wanted to take forgg's 6-0 w/l in Code A and say he was the GOAT and was going to destroy everyone in Code S blah blahblah.
With that being said, in general, CURRENT BW A-teamers would probably mop the floor with non-GSL finalist caliber players. lol no they won't they'll get owned just like forgg has beenn so far, get real. i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!"
Any evidence that these players have confirmed IdrA's apparent mechanical godliness?
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On January 29 2012 06:31 BritWrangler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:25 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:46 hunts wrote:
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lol no they won't they'll get owned just like forgg has beenn so far, get real. i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!" Any evidence that these players have confirmed IdrA's apparent mechanical godliness?
Well for one, watch idra vs nestea at the last MLG, I think it was either the MLG or their world championship or whatever where he is outmacroing nestea in all 3 games, and the casters themselves say that idras mechanics are better than nesteas (nestea being the best overall zerg in the world)
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On January 29 2012 06:33 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:31 BritWrangler wrote:On January 29 2012 06:25 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:
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i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!" Any evidence that these players have confirmed IdrA's apparent mechanical godliness? Well for one, watch idra vs nestea at the last MLG, I think it was either the MLG or their world championship or whatever where he is outmacroing nestea in all 3 games, and the casters themselves say that idras mechanics are better than nesteas (nestea being the best overall zerg in the world)
Since when did casters become all-knowing centennial beings? I would venture to say a good amount of hardcore SC2 viewers/players know more than most casters. Artosis being the exception.
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On January 29 2012 06:19 BlueBoxSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:46 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:26 dekarp wrote:
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Did you know that SuperNova was a BW pro? He cleaned up ZeNEX and is in Code S RO16, please add that to the spoiler. I love it when people take individual, isolated results and apply it to this thread.
Like when everyone wanted to take forgg's 6-0 w/l in Code A and say he was the GOAT and was going to destroy everyone in Code S blah blahblah.
With that being said, in general, CURRENT BW A-teamers would probably mop the floor with non-GSL finalist caliber players. lol no they won't they'll get owned just like forgg has beenn so far, get real. i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot Is this argument about skilled individuals switching to SC or BW pros switching to SC2? I know it's the latter, but I think it should actually be the first. ;~; We shouldn't divide the scene like this.
We aren't dividing anything . It's a fact that anyone who was a BW pro or semi pro has a considerable RTS understanding and mechanics advantage over your average talented player from an other game . In terms of skill that will make you good at SC2 BW pro > WC3 > other competitive gamer .
On January 29 2012 06:33 hunts wrote:
Well for one, watch idra vs nestea at the last MLG, I think it was either the MLG or their world championship or whatever where he is outmacroing nestea in all 3 games, and the casters themselves say that idras mechanics are better than nesteas (nestea being the best overall zerg in the world)
Oh please outmacroing my ass . I don't remember what happened in those games , but i'm still guessing that Nestea wiped the floor with Idra even thought he was "outmacroed" by him . Idra may have top level macro but his unit control , multitasking and overall decision making lack compared to the top level korean zergs .
Best mechanical zerg is probably DRG . The fact that he took MMA to the last game in blizzard cup and almost beat him is a testament of that .
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On January 29 2012 06:44 dekarp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:33 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:31 BritWrangler wrote:On January 29 2012 06:25 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:
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Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!" Any evidence that these players have confirmed IdrA's apparent mechanical godliness? Well for one, watch idra vs nestea at the last MLG, I think it was either the MLG or their world championship or whatever where he is outmacroing nestea in all 3 games, and the casters themselves say that idras mechanics are better than nesteas (nestea being the best overall zerg in the world) Since when did casters become all-knowing centennial beings? I would venture to say a good amount of hardcore SC2 viewers/players know more than most casters. Artosis being the exception.
Howbout since they used to be pros in BW and are still high master/GM level while being full time casters? What are your credentials for judginng skill? And it was artosis/tasteless doing the casting.
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On January 29 2012 06:45 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:44 dekarp wrote:On January 29 2012 06:33 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:31 BritWrangler wrote:On January 29 2012 06:25 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:
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it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay:
last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games.
i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!" Any evidence that these players have confirmed IdrA's apparent mechanical godliness? Well for one, watch idra vs nestea at the last MLG, I think it was either the MLG or their world championship or whatever where he is outmacroing nestea in all 3 games, and the casters themselves say that idras mechanics are better than nesteas (nestea being the best overall zerg in the world) Since when did casters become all-knowing centennial beings? I would venture to say a good amount of hardcore SC2 viewers/players know more than most casters. Artosis being the exception. Howbout since they used to be pros in BW and are still high master/GM level while being full time casters? What are your credentials for judginng skill? And it was artosis/tasteless doing the casting.
So if everything Artosis says is correct, Clide is the best player in the world
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On January 29 2012 06:46 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:45 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:44 dekarp wrote:On January 29 2012 06:33 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:31 BritWrangler wrote:On January 29 2012 06:25 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:
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What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!" Any evidence that these players have confirmed IdrA's apparent mechanical godliness? Well for one, watch idra vs nestea at the last MLG, I think it was either the MLG or their world championship or whatever where he is outmacroing nestea in all 3 games, and the casters themselves say that idras mechanics are better than nesteas (nestea being the best overall zerg in the world) Since when did casters become all-knowing centennial beings? I would venture to say a good amount of hardcore SC2 viewers/players know more than most casters. Artosis being the exception. Howbout since they used to be pros in BW and are still high master/GM level while being full time casters? What are your credentials for judginng skill? And it was artosis/tasteless doing the casting. So if everything Artosis says is correct, Clide is the best player in the world
He was one of the best at the time, obviously he stopped being at that level, and they kept hyping him as a joke. But really, who are you to judge skill more than artosis?
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On January 29 2012 06:25 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:46 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:26 dekarp wrote:
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Did you know that SuperNova was a BW pro? He cleaned up ZeNEX and is in Code S RO16, please add that to the spoiler. I love it when people take individual, isolated results and apply it to this thread.
Like when everyone wanted to take forgg's 6-0 w/l in Code A and say he was the GOAT and was going to destroy everyone in Code S blah blahblah.
With that being said, in general, CURRENT BW A-teamers would probably mop the floor with non-GSL finalist caliber players. lol no they won't they'll get owned just like forgg has beenn so far, get real. i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!"
Haha my blantant blind bias, and you're the one that has to write a dozen sentences each time you post just so you can yell at me.
You know what, I think I've figured it out. You're just a HUGE idra fanboy, and you can't stand the notion that some day several people might migrate to the game and prove to be such better players than him that he can't compete. That actually makes a lot of sense, judging from your posts.
And for all your "the mods are so BW biased", you should be thanking then for letting you run your mouth this long.
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Just because Idra has better mechanics than nestea does not mean he has the best mechanics of any zerg.
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On January 29 2012 06:48 hunts wrote:
He was one of the best at the time, obviously he stopped being at that level, and they kept hyping him as a joke. But really, who are you to judge skill more than artosis?
Well according to last state of the game, he doesn't have much belief in MMA at all, so I am guessing, anyone that disagrees with that, would according to me, be more likely to be proven right next week.
Artosis doesn't value mindgames, multitasking skill and execution as highly as he values creativity. To me, that is where he goes wrong the most ... by overvaluing creativity, and undervaluing execution when the game goes above 100 food.
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On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:46 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:26 dekarp wrote:On January 28 2012 17:48 dsousa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Zenex_Treme just beat BW legend Nada and oGsForGG back-to-back. Did you know that SuperNova was a BW pro? He cleaned up ZeNEX and is in Code S RO16, please add that to the spoiler. I love it when people take individual, isolated results and apply it to this thread. Like when everyone wanted to take forgg's 6-0 w/l in Code A and say he was the GOAT and was going to destroy everyone in Code S blah blahblah. With that being said, in general, CURRENT BW A-teamers would probably mop the floor with non-GSL finalist caliber players. lol no they won't they'll get owned just like forgg has beenn so far, get real. i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about...
Macro mechanics.... yes.
But Nestea and DRG have a leg up in other aspects of the game making them slightly superior.
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On January 29 2012 06:48 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:46 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 06:45 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:44 dekarp wrote:On January 29 2012 06:33 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:31 BritWrangler wrote:On January 29 2012 06:25 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 06:08 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 06:02 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:
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IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about...
Clearly you don't play SC2. Everyone knows this, even the people casting idra vs nestea have said Idra has much better mechanics than nestea, it's just his decision making. So no sorry, BW pros won't do well just because of mechanics, as we can see with forgg. hahahahaha wow man. just keep it up. idra best mechanics? maybe when FD was the best player in the world. And Forgg was known for timing attacks, not super awesome multi-tasking etc. MVP probably had a better overall raw skill when he switched, so that point is moot It's cute how you think your right, but your blatant blind bias and fanboyism is showing very strongly. Idra does have the best mechannics of any zerg, and it's been confirmed by players much better than you could ever dream of even hoping to be. Now why isn't he the best player? Maybe because this game has factors other than just mechanics, so you BW kiddies saying "oh BW pros will dominate all SC2 pros, they got the mechanics bro" Are just lying to yourselves. It's ok though, your game is dying, and you're angry. I understand that, maybe I too will be like that when SC3 comes out if I become one of those people that refuses to move on and wants to live in the past. But do your best to think logically, instead of with your emotions of "crap my games dying I better make fun of the game that's usurping it in hopes that people will feel bad for playing it!" Any evidence that these players have confirmed IdrA's apparent mechanical godliness? Well for one, watch idra vs nestea at the last MLG, I think it was either the MLG or their world championship or whatever where he is outmacroing nestea in all 3 games, and the casters themselves say that idras mechanics are better than nesteas (nestea being the best overall zerg in the world) Since when did casters become all-knowing centennial beings? I would venture to say a good amount of hardcore SC2 viewers/players know more than most casters. Artosis being the exception. Howbout since they used to be pros in BW and are still high master/GM level while being full time casters? What are your credentials for judginng skill? And it was artosis/tasteless doing the casting. So if everything Artosis says is correct, Clide is the best player in the world He was one of the best at the time, obviously he stopped being at that level, and they kept hyping him as a joke. But really, who are you to judge skill more than artosis?
Idra's mechanics > Nestea's mechanics. But DRG's mechanics roflstomp both of theirs. Heck even Ret's mechanics might be better than Nesteas.
If you watch Nestea's games, he doesn't have stellar unit control or multi-tasking, the only reason people think his mechanics are good is because he always hits his injects because he sacrifices unit control and micro for faster reinforcements.
Plenty of us can judge skill. Just because Artosis has watched billions of games doesn't mean his verdict is the end all be all. Also, citing Artosis as an example is pretty stupid, he is the one who predicted that Keen would win a GSL in 2011, predicted Brown to be the next MC, predicted Leenock to go 4-0 in his Code S group, etc.
Artosis is an innovation-fanboy. Any player, like HerO, Kiwikaki, that introduces something new to SC2 is always overhyped by him.
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On January 29 2012 06:55 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 05:40 Linwelin wrote:On January 29 2012 05:37 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 05:31 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:58 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:53 Shiori wrote:On January 29 2012 03:46 hunts wrote:On January 29 2012 03:26 dekarp wrote:On January 28 2012 17:48 dsousa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Zenex_Treme just beat BW legend Nada and oGsForGG back-to-back. Did you know that SuperNova was a BW pro? He cleaned up ZeNEX and is in Code S RO16, please add that to the spoiler. I love it when people take individual, isolated results and apply it to this thread. Like when everyone wanted to take forgg's 6-0 w/l in Code A and say he was the GOAT and was going to destroy everyone in Code S blah blahblah. With that being said, in general, CURRENT BW A-teamers would probably mop the floor with non-GSL finalist caliber players. lol no they won't they'll get owned just like forgg has beenn so far, get real. i'd hardly say forgg is getting owned. Last time he won was in code A, yup he's REALLY tearing up the SC2 scene lol. The rest won't do much better. it's pretty clear that you've never played BW from the rest of your posts, but okay: last time he won was in code A? yeah, where he went undefeated on his first try while making people like Polt look like amateurs. Then he loses against Leenock and MC in Code S, one of whom is a previous finalist and the other of whom has won multiple GSLs. And even with all that, it's not like he got crushed; he put up competitive games. i really think you underestimate how good people like flash/bisu/jaedong are. i'm not even a bw fanboy and i can admit that once they get used to the game, their sheer ability to multitask and play at a consistently high APM is going to make them leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now. What does me playing BW have to do with it? If you want to bring skill into it, you've been diamond forever and will forever remain that way. And I've played SC1 since it first came out way before BW. Granted I never played 1v1, I did UMS and team games since I was still a kid, but that's beside the point. lol "leagues ahead of more or less anybody around right now" If mechanics were the deciding factor Idra would've won a GSL by now since he has by far the best mechannics out of any zerg player in the world right now. IdrA doesn't have the best mechanics of any Zerg player, what are you talking about... Macro mechanics.... yes. But Nestea and DRG have a leg up in other aspects of the game making them slightly superior.
yeah, idra is hitting "d" faster than any other zerg.
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