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ghrur
United States3787 Posts
The TL community has become primarily SC2 based. The TL community has grown VASTLY. The TL community has become much less experienced with many people having low-post counts. The TL community has become a lot shittier. The TL community has dropped to the level of flame wars. Take a good look at yourself. Good post OP. I think it really did show the elephant in the room. Just happened to be two. | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:17 Medrea wrote: Many SC2 pros already practice 12 to 16 hours a day with 8 hours rest. There are only 24 hours in a day so, how can they practice more? I think only a part is the time they invest in the practice. The quote by Min tells us the other part. Quality of practice is essential. Are you working towards certain goals? (e.g., 40 games on the same map) or do you just mindlessly play games for fun? | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:03 Murderotica wrote: No, I think it was the stupidity that arose from all the SC2 fans that has been doing that for over a year, and the BW fans trying to get simple concepts into their thick skulls, then the SC2 fans being pissed that they are being (rightfully) talked down to. This is just the best thread to vent that, and if you look through the thread, it's a pretty even division between people who take shits on this thread/argue with the OP while having no understanding of BW and people who agree with it. I think one of SC2's biggest advantages is the quality of it's fanbase compared to Brood War's. I've actually been trying to get back into Brood War, and every time I read a post like this I'm like "nope. Nothing for me here". | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:17 Medrea wrote: Many SC2 pros already practice 12 to 16 hours a day with 8 hours rest. There are only 24 hours in a day so, how can they practice more? It's about practicing efficiently, not so much about the sheer # of hours. The mechanics demanded by SC2 are less than SC:BW, so quite frankly thousands of hours aren't needed to really get them down. However, true analysis and a deeper understanding of matchups/maps are done by really trying/targeting different things while practicing. I think, at the moment, too much of sc2 is mass gaming as practice or maybe trying out very select build orders. Honestly, I think (and I posted about it earlier) the inclusion of a true SC2 ProLeague would be huuuuge for its development. When players have a better chance to be chosen and have more games to prepare for, they'll spend their time more wisely. At the moment, with so few tournaments available to the majority of players, most of their time is spent down twiddling their thumbs. edit: To extrapolate on my Proleague issue... BW actually has it down correctly, in my opinion. The foreigner scene actually has almost the opposite problem compared to the Korean scene. The sc2 scene for foreigners is almost an over-saturation of tournaments, so they spend so much time playing tournament games compared to legitimate practice it hampers them. In Korea, the opposite, there are so few games to prepare for that they don't spend their practice hours wisely. BW's balance, in comparison, is far superior when look at MSL/OSL/PL. | ||
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Omoplata
United States42 Posts
Nick Diaz is the Strikeforce middleweight champion (mixed martial arts). He's just an average, B-level boxer. In fact, there aren't any MMA champions that have had success in high-level boxing! What a farce the competition must be in mixed martial arts! There are clearly hundreds of boxers that could switch to MMA and dominate shortly thereafter. What an utterly stupid line of thinking. Success in one sport, or in one game, does not automatically transfer over to another similar (but still quite different) sport or game. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:23 Ribbon wrote: I think one of SC2's biggest advantages is the quality of it's fanbase compared to Brood War's. . Now, that is just flat out wrong... | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
Explain. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:24 I_Love_Bacon wrote: It's about practicing efficiently, not so much about the sheer # of hours. The mechanics demanded by SC2 are less than SC:BW, so quite frankly thousands of hours aren't needed to really get them down. However, true analysis and a deeper understanding of matchups/maps are done by really trying/targeting different things while practicing. I think, at the moment, too much of sc2 is mass gaming as practice or maybe trying out very select build orders. Honestly, I think (and I posted about it earlier) the inclusion of a true SC2 ProLeague would be huuuuge for its development. When players have a better chance to be chosen and have more games to prepare for, they'll spend their time more wisely. At the moment, with so few tournaments available to the majority of players, most of their time is spent down twiddling their thumbs. Click on the upcoming events tab to the right. | ||
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Bobgrimly
New Zealand250 Posts
My pros are better than your pros... hence my game is better than your game. Lets draw a line in the sand and take sides and fight about it. Lets ignore the age of SC2... or the fact that its a different game... or the fact that bw pros make too much to be bothered changing games and proving the op right. I want BW pros in sc2. I want bw to die and sc2 to be balanced perfectly by blizzard so the whole world can join in unison to play the ultimate esport and have a true global champion! I want a global cup... that actually does decide the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD. But until sc2 is more balanced and strats ironed out and learnt (look at the changes to the meta game/balance patches in the last year... its far from being finished... not to mention 2 expacs to come) and gains more popularity in korea, this dream will never happen. So for quite a few more years we will have these pointless dick waving posts and a divided community until either sc2 dies or bw gets eclipsed by sc2. Have to wait till after legacy of the void to see which happens. Patience children.... blizzard has much further to go before any real comparisons can be made. Why can't we all just enjoy the ride? | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
I'm talking about Koreans, not foreigners. Foreigners have a different problems when it comes to practice. | ||
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Miefer
Taiwan229 Posts
I mean with this article u are not gonna change the minds of the sc2 fans. u are only flaming them. there is no article here on the front page written by any sc2 fan that says that bw competition is a farce because all the bw players are so bad , that only flash or jaedong are winning. there is no competition and so on... | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Apparently the SC2 community is not developed enough to take such awesome (and opinionated!) posts. I honestly do not see why people take it so personal. Be happy that someone has a different opinion than you and learn from it. It does not harm you one bit. Or at least, it should not. | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:27 Bobgrimly wrote: But until sc2 is more balanced and strats ironed out and learnt (look at the changes to the meta game/balance patches in the last year... its far from being finished... not to mention 2 expacs to come) Can you exactly explain what changes happened to the metagame in the past year? Bonus points for not making a list of popular strategies. | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
I'm not talking about everyone, obviously, and there have been some stupid comments from the SC2 camp that warrant angry responses, but a lot of this thread is just... </3 | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I'm talking about Koreans, not foreigners. Foreigners have a different problems when it comes to practice. So GSL is not a proleague? | ||
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brownthing
United States189 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:04 K3Nyy wrote: To put it in perspective, Idra, probably the most strongest foreigner in SC1 when SC2 came out, is pretty much dominating right now. MVP, the only A class player to transfer over is dominating pretty hard as well. If there was no solid relationship between SC1 and SC2, they wouldn't be winning nearly as much. . However, people like IdrA still lose (rarely) to people like Combat-EX, whereas in BW someone like combat-EX would never be able to touch IdrA in 100 games. | ||
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Miefer
Taiwan229 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:30 Beyonder wrote: Replying to the 'offtopic' posts: SC2 fanbase is just a lot younger. BW has had the same players for so many years, it's only natural that the BW community was more mature and in general had more 'quality'. But quality is a dreadful word for that, I think maturity is a better word. But for SC2 to grow, the younger and more quantitative fanbase is needed oh so much. So in a way it is a double edged sword. Apparently the SC2 community is not developed enough to take such awesome (and opinionated!) posts. I honestly do not see why people take it so personal. Be happy that someone has a different opinion than you and learn from it. It does not harm you one bit. Or at least, it should not. i think talking down to sc2 players isnt mature or showing quality at all... | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On May 13 2011 07:29 Miefer wrote: most of the people are pissed because the author says the sc2 competition is a farce. nobody is denieing that flash or jaedong would be good if they switch over. the main issue here is why somebody has to write this kind of article only to state somehing that most bw fans think anyway. I mean with this article u are not gonna change the minds of the sc2 fans. u are only flaming them. there is no article here on the front page written by any sc2 fan that says that bw competition is a farce because all the bw players are so bad , that only flash or jaedong are winning. there is no competition and so on... Why would this be flaming? It's simply a different opinion, and an interesting one that makes a (good) point. | ||
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