The Stephano Fan Club - Page 79

On October 29 2011 08:52 jeeeeohn wrote:
ride is correct. The Soviets had winter and numbers on their side, not much else.

But yeah, let's not derail this thread. ^.^ Napoleon fighting!

Oh God, the ignorance in this comment is incredible xd. Fact of the matter is that the winter hurt the Soviets pretty badly too. Half of their factory production was captured in the start of the war, so they were in a huge crisis just getting warm clothes and food, while the Germans had a large slave labor force to depend upon besides all of their industries intact.
The only reason why the Nazis and other Axis were so successful was the surprise invasion, Op. Barbarossa. In fact, the attacking force was larger than the Soviet military at the time. So your numbers argument is completely invalid for a year. On top of that, many of the Russian POWs taken in the blitzkrieg were just starved to death. And as we know, a year after that is when the Soviets turned the war around.
Why? They had some time to prepare. By 1943, the Soviets has superior technology in armor and artillery and a comparable air force, and on top of that, in larger numbers than the European Axis who dedicated their whole efforts against USSR, and that's why it was clear the Soviets were going to win the war once they recovered from the surprise invasion. rofl.

Meanwhile, the US enters the war against Germany when it's 100% obvious the Soviets had already won it. Meh.....
It's a good thing Russia bordered Germany and not the USA, or else the US would have been overrun in a month or two :/. Much weaker military and organization. Hell, they struggled with Japan for 4 years despite hugely outnumbering, whereas in a 10 day campaign the Russians killed over 80k Japanese soldiers and took 600,000 POWs. Just shows how militarily useless Germany's allies were and how powerful the Soviets needed to be to defeat them.

TL;DR: Reading a book is a good thing rather than regurgitating things your parents were told during the Cold War.


On October 29 2011 08:47 ride wrote:
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Dude, as a french guy that studied history during 5 years, and now is teaching it in a french Highschool in Tunisia for 2 years, i hope that you are not serious when you say all that shit.
If you are please take some books, read and study them, then realise how dumb you were :D
The soviet advantage was only in mass, 3 500 000 dead in soviet side during barbarossa operation and 700 000 german dead. During the first month of fights in Stallingrad the soviet had one rifle for two soldier, charging on the german lines like in Verdun battle. I'm not a fan of Nazism, but let's face reality, the biggest mistake the german made there was the same napoleon did: forgetting to bring winter equipment.
We are here on a SC2 player fan page and it's sad to see this kind of people saying smart things ^^

GoGo Stephano FTW!

For how much history you claim to know, you're incorrect.
Until the end of Op. Bar. at the end of 1941, Soviet dead was 800k. Considering they were taken completely by surprise, and the Germans were pretty ruthless with just killing the "inferior" people (which included Slavs and socialists) without mercy, it's not so bad as say, the French who surrendered without a fight worth noting, and who were the self-proclaimed greatest military in the world until the Panzers were rolling through Paris. If the French or any country besides Russia for that matter sent its whole able-bodied male population into war against Germany, it would be phased out of existence, so it was probably a good idea that you guys surrendered.
The Germans had their industries well intact until the very end of the war and had a lot of slave labor. The Soviets lost half of their industrial capacity in 1941. The winters hurt the Soviets as bad, if not even a bit worse, than the Germans, and no, the Germans, the who engineered and planned everything ridiculously well, aren't so stupid as to not prepare for these simple things. Norway where they had a lot of bases is even worse in the winter and soldiers stationed there were very well prepared. The winter thing is just an excuse for Frenchmen and US Cold War warriors trying to take away from the Russians just beating down Napoleon and Hitler :S. It's like saying that Saladin beat the Crusaders because of the heat... yeah, okay.

The biggest mistake the Germans made was letting the Soviets get back on their feet. The Germans knew they couldn't fight a war-ready USSR, so that's why they attacked at the perfect timing. Even then, they still failed. Just like the French. *shrugs*

When you lose half your industrial capacity to an invading force that's larger than your military, it's hard to get enough production for shit, nevermind for millions of brand new conscripts. How you don't know this simple thing shows you really do not study history lol. However, by the end of 1942, the Soviet govt. reorganized and rebuilt things, and took care of these issues, and once they were taken care of, it was obvious they had defeated the Nazis. In any case, if you just hate the Russians for beating down the last time France was significant (albeit under a terrible mass murderer and dictator), I can understand that. But don't try to undermine their effort in WW2. While your country jumped to surrender, it was left to the Russians to take care of business in Europe. :S Had Moscow fallen, the war wouldn't have ended well, I'll say that.
Why do people say such silly things? ^_^



Anyways *cracks neck, puts on sunglasses, and lights a cigarette*, Stephano should at least place top 8 in his upcoming events. How he will do in Korea is questionable. The adjustment factor for one is pretty huge. IMO, he could be a competent Code A player if he adjusts well and continues to play well, but getting to Code S will be a bit tricky.