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On February 02 2013 18:09 Keidy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 08:19 syroz wrote:On February 02 2013 03:21 LgNKami wrote:
I think the problem is that Stephano did not prepare specific builds like most of the GSL players do, he just went in as if it was a MLG/IPL event with that mass game mentality. Koreans have been studying his style for a long time now, it's no surprise that he was beaten this way, especially by 2 terrans. Yeah i heard that from Stephano himself. He was aware of that. He knew that GSL format wasnt good for him because of these specific builds against him. He prefer 3-4 days tournaments as IPL and MLG. GJ to bogus either way. He made his homework and did good timing pushes. I am glad that another terran made it throught. So did Stephano didnt bother to prepare, or is it simply not his way of doing it? Beacuse GSL is the biggest thing there is, and if you get the chanse, I dont see why you shouldnt prepare. Seems abit unproffesional to me if thats the case
he just doesnt know how to prepare for something like GSL because he has never experienced it, and there is nothing quite like it in sc2.
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And he had no one to really prepare with, neither Thorzain nor Puma have TvZ anywhere near GSL level.
He did say he prepared strategies and even tweeted after the first set that his mindgames fucked him over in the end.
He probably didn't analyze Innovation's or Hack's GSL VODs but then again Innovation played a style that would have been incredibly risky against Stephano's usual 1/1 roach builds he did recently, so I don't know if he completely second-level mindgamed him or just didn't know much about that. His winner interview sounded like he didn't expect him to build roaches at all.
From Stephano's recent matches, I saw that he uses a Zergling-heavy style.
which is like the opposite of what Stephano actually did in his recent matches, so I don't know what Innovation was on about.
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Maybe he was talking about the style Stephano uses on Stream, style that he uses to hide his strategy, the irony.
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On February 04 2013 02:06 Nelz wrote:
Maybe he was talking about the style Stephano uses on Stream, style that he uses to hide his strategy, the irony.
lololol that's the thing about getting too deep into mind games. You don't know what the opponent actually knows about you.
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Stop sugar coating his very bad play.
He lost to really stupid reasons in the second series against innovation like TERRIBLE or NON-EXISTENT SCOUTING.
You can't play like that in GSL, its not some backwater foreigner tournament like Stephano is used to believe.
He probably thought about some epic macro strats and because of his overall approach to the game,practice and everything related. He got to the point where he forgets to do some really simple and gamebreacking stuff like SCOUTING.
He simply doesn't enjoy this game anymore and you can't have any great results when you go with that mindset.
Also judging by the fact that he hates Hots as well. I don't see him in the esports scene for too long.
He is totally burned out of sc2 and espots in general but hes still doing all this because hes forced by EG to come to korea and still play. Hes the main figure of EG and still brings a lot of fans/viewers/cash.
My final opinion which I'd stated many months ago when all the slump talk started and most of you were too caught up in blind fanboysm to realize what was actually happening is becoming more obvious day by day now.
He is sick of SC2 and no matter what experience and skill he may have acquired untill now, we won't see him winning anything big ever again. Now its just a slow process of him and EG squizeing the last juices from his glories of the past.
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I think our hero here already has what it takes to play in long games with the koreans.
now lets see if stephano is willing to look more into active scouting and ZvZ in general.
I've always believed in you stephano. Call me fanboy or what but I don't care. You 2-0'd hack and I know you can do a hell lot better.
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On February 04 2013 08:13 Meggiroth wrote:
Stop sugar coating his very bad play.
He lost to really stupid reasons in the second series against innovation like TERRIBLE or NON-EXISTENT SCOUTING.
You can't play like that in GSL, its not some backwater foreigner tournament like Stephano is used to believe.
He probably thought about some epic macro strats and because of his overall approach to the game,practice and everything related. He got to the point where he forgets to do some really simple and gamebreacking stuff like SCOUTING.
He simply doesn't enjoy this game anymore and you can't have any great results when you go with that mindset.
Also judging by the fact that he hates Hots as well. I don't see him in the esports scene for too long.
He is totally burned out of sc2 and espots in general but hes still doing all this because hes forced by EG to come to korea and still play. Hes the main figure of EG and still brings a lot of fans/viewers/cash.
My final opinion which I'd stated many months ago when all the slump talk started and most of you were too caught up in blind fanboysm to realize what was actually happening is becoming more obvious day by day now.
He is sick of SC2 and no matter what experience and skill he may have acquired untill now, we won't see him winning anything big ever again. Now its just a slow process of him and EG squizeing the last juices from his glories of the past.
... you should really get out.
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A very manageable route for Stephano in the Code A bracket! GL!
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On February 04 2013 08:13 Meggiroth wrote:
Stop sugar coating his very bad play.
He lost to really stupid reasons in the second series against innovation like TERRIBLE or NON-EXISTENT SCOUTING.
You can't play like that in GSL, its not some backwater foreigner tournament like Stephano is used to believe.
He probably thought about some epic macro strats and because of his overall approach to the game,practice and everything related. He got to the point where he forgets to do some really simple and gamebreacking stuff like SCOUTING.
He simply doesn't enjoy this game anymore and you can't have any great results when you go with that mindset.
Also judging by the fact that he hates Hots as well. I don't see him in the esports scene for too long.
He is totally burned out of sc2 and espots in general but hes still doing all this because hes forced by EG to come to korea and still play. Hes the main figure of EG and still brings a lot of fans/viewers/cash.
My final opinion which I'd stated many months ago when all the slump talk started and most of you were too caught up in blind fanboysm to realize what was actually happening is becoming more obvious day by day now.
He is sick of SC2 and no matter what experience and skill he may have acquired untill now, we won't see him winning anything big ever again. Now its just a slow process of him and EG squizeing the last juices from his glories of the past.
He's playing in general at a very high level (minus the lack of scouting). Since he got promoted to GM, he has around a 60% win rate on the KR ladder, which places him around the top 5 for zergs (quite a few accounts on the KR ladder appear to have been created just this season which inflates your win percentage) and he's not even playing seriously in all of his games. At a minimum, given the amount of cheese, etc., on the KR ladder, it means he's playing at a very high level in general. He did very well in macro games in the GSL, so I think it's a vast overstatement to stay his play is "very bad".
He knows he's taking a chance by not drone scoutingi but I think his reasoning for not drone scouting (which he knows his opponent' know about his play and others long before Innovation have exploited, such as ForGG) is something like: I (Stephano) know that he knows that I don't typically drone scout, and he knows that I know that he knows I don't typically drone scout and that typically such "holes" in a player's play are exploited since this is the GSL and everyone studies his opponents in depth. His opponent's thought process: But because my opponent (Stephano) knows that I will study his play in depth and is himself aware that his lack of scouting is exploitable (since anyone above Gold level knows this), there's a high enough probability that he'll either drone scout early enough to scout the 11-11 at a time where he can adapt his play accordingly (by going pool first) or will blindly pool first to counter the build that it's not worth taking the risk (since if he counters my build there's a high probability I lose).
The above sounds convoluted when you write it out but it's not that implausible. It's the sort of thing that game theory can help you to think through. In any event, I'm not saying Stephano determined it would be "pareto optimal" not to drone scout, but it's likely not as bad of a decision as you might think because of the subtle mind games that are played. The problem is that Innovation's micro is so good that he can probably still kill you even if you pool first so he went for the double rax first. (He's probably the best in the world at timing pushes and early pressure builds, and in general is a complete boss.)
I can't really explain away however his failure to put a ling in front of innovation's base in the final game of the set. That was inexcusable. his overlord positioning in the late game in the first game on whirlwind was also pretty bad. But in general, Stephano was showing flashes of his brilliant play and his play was good. His very small mistakes are the sort of thing that with regular practice he'll be very unlikely to do.
Also you should take heart since normally after a big tournament (lately at least) he takes a couple weeks off from SC2 and Stephano is back practicing again, which is not consistent with his truly hating the game or being burnt out. I think it's consistent with his becoming more of a professional, which IMO is the best thing that can happen. Professionals don't need to love what they do to practice they just do it.
Also HoTS IMO will be much better than WOL from a spectator's standpoint once the top level players start playing it a lot. I think Stephano will come to like it even if he doesn't like it now (I hadn't realized he's still dissing it; early on he had said it was stupid b/c the units were OP but that was a long time ago). HoTS suits his playstyle even better than WOL (buffed Ultas and Hydras and more spell casters, units to micro and things to keep track of). HoTS has a higher skill ceiling. As long as Stephano practices he will have tremendous success.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2013 08:13 Meggiroth wrote:
Stop sugar coating his very bad play.
He lost to really stupid reasons in the second series against innovation like TERRIBLE or NON-EXISTENT SCOUTING.
You can't play like that in GSL, its not some backwater foreigner tournament like Stephano is used to believe.
He probably thought about some epic macro strats and because of his overall approach to the game,practice and everything related. He got to the point where he forgets to do some really simple and gamebreacking stuff like SCOUTING.
He simply doesn't enjoy this game anymore and you can't have any great results when you go with that mindset.
Also judging by the fact that he hates Hots as well. I don't see him in the esports scene for too long.
He is totally burned out of sc2 and espots in general but hes still doing all this because hes forced by EG to come to korea and still play. Hes the main figure of EG and still brings a lot of fans/viewers/cash.
My final opinion which I'd stated many months ago when all the slump talk started and most of you were too caught up in blind fanboysm to realize what was actually happening is becoming more obvious day by day now.
He is sick of SC2 and no matter what experience and skill he may have acquired untill now, we won't see him winning anything big ever again. Now its just a slow process of him and EG squizeing the last juices from his glories of the past.
Maybe you missunderstood the sole purpose of a FANclub.. Surely he's not doing as great as 2011 for example, his team like he said in an interview is a bit special.. Rest of your points are pure speculation. Have you seen the guy lately? In ProLeague? On the stream? If youd go to the Facebook albums and compare the Korean SPL album to any other I believe youll find a lot more pictures of him actually smiling. I can assure you he knows about the scouting, theres been numerous posts, tweets and pm's about it. If he will change anything is up to him but please keep this attitude
from the fanclub, youre not doing anyone any good by being here and saying such things.
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He lost his code S match...
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He has a really good bracket to come back in Code S but it does only matter if he decides to stay in Korea for the next season.
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Hehe, using Neural Parasite like a boss. Good job in Proleague today!
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On February 04 2013 08:13 Meggiroth wrote:
Stop sugar coating his very bad play.
He lost to really stupid reasons in the second series against innovation like TERRIBLE or NON-EXISTENT SCOUTING.
You can't play like that in GSL, its not some backwater foreigner tournament like Stephano is used to believe.
He probably thought about some epic macro strats and because of his overall approach to the game,practice and everything related. He got to the point where he forgets to do some really simple and gamebreacking stuff like SCOUTING.
He simply doesn't enjoy this game anymore and you can't have any great results when you go with that mindset.
Also judging by the fact that he hates Hots as well. I don't see him in the esports scene for too long.
He is totally burned out of sc2 and espots in general but hes still doing all this because hes forced by EG to come to korea and still play. Hes the main figure of EG and still brings a lot of fans/viewers/cash.
My final opinion which I'd stated many months ago when all the slump talk started and most of you were too caught up in blind fanboysm to realize what was actually happening is becoming more obvious day by day now.
He is sick of SC2 and no matter what experience and skill he may have acquired untill now, we won't see him winning anything big ever again. Now its just a slow process of him and EG squizeing the last juices from his glories of the past.
This guy seems romanian.
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User was warned for this post
why no ban on the quote ?
if someone post that on naniwa FC you got banned a month...
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On February 04 2013 16:34 Anjellycar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2013 08:13 Meggiroth wrote:
Stop sugar coating his very bad play.
He lost to really stupid reasons in the second series against innovation like TERRIBLE or NON-EXISTENT SCOUTING.
You can't play like that in GSL, its not some backwater foreigner tournament like Stephano is used to believe.
He probably thought about some epic macro strats and because of his overall approach to the game,practice and everything related. He got to the point where he forgets to do some really simple and gamebreacking stuff like SCOUTING.
He simply doesn't enjoy this game anymore and you can't have any great results when you go with that mindset.
Also judging by the fact that he hates Hots as well. I don't see him in the esports scene for too long.
He is totally burned out of sc2 and espots in general but hes still doing all this because hes forced by EG to come to korea and still play. Hes the main figure of EG and still brings a lot of fans/viewers/cash.
My final opinion which I'd stated many months ago when all the slump talk started and most of you were too caught up in blind fanboysm to realize what was actually happening is becoming more obvious day by day now.
He is sick of SC2 and no matter what experience and skill he may have acquired untill now, we won't see him winning anything big ever again. Now its just a slow process of him and EG squizeing the last juices from his glories of the past.
Maybe you missunderstood the sole purpose of a FANclub.. Surely he's not doing as great as 2011 for example, his team like he said in an interview is a bit special.. Rest of your points are pure speculation. Have you seen the guy lately? In ProLeague? On the stream? If youd go to the Facebook albums and compare the Korean SPL album to any other I believe youll find a lot more pictures of him actually smiling. I can assure you he knows about the scouting, theres been numerous posts, tweets and pm's about it. If he will change anything is up to him but please keep this attitude from the fanclub, youre not doing anyone any good by being here and saying such things.
So this place is only for happy rose tinted glasses viewpoints and fantasizing regarding Stephano?
You should point it in the rules of the thread or something.
I'll stop posting anyway since I can't have any open discussion with anyone around here without jumping up trying to paint me as some hater and totally ignoring my points.
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On February 05 2013 00:48 Meggiroth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 16:34 Anjellycar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2013 08:13 Meggiroth wrote:
Stop sugar coating his very bad play.
He lost to really stupid reasons in the second series against innovation like TERRIBLE or NON-EXISTENT SCOUTING.
You can't play like that in GSL, its not some backwater foreigner tournament like Stephano is used to believe.
He probably thought about some epic macro strats and because of his overall approach to the game,practice and everything related. He got to the point where he forgets to do some really simple and gamebreacking stuff like SCOUTING.
He simply doesn't enjoy this game anymore and you can't have any great results when you go with that mindset.
Also judging by the fact that he hates Hots as well. I don't see him in the esports scene for too long.
He is totally burned out of sc2 and espots in general but hes still doing all this because hes forced by EG to come to korea and still play. Hes the main figure of EG and still brings a lot of fans/viewers/cash.
My final opinion which I'd stated many months ago when all the slump talk started and most of you were too caught up in blind fanboysm to realize what was actually happening is becoming more obvious day by day now.
He is sick of SC2 and no matter what experience and skill he may have acquired untill now, we won't see him winning anything big ever again. Now its just a slow process of him and EG squizeing the last juices from his glories of the past.
Maybe you missunderstood the sole purpose of a FANclub.. Surely he's not doing as great as 2011 for example, his team like he said in an interview is a bit special.. Rest of your points are pure speculation. Have you seen the guy lately? In ProLeague? On the stream? If youd go to the Facebook albums and compare the Korean SPL album to any other I believe youll find a lot more pictures of him actually smiling. I can assure you he knows about the scouting, theres been numerous posts, tweets and pm's about it. If he will change anything is up to him but please keep this attitude from the fanclub, youre not doing anyone any good by being here and saying such things. So this place is only for happy rose tinted glasses viewpoints and fantasizing regarding Stephano?
No, but you have to realize that calling Stephano a burned out player, who is only in the scene because his team wants to market him and will never accomplish anything in SC2 again will not gain any sympathies in a ->FAN<-club.
I really don't get the double standards with TL. Usually saying anything bad about a player in another fanclub results in at least a warning if not a temp ban (which i think is too strict).
In the Stephano fanclub people can come and post hate posts without any consequences (this statement is not exclusively directed to you Meggiroth).
Really nice btw, that Stephano was able to get another win in PL!  Stephano fighting!
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On February 04 2013 08:13 Meggiroth wrote:
Stop sugar coating his very bad play.
He lost to really stupid reasons in the second series against innovation like TERRIBLE or NON-EXISTENT SCOUTING.
You can't play like that in GSL, its not some backwater foreigner tournament like Stephano is used to believe.
He probably thought about some epic macro strats and because of his overall approach to the game,practice and everything related. He got to the point where he forgets to do some really simple and gamebreacking stuff like SCOUTING.
He simply doesn't enjoy this game anymore and you can't have any great results when you go with that mindset.
Also judging by the fact that he hates Hots as well. I don't see him in the esports scene for too long.
He is totally burned out of sc2 and espots in general but hes still doing all this because hes forced by EG to come to korea and still play. Hes the main figure of EG and still brings a lot of fans/viewers/cash.
My final opinion which I'd stated many months ago when all the slump talk started and most of you were too caught up in blind fanboysm to realize what was actually happening is becoming more obvious day by day now.
He is sick of SC2 and no matter what experience and skill he may have acquired untill now, we won't see him winning anything big ever again. Now its just a slow process of him and EG squizeing the last juices from his glories of the past.
Well that's like your opinion man..
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Streaminguuuuuuuu!
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