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On February 02 2013 04:19 Weirdkid wrote:Haha at least he now holds the record for making his opponent gg with the opponent at 170-180 supply  Don't remember any ggs with higher supply counts than that lol
If I remember correctly Idra gged at 200 supply against Jinro in the showmatch introducing the first season of NASL. It was on Crevasse and basically Idra had no chance to beat Jinro with his army composition.
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On February 02 2013 04:40 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 04:19 Weirdkid wrote:Haha at least he now holds the record for making his opponent gg with the opponent at 170-180 supply Don't remember any ggs with higher supply counts than that lol dang man indeed, everytime i think about this it gets me chills. Wtf at leaving the game HOPELESSLY with 180supply. Jesus ...
Lol, I guess you don't play Terran... Zerg had infestors and ultras while Terran has marines, even if max supply, it is pretty hopeless.
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Anyone else notice how much terran runs away from zerg? For example, oh shit banelings, quick lads run. Also the moment either ultras, broods or infestors appear in the field of vision is quickly followed by a terran mass evacuation. Ive found this pretty hilarious to watch sometimes.
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On February 02 2013 07:00 Eire_91 wrote:
Anyone else notice how much terran runs away from zerg? For example, oh shit banelings, quick lads run. Also the moment either ultras, broods or infestors appear in the field of vision is quickly followed by a terran mass evacuation. Ive found this pretty hilarious to watch sometimes.
Would you not run if 40 suicidal sacs filled with acid came rolling at you?
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GGs
Thanks for the enjoyable games, better luck next time.
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On February 02 2013 03:21 LgNKami wrote:
I think the problem is that Stephano did not prepare specific builds like most of the GSL players do, he just went in as if it was a MLG/IPL event with that mass game mentality. Koreans have been studying his style for a long time now, it's no surprise that he was beaten this way, especially by 2 terrans.
Yeah i heard that from Stephano himself. He was aware of that. He knew that GSL format wasnt good for him because of these specific builds against him. He prefer 3-4 days tournaments as IPL and MLG.
GJ to bogus either way. He made his homework and did good timing pushes. I am glad that another terran made it throught.
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On February 02 2013 07:07 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 07:00 Eire_91 wrote:
Anyone else notice how much terran runs away from zerg? For example, oh shit banelings, quick lads run. Also the moment either ultras, broods or infestors appear in the field of vision is quickly followed by a terran mass evacuation. Ive found this pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. Would you not run if 40 suicidal sacs filled with acid came rolling at you?
Depends, if they didn't have speed I would run, if they did have speed I would not run because I would be fucked either way.
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On February 02 2013 08:23 syroz wrote:
A fair point.
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On February 02 2013 04:40 BjoernK wrote:Say what? Or did you mean to say twice by the same terran?
Was 2 times to Bogus. He 2-0d Hack.
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On February 02 2013 02:47 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 21:40 Provok wrote:On February 01 2013 21:38 VelJa wrote:
so he lost on a push with VCS ? ;( yeah, as usual, maybe zergs should write IMBA IMBA IMBA in the tchat to do something about pushing with scvs and being still able to have a solid macro because of mules. anyway gg stephano, u tried to play it with honor as usual. You aren't supposed to win vs proxy 11/11 without scouting lol, thankfully because that would be ridiculous.
you can. But it all depends on whether the terran's micro can pull it off in some map abusable way and how many and how early you pulled the drones.
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On February 02 2013 09:15 thekaas wrote:A fair point.
I don't know man, I wouldn't be so sure about that
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On February 02 2013 08:19 syroz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 03:21 LgNKami wrote:
I think the problem is that Stephano did not prepare specific builds like most of the GSL players do, he just went in as if it was a MLG/IPL event with that mass game mentality. Koreans have been studying his style for a long time now, it's no surprise that he was beaten this way, especially by 2 terrans. Yeah i heard that from Stephano himself. He was aware of that. He knew that GSL format wasnt good for him because of these specific builds against him. He prefer 3-4 days tournaments as IPL and MLG. GJ to bogus either way. He made his homework and did good timing pushes. I am glad that another terran made it throught.
So did Stephano didnt bother to prepare, or is it simply not his way of doing it?
Beacuse GSL is the biggest thing there is, and if you get the chanse, I dont see why you shouldnt prepare.
Seems abit unproffesional to me if thats the case
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On February 02 2013 18:09 Keidy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 08:19 syroz wrote:On February 02 2013 03:21 LgNKami wrote:
I think the problem is that Stephano did not prepare specific builds like most of the GSL players do, he just went in as if it was a MLG/IPL event with that mass game mentality. Koreans have been studying his style for a long time now, it's no surprise that he was beaten this way, especially by 2 terrans. Yeah i heard that from Stephano himself. He was aware of that. He knew that GSL format wasnt good for him because of these specific builds against him. He prefer 3-4 days tournaments as IPL and MLG. GJ to bogus either way. He made his homework and did good timing pushes. I am glad that another terran made it throught. So did Stephano didnt bother to prepare, or is it simply not his way of doing it? Beacuse GSL is the biggest thing there is, and if you get the chanse, I dont see why you shouldnt prepare. Seems abit unproffesional to me if thats the case
Of course he prepared. But anyone can die to an all-in. Sometimes you scout it, sometimes you don't. Sometimes your build can handle it, sometimes it can't. No doubt Stephano could have been better prepared/more diligent in his scouting for them, but old habits are hard to change and shit happens in a stressful situation.
Think of innovation's game versus DRG. In the first game, innovation went for a heavy timing off of two bases. However, DRG's build matched up to innovation's so that his first two infestors popped out just as the attack hit. DRG still had to pull drones, but the infestors allowed him able to hold the push. If innovation had gone for a push that hit just 30 seconds earlier, he may very well not have. That is not down to DRG being "better prepared", it's simply a matter of BOs matching up and DRG having a bit of luck.
There have been some murmuring that Stephano "played the same build every time". Well, people who say that are simply unable to look past what they think about how Stephano play and how he actually played. Stephano played ling pressure, roach+ling expand, ling+baneling expand, 1-1 roach timing, both infestor and muta, and ultras and BL.
Stephano didn't lose because he was predictable (because, well, he wasn't), he lost because of his insufficient scouting/map awareness and because he was a bit unlucky.
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Innovation is known for his all in, stephano could be more carefull about it
on daybreak he died on a 2 proxy racks, but he didn't send any drone to scout...
he played very well in the macro games so i can't blame him 
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I remember playing against him on ladder with him not bothering to scout and I thought that since it was ladder and he just won IPL3, ESWC and what not he like trolled and did it in every ladder game, like even if I die to 11/11 it's ladder it won't matter as long as I scout properly in important matches. Truth is he still doesn't bother to do it, MMA tried to exploit it in Iron Squid and it didn't work so that's why Stephano still thought 11/11 isn't that much of a threat, but fact is in live events without lag and shit against prepared koreans terrans such as Bogus, it's suicidal not to scout on popular 2rax proxy maps such as Daybreak.
Even though I wanted Stephano to qualify I was really happy to see him punished like that for not bothering to scout, maybe because of my terran bias. For the whirlwind game it's like he didn't have anyone in the house to practice on it or something, and I don't know why he repeated his mistake of not sending a ling in front of the terran base (not sure if it would have mattered though, Bogus did have 1-1 for the second attack and it would have been difficult at this point to hold the attack without infestors and/or baneling speed, so he would have lost his third base for sure).
He was overthinking in his first bo3 against Bogus, you could feel how uncomfortable he was with the format, he was like mindgaming himself thinking Bogus would have studied him 100% but it wasn't really the case. In the second bo3 the lack of scouting really cost him the game, so had he come in code S a season before he would have had the experience necessary to advance, or an easier group.
If he sticks to the GSL even for HotS he will probably qualify.
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i really would have loved to see stephano win
but if you die to cheese against a notorious cheeser because you simply dont scout (3 faq BF, 11/11, 7rax allin) you also dont deserve it.
why not mix in cheese yourself from time to time?
i think stephano is not what artosis calls a "complete player" yet
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His GSL debut made me think about the Matrix.
Everybody falls the first time.
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mmm stephano does use roach, roach ling, roach ling bane, and ling bane all ins, at least from time to time so that is not the problem.
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On February 02 2013 04:40 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 04:19 Weirdkid wrote:Haha at least he now holds the record for making his opponent gg with the opponent at 170-180 supply Don't remember any ggs with higher supply counts than that lol dang man indeed, everytime i think about this it gets me chills. Wtf at leaving the game HOPELESSLY with 180supply. Jesus ...
It was hopeless because if he waits 10 more seconds with the gg he has 100 supply instead of 180 and no ressources to remax. He gged before the fight was over and he didn't lose all his units, that's why the supply was still high.
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