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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
April 24 2011 00:17 GMT
#1341
oGsMC = the Bisu of sc2... Amazing PvZ and PvP but his PvT seems to be lacking as of late anyway.... Still I think he will overcome that Can't wait to see him Roflstomp the Up/downs and take vengeance on Code S!
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 00:24:40
April 24 2011 00:19 GMT
#1342
The only time you can say that someone's macro slips is when

1. Their army isn't close to 200/200 yet and are floating 1k+ resources.

2. They aren't conserving resources for end game units (like I said above).

Plenty of players bank resources after their army hits 200/200 - it's impossible to spend anything otherwise.

Honestly, most of these pro players who practice many hours a day are pretty close in terms of macro ability. SC2 macro mechanics aren't difficult - I think what separates the good players from the bad is the micro mechanical advantage when engaging (sadly, still mostly blobs), and multi-tasking.

Thus, it's not surprising that WC3 players are doing so well - they are practiced and good at the other two categories, and the one category that BW players are the strongest at (macro), is nerfed mechanically in this game.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
April 24 2011 00:37 GMT
#1343
On April 24 2011 09:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
oGsMC = the Bisu of sc2... Amazing PvZ and PvP but his PvT seems to be lacking as of late anyway.... Still I think he will overcome that Can't wait to see him Roflstomp the Up/downs and take vengeance on Code S!



lol that makes a lot of sence

god help the poor fool that hast to go against him. Hes gona be real pissed
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
April 24 2011 03:13 GMT
#1344
oGsMC vs. ThorZain, Game 4

It's like many have always said-- you don't see as many macro games from MC because most players don't survive past his first push, not because he isn't a top-flight macro player.

If you haven't seen this game already, it underscores that point beautifully. Epic.
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
April 24 2011 04:06 GMT
#1345
On April 24 2011 08:20 IamEEEEEE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:14 Snaphoo wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:53 IamEEEEEE wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:40 j3i wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:26 IamEEEEEE wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:54 Dommk wrote:
Bad luck MC, coming back in the 4th game after a failed early aggression and being 0-0 upgrades against 2-2 was freaking amazing. From that 4th game alone I think you were the better player (but Thorzane played freaking amazing as well!), too bad your Voidray/DT openings all failed

The last game seems like a build order loss, didn't look like MC has ever played against that timing, but the on the fly response was nuts, don't think anyone would have been able to respond to an unknown build that well


That build wasnt unknown to MC at all. I happen to know that for a fact because I was at a Copenhagen netcafe where MC trained prior to Copenhagen Games where I saw MC watch Thorzain's TSL matches. And I saw him practice that exact "on the fly response" against TLO. MC is definitely not a player who can make up stuff on the fly.


If what you say is true, then it definitely was not an "on the fly response." However, I don't know why you would say he can't make up stuff on the fly :/


MC has great mechanics no doubt about that, but he doesnt strike me as a genius as far as build engineering goes. I saw him fall apart a couple of times against TLO and Cloud who were also there.



MC basically created pre-January patch PvT. Ever seen a 3 Gate Void attack on a walled-in Terran? 6 Gate bunker bust of an FE'ing Terran?

Yeah. You're welcome.

As far as PvZ, his clinical dismantling of JulyZerg created the modern-day "Is this a 3 gate sentry expand? Or a cancelled-nexus 4 gate? I can't cheat on econ or units without being sure!" dilemma every Zerg faces in PvZ.

MC is a creative as well as technically savvy player.


Just because he did the build, doesnt mean it was he who came up with it.

Edit: I am not bashing him in any way. He's obviously a great player with amazing control and mechanics and I am very much in awe after seeing him play at first hand, but to call him creative is something I wouldnt do. I've seen noobs do the things he does back in beta. It's just that he's so fucking good at doing it :p


He made it popular as well as refine it to a state that it is viable in top level play. If you think of all the top Protosses and see who is setting the trend for Protoss strats, it is MC.
ziggurat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada847 Posts
April 24 2011 04:20 GMT
#1346
MC playing in NASL, this is the third tournament he's been in that's been broadcast today. Wow. Busy boy!
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
April 24 2011 04:39 GMT
#1347
MC slumping recently .

+ Show Spoiler +

0-2 to polt in GSL ro32
2-3 to thorzain in TSLro8
0-2 to ret in NASL

but i believe in mc
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
April 24 2011 04:40 GMT
#1348
lol, these 2 games from MC at NASL.... Funny+ Show Spoiler +
if he had won
IamEEEEEE
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain6 Posts
April 24 2011 04:40 GMT
#1349
On April 24 2011 13:06 kheldorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:20 IamEEEEEE wrote:
On April 24 2011 08:14 Snaphoo wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:53 IamEEEEEE wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:40 j3i wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:26 IamEEEEEE wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:54 Dommk wrote:
Bad luck MC, coming back in the 4th game after a failed early aggression and being 0-0 upgrades against 2-2 was freaking amazing. From that 4th game alone I think you were the better player (but Thorzane played freaking amazing as well!), too bad your Voidray/DT openings all failed

The last game seems like a build order loss, didn't look like MC has ever played against that timing, but the on the fly response was nuts, don't think anyone would have been able to respond to an unknown build that well


That build wasnt unknown to MC at all. I happen to know that for a fact because I was at a Copenhagen netcafe where MC trained prior to Copenhagen Games where I saw MC watch Thorzain's TSL matches. And I saw him practice that exact "on the fly response" against TLO. MC is definitely not a player who can make up stuff on the fly.


If what you say is true, then it definitely was not an "on the fly response." However, I don't know why you would say he can't make up stuff on the fly :/


MC has great mechanics no doubt about that, but he doesnt strike me as a genius as far as build engineering goes. I saw him fall apart a couple of times against TLO and Cloud who were also there.



MC basically created pre-January patch PvT. Ever seen a 3 Gate Void attack on a walled-in Terran? 6 Gate bunker bust of an FE'ing Terran?

Yeah. You're welcome.

As far as PvZ, his clinical dismantling of JulyZerg created the modern-day "Is this a 3 gate sentry expand? Or a cancelled-nexus 4 gate? I can't cheat on econ or units without being sure!" dilemma every Zerg faces in PvZ.

MC is a creative as well as technically savvy player.


Just because he did the build, doesnt mean it was he who came up with it.

Edit: I am not bashing him in any way. He's obviously a great player with amazing control and mechanics and I am very much in awe after seeing him play at first hand, but to call him creative is something I wouldnt do. I've seen noobs do the things he does back in beta. It's just that he's so fucking good at doing it :p


He made it popular as well as refine it to a state that it is viable in top level play. If you think of all the top Protosses and see who is setting the trend for Protoss strats, it is MC.


Why are you quoting me? What you said has nothing to do with what I said.
IamEEEEEE
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain6 Posts
April 24 2011 04:41 GMT
#1350
NASL spoiler + Show Spoiler +
so sad to see MC lose. his builds were amazingly clever and well thought out
esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
April 24 2011 04:41 GMT
#1351
On April 24 2011 13:39 Juliette wrote:
MC slumping recently .

+ Show Spoiler +

0-2 to polt in GSL ro32
2-3 to thorzain in TSLro8
0-2 to ret in NASL

but i believe in mc


Don't forget 4-0 Kas.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
April 24 2011 04:47 GMT
#1352
On April 24 2011 13:41 esaul17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 13:39 Juliette wrote:
MC slumping recently .

+ Show Spoiler +

0-2 to polt in GSL ro32
2-3 to thorzain in TSLro8
0-2 to ret in NASL

but i believe in mc


Don't forget 4-0 Kas.

i didnt get to watch how were they?

OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
dragoonier
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 04:55:59
April 24 2011 04:54 GMT
#1353
Mc looked unstoppable like his run in the gsl 3 against Kas. So I hope he comes back stronger. I don't think that travelling all the time is good for his perfomance. If he can concentrate on one tournament he should do pretty well.
Pokemonxoxo
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States217 Posts
April 24 2011 05:20 GMT
#1354
Since MC probably played NASL and TSL before Copenhagenm, I could see why he was on fire...
Within and Without
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
April 24 2011 08:44 GMT
#1355
YO Mizu, you should add a list of his accomplishments , they're going to start piling up.
IMNestea's biggest fan.
Morale
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1010 Posts
April 24 2011 08:52 GMT
#1356
On April 24 2011 13:47 Juliette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 13:41 esaul17 wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:39 Juliette wrote:
MC slumping recently .

+ Show Spoiler +

0-2 to polt in GSL ro32
2-3 to thorzain in TSLro8
0-2 to ret in NASL

but i believe in mc


Don't forget 4-0 Kas.

i didnt get to watch how were they?



Pretty 1 sided:D MC was out for blood!
CokaOath
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong75 Posts
April 24 2011 09:49 GMT
#1357
On April 24 2011 13:06 kheldorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:20 IamEEEEEE wrote:
On April 24 2011 08:14 Snaphoo wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:53 IamEEEEEE wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:40 j3i wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:26 IamEEEEEE wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:54 Dommk wrote:
Bad luck MC, coming back in the 4th game after a failed early aggression and being 0-0 upgrades against 2-2 was freaking amazing. From that 4th game alone I think you were the better player (but Thorzane played freaking amazing as well!), too bad your Voidray/DT openings all failed

The last game seems like a build order loss, didn't look like MC has ever played against that timing, but the on the fly response was nuts, don't think anyone would have been able to respond to an unknown build that well


That build wasnt unknown to MC at all. I happen to know that for a fact because I was at a Copenhagen netcafe where MC trained prior to Copenhagen Games where I saw MC watch Thorzain's TSL matches. And I saw him practice that exact "on the fly response" against TLO. MC is definitely not a player who can make up stuff on the fly.


If what you say is true, then it definitely was not an "on the fly response." However, I don't know why you would say he can't make up stuff on the fly :/


MC has great mechanics no doubt about that, but he doesnt strike me as a genius as far as build engineering goes. I saw him fall apart a couple of times against TLO and Cloud who were also there.



MC basically created pre-January patch PvT. Ever seen a 3 Gate Void attack on a walled-in Terran? 6 Gate bunker bust of an FE'ing Terran?

Yeah. You're welcome.

As far as PvZ, his clinical dismantling of JulyZerg created the modern-day "Is this a 3 gate sentry expand? Or a cancelled-nexus 4 gate? I can't cheat on econ or units without being sure!" dilemma every Zerg faces in PvZ.

MC is a creative as well as technically savvy player.


Just because he did the build, doesnt mean it was he who came up with it.

Edit: I am not bashing him in any way. He's obviously a great player with amazing control and mechanics and I am very much in awe after seeing him play at first hand, but to call him creative is something I wouldnt do. I've seen noobs do the things he does back in beta. It's just that he's so fucking good at doing it :p


He made it popular as well as refine it to a state that it is viable in top level play. If you think of all the top Protosses and see who is setting the trend for Protoss strats, it is MC.


So true. MC makes many builds against T/Z "feasible" in top-tier fight. There is no new thing under the sun, what great people do is make refine it to its finest and execute it flawlessly.

Before MC, there is no Ro4 protoss. After MC, protoss IMBA. He DEFINES protoss. MC fighting!
"All warfare is based on deception." ~ Sun Tzu
CokaOath
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong75 Posts
April 24 2011 09:52 GMT
#1358
On April 24 2011 13:41 IamEEEEEE wrote:
NASL spoiler + Show Spoiler +
so sad to see MC lose. his builds were amazingly clever and well thought out

I guess he is really ... + Show Spoiler +
tired. Copenhagen games to final, TSL, NASL in one day.
"All warfare is based on deception." ~ Sun Tzu
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 24 2011 10:19 GMT
#1359
On April 24 2011 18:52 CokaOath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 13:41 IamEEEEEE wrote:
NASL spoiler + Show Spoiler +
so sad to see MC lose. his builds were amazingly clever and well thought out

I guess he is really ... + Show Spoiler +
tired. Copenhagen games to final, TSL, NASL in one day.

Tsl is casted from replays though.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
April 24 2011 14:53 GMT
#1360
On April 24 2011 19:19 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 18:52 CokaOath wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:41 IamEEEEEE wrote:
NASL spoiler + Show Spoiler +
so sad to see MC lose. his builds were amazingly clever and well thought out

I guess he is really ... + Show Spoiler +
tired. Copenhagen games to final, TSL, NASL in one day.

Tsl is casted from replays though.


InControl and Chill mentioned he was playing from the EU server for both TSL and NASL so he was in Denmark at that time, probably playing the group stages for Copenhagen.
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