EPTMC has a major flaw and that happens to be teching too fast when he decides to play a macro game. Every single game he lost was because he opted for a variety of units instead of one strong group of units, and not getting upgrades was a conscious decision rather than a mental slip. If he refines his builds I think he'd be able to improve his PvT drastically.
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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IamEEEEEE
Spain6 Posts
On April 24 2011 06:54 Dommk wrote: Bad luck MC, coming back in the 4th game after a failed early aggression and being 0-0 upgrades against 2-2 was freaking amazing. From that 4th game alone I think you were the better player (but Thorzane played freaking amazing as well!), too bad your Voidray/DT openings all failed  The last game seems like a build order loss, didn't look like MC has ever played against that timing, but the on the fly response was nuts, don't think anyone would have been able to respond to an unknown build that well That build wasnt unknown to MC at all. I happen to know that for a fact because I was at a Copenhagen netcafe where MC trained prior to Copenhagen Games where I saw MC watch Thorzain's TSL matches. And I saw him practice that exact "on the fly response" against TLO. MC is definitely not a player who can make up stuff on the fly. | ||
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Zazzles
Slovakia153 Posts
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j3i
United States357 Posts
On April 24 2011 07:26 IamEEEEEE wrote: That build wasnt unknown to MC at all. I happen to know that for a fact because I was at a Copenhagen netcafe where MC trained prior to Copenhagen Games where I saw MC watch Thorzain's TSL matches. And I saw him practice that exact "on the fly response" against TLO. MC is definitely not a player who can make up stuff on the fly. If what you say is true, then it definitely was not an "on the fly response." However, I don't know why you would say he can't make up stuff on the fly :/ | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
WP game 4 though and well done in Copenhagen. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
I'm glad to see that he's started his vengeance + Show Spoiler + by 4-0'ing Kas in Finals of Copenhagen and using his first signature build, the 6 Gate Stalker/Sentry bust of a an FE'ing Terran, for the first time in what seems like forever. Good to see that he is once again channeling his PvT beastmode! Impressively, MC has won every live foreign tournament he has entered into. | ||
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IamEEEEEE
Spain6 Posts
On April 24 2011 07:40 j3i wrote: If what you say is true, then it definitely was not an "on the fly response." However, I don't know why you would say he can't make up stuff on the fly :/ MC has great mechanics no doubt about that, but he doesnt strike me as a genius as far as build engineering goes. I saw him fall apart a couple of times against TLO and Cloud who were also there. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 24 2011 07:04 Overpowered wrote: MC has some flaws in his game (upgrades, late game sentries) but he played very well with Thorzain. I hope he can learn from his mistakes and become the most awesome player in the world, the real bonjwa :D He knows sentry & WG pushes better than anyone he just prefers to show other things since it's basically an insta win for him. He's even said he prefers not to do WG rushes and show other things. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On April 24 2011 07:53 IamEEEEEE wrote: MC has great mechanics no doubt about that, but he doesnt strike me as a genius as far as build engineering goes. I saw him fall apart a couple of times against TLO and Cloud who were also there. MC basically created pre-January patch PvT. Ever seen a 3 Gate Void attack on a walled-in Terran? 6 Gate bunker bust of an FE'ing Terran? Yeah. You're welcome. As far as PvZ, his clinical dismantling of JulyZerg created the modern-day "Is this a 3 gate sentry expand? Or a cancelled-nexus 4 gate? I can't cheat on econ or units without being sure!" dilemma every Zerg faces in PvZ. MC is a creative as well as technically savvy player. | ||
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IamEEEEEE
Spain6 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:14 Snaphoo wrote: MC basically created pre-January patch PvT. Ever seen a 3 Gate Void attack on a walled-in Terran? 6 Gate bunker bust of an FE'ing Terran? Yeah. You're welcome. As far as PvZ, his clinical dismantling of JulyZerg created the modern-day "Is this a 3 gate sentry expand? Or a cancelled-nexus 4 gate? I can't cheat on econ or units without being sure!" dilemma every Zerg faces in PvZ. MC is a creative as well as technically savvy player. Just because he did the build, doesnt mean it was he who came up with it. Edit: I am not bashing him in any way. He's obviously a great player with amazing control and mechanics and I am very much in awe after seeing him play at first hand, but to call him creative is something I wouldnt do. I've seen noobs do the things he does back in beta. It's just that he's so fucking good at doing it :p | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:00 tdt wrote: He knows sentry & WG pushes better than anyone he just prefers to show other things since it's basically an insta win for him. He's even said he prefers not to do WG rushes and show other things. + Show Spoiler + Didn't he try that against Thorzain on TD altar? thorzain held it of and had the advantage after that. | ||
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Xaax
United States102 Posts
mc went for pure zealot and stalker with no sentry. So thorzain basically had some advantage with no imaginary wall cutting the marines away. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Those games vs. thorzain were sooooo good, but MC could've avoided losses if he upgraded. he outmacroed Thorzain, but when thorzain has 2-2 and MC has 0-0 or 1-0......even collosus cant save you. | ||
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Xaax
United States102 Posts
keep in mind when you try to macro and fit in upg with a forge or 2 your going to be down in a few unit then usual so it might be hard to be aggressive or defend against a timing push. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
MC is a boss, just has to focus on his PvT. Its amusing because the person other people consider in the top two best in the world, MVP, always meets his end in TvP. Both are almost unbeatable at their mirror matchups but lose when they face the others. Hopefully they both focus on that. MC's win ratio versus P and Z is insane, if he brings up his vT he'll definitely be top. He just has to get used to foreigner styles too I think. There are so many variations on timing pushes and styles that he probably faces things he has never seen in Korea. MC is definitely a boss, you can really tell he's trying to show entertaining games like DT FE and Voidray FE when he knows he probably has a 85% chance to win with a gateway timing push. People who say his macro is bad really baffle me, just watch his resource management in any game he plays. His first game v IdrA at Dreamhack, he barely ever went above 600 minerals until he maxed out, and since protoss basically stockpiles money for warpins that's pretty crazy on 4-5 base. And he faces Ret today. Sooooo many MC games. Too bad he didn't beat Thorzain but SC is still such a volatile game and he's playing so many series that he's bound to lose every once in a while. | ||
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Xaax
United States102 Posts
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On April 24 2011 09:00 Xaax wrote: I don't think anyone can keep there money low in 3-4 bases running at a time lol. He basically outmacro'd IdrA I'd say, maybe I'm wrong but IdrA often floated 1k+ while MC was consistently low. I think people really underestimate his macro, it just doesn't get showcased because he ends up killing everyone so soon. Then he tries to play macro games and loses to timing pushes now t.t | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On April 24 2011 09:00 Xaax wrote: I don't think anyone can keep there money low in 3-4 bases running at a time lol. Plenty of people can do that - it's just when it gets to 4+ bases, some players will often save up the resources for endgame units like BC's or BL's. Watch any NaDa or mvp game, for example. | ||
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Xaax
United States102 Posts
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Jerax
Canada189 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:30 McKTenor13 wrote: MC you are the best protoss in the world and I would have to say the best player in the world in sc2 right, but please either HuK or Jinro or someone tell him to upgrade earlier! + Show Spoiler + Those games vs. thorzain were sooooo good, but MC could've avoided losses if he upgraded. he outmacroed Thorzain, but when thorzain has 2-2 and MC has 0-0 or 1-0......even collosus cant save you. You talk as if upgrades are free. You always have to give up something to get something, and getting early upgrades didnt really fit into MC's builds. Everybody knows upgrades are good, but just putting early 2 forge upgrades into the builds that he did in TSL would just make his strategies ineffective. | ||
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