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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On August 17 2011 06:51 Fus wrote: Now IdrA isn't the teams best player anymore :D When Puma joined Idra wasn't the best player anymore.. Oh well Best of luck HuK  | ||
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Kiangani
United States122 Posts
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LiGhtoftheSwaRm
United States39 Posts
On August 17 2011 07:16 HolyArrow wrote: I'm worried that HuK will decline as a player simply because he's living with IdrA and PuMa instead of the entire oGs house. Hopefully he'll still be able to practice with all of them, but it's not the same as being in the same room. I just don't understand this at all. Because of these past few days, as well as Huk's performance in the past few months I have become a fan; however, some people on the forum here are doing a great disservice to HuK as a player to immidietly assume his skill level will suffer atrophy for the express reason that he will no longer be in the TL-oGs house. HuK is where he is now through hard work and extreme perseverence, to think any different would be a knock on HuK himself. I understand how valuable strong practice partners can be in achieving such a goal, but let's be frankly honest, there is a certain amount of talent and aptitude that plays a large part in this process as well. Players like HuK (as well I believe someone like IdrA) understand the game at a different level than many other foreigners. This is why we have not seen similiar results from Haypro and from Jinro (recently, as much as I love the guy,) who have been in the exact same environment as HuK. IdrA left Korea 6 months ago because he was virtually alone, he wasn't really living with anyone and was not in a Team House environment, but he STILL was able to qualify and maintain a position in Code S despite these factors. Why? He was devoted to Starcraft at that time, and nothing else was on his mind. Also he had many Korean practice partners from various teams who were more than willing to help him train for various matchups as it was mutually beneficial for them. In the same way, HuK as long as he stays in Korea and stays FOCUSED will suffer no atrophy in his game play as long as his focus stays on improving his own skill level. All in all, I find this baseless criticism of HuK's decision to go to EG as a future loss in ability to be rooted in the fact TL members just can't come to grips with the fact there might be better situations for some players outside of what to them has become a storied experience in Korea with the TL-oGs team house. I don't believe this decision by HuK was made simply because of the money (though I'm sure it played a large part,) but it is quite possible that he felt he would have more opportunities to win tournaments in the future by joining EG. Which, if you are a fan of HuK and think he is a good player, then you should too. If you think however, that he will suffer atrophy and will simply be a terrible player now because he no longer is a member of your precious Liquid, then I guess we know what you were a fan of in the first place. | ||
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LittleAtari
Jordan1090 Posts
Huk, there was a time where I didnt even know what a build order was. I downloaded a bunch of your games and learned a lot. Starting from then, you have become my favorite player and will continue to be so. I know people say that you shouldn't do things for the money, but that phrase just seems so greedy because we know that it's not necessarily about acquiring more money. It's about the comfort that comes with it. I'm sure now you'll have the funds and the means to visit your family and friends more. You've been a great inspiration. If you stay the way are, no matter which team your on, it will show great maturity and I will respect you even more. As for Liquid, you guys are heroes as well. This is hard, but I know that there's more than enough talent on Liquid, that the team and organization can one day grow to rival EG. Liquid FIGHTING! HuK FIGHTING! In addition, it'll be rough now, but more people will come to accept it soon. Hang in there Huk and be the best that you can be. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
On August 17 2011 06:28 cavalier117 wrote: EG-Has Justin Wong, the most popular figure in the fighting scene. only Diago compares(but noone knows who he even is sadly) Best be trollin' son... Daigo, is far and away, better than Justin Wong. | ||
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felizuno
United States164 Posts
Please please please continue IdrA rivalry! I know he was always more into it than you, but it makes me laugh because you are clearly better than him which makes it priceless. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
It just goes against my souuuuul GL HF in future etc. -.- | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On August 17 2011 07:35 nvs. wrote: Can't cheer for HuK anymore, I will never cheer for and/or support EG or EG players. It just goes against my souuuuul GL HF in future etc. -.- ugh ppl come into the "fan Club" to say this lol... | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
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Xadar
497 Posts
On August 17 2011 07:35 nvs. wrote: Can't cheer for HuK anymore, I will never cheer for and/or support EG or EG players. It just goes against my souuuuul GL HF in future etc. -.- Damn, im sure Huk really cared about the support from a random forum guy  On topic: Nice, Huk and Idra living in one house, im sure theyll be fine though, that rivalry was pretty overhyped. | ||
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FlyingSheeps
Canada204 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 17 2011 07:26 LiGhtoftheSwaRm wrote: I just don't understand this at all. Because of these past few days, as well as Huk's performance in the past few months I have become a fan; however, some people on the forum here are doing a great disservice to HuK as a player to immidietly assume his skill level will suffer atrophy for the express reason that he will no longer be in the TL-oGs house. HuK is where he is now through hard work and extreme perseverence, to think any different would be a knock on HuK himself. I understand how valuable strong practice partners can be in achieving such a goal, but let's be frankly honest, there is a certain amount of talent and aptitude that plays a large part in this process as well. Players like HuK (as well I believe someone like IdrA) understand the game at a different level than many other foreigners. This is why we have not seen similiar results from Haypro and from Jinro (recently, as much as I love the guy,) who have been in the exact same environment as HuK. IdrA left Korea 6 months ago because he was virtually alone, he wasn't really living with anyone and was not in a Team House environment, but he STILL was able to qualify and maintain a position in Code S despite these factors. Why? He was devoted to Starcraft at that time, and nothing else was on his mind. Also he had many Korean practice partners from various teams who were more than willing to help him train for various matchups as it was mutually beneficial for them. In the same way, HuK as long as he stays in Korea and stays FOCUSED will suffer no atrophy in his game play as long as his focus stays on improving his own skill level. All in all, I find this baseless criticism of HuK's decision to go to EG as a future loss in ability to be rooted in the fact TL members just can't come to grips with the fact there might be better situations for some players outside of what to them has become a storied experience in Korea with the TL-oGs team house. I don't believe this decision by HuK was made simply because of the money (though I'm sure it played a large part,) but it is quite possible that he felt he would have more opportunities to win tournaments in the future by joining EG. Which, if you are a fan of HuK and think he is a good player, then you should too. If you think however, that he will suffer atrophy and will simply be a terrible player now because he no longer is a member of your precious Liquid, then I guess we know what you were a fan of in the first place. I don't agree with your argument, nor do I appreciate your insinuations that I'm not a true fan of HuK. I want to see HuK succeed and I am happy for him that he's going to get some good money for joining EG, but I believe that my concerns are perfectly warranted. Your points about dedication, talent, and focus being some of the most important factors in determining how good a player gets are true, but I believe that you also underplay the importance of a good practice environment, and that's the only thing I'm addressing here. Your point about IdrA is invalid because it doesn't even address my point. You say he went to Korea and did reasonably well despite being virtually alone. Sure, I agree with that. But what if IdrA was living with a Korean team, in a house with a bunch of players as good as or better than him? If that were the case, I argue that he would have become even stronger. We can consider the overall development of a player depending on a combination of many factors: dedication, talent, practice environment, and more. When one of those is affected, the overall development is also affected. That's all I'm saying, but it seems like you felt the need to go off on a rant about how people don't appreciate HuK's talent and dedication in some big bizarre irrelevant strawman that has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make. HuK's talent and dedication remain, and will continue to aid him in his development as a player, but you can't deny that his new practice environment appears to be inferior (a house full of talented players versus a house with only 2: IdrA and PuMa) and that I am perfectly reasonable in stating that I worry that his development as a player will be adversely affected due to that change. | ||
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GDR
Canada407 Posts
Also I don't think I'm on the fan club list. Sign me up there. | ||
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Mr. Black
United States470 Posts
To the haters: HuK did not make this decision lightly. Pro players need to follow the money as tomorrow is never guaranteed for an athlete. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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Tekkerz
United Kingdom216 Posts
On August 17 2011 07:41 Xadar wrote: Damn, im sure Huk really cared about the support from a random forum guy On topic: Nice, Huk and Idra living in one house, im sure theyll be fine though, that rivalry was pretty overhyped. You are one of those random forum guys. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 17 2011 06:28 cavalier117 wrote: "Can there be successful esports organizations without successful esports? That's something the west never really had in the first place, not in small part due to the superficial and greedy understanding of "business" that people at the forefront of western esports always seem to have." the west never had a big sports scene bc bw started before the age of internet in every household, and when there was internet, noone gave a shit about an antiquated game like BW. "moral business models" had nothing to do with it. but then you say that the korean model is the best way to do it to make esports successful. Reality check. Korea's "model" is failing and the they are falling off. (hence all the TSL crying and all the Korean teams dropping out of the NASL bc of lack of money) so what model works again? oh yea. the obvious one. I can't believe you're even trying to argue that western esports model is successful in any way, shape or form, while the Korean model that has brought e-sports at NATIONAL LEVEL and kept it there for a DECADE based almost on one single game unsupported by the developers is "falling off" just because Brood War can't push its age for what... 15, 20, 50 years and because the Korean scene is undergoing a major transition right now... Don't be silly. We can talk about reality checks when any western e-sport bubble survives and thrives past like TWO years with reasonably high level organization, let alone becomes anywhere close to mainstream for a decade. Oh, and I'm not advocating business based on morals at all. Just long term sustainability. Teams like EG and SK can sustain themselves by jumping wagons from one hot esport title to the other and reaping the benefits. They are not in any way invested and couldn't care less about long term survival of Starcraft 2, it's just one game in the line for them - they will exploit the publicity it until it's no longer worth it, and then move to Dota 2, the new CS thing or whatever comes out next, because there's always the next big bubble. What makes Korean model WORK in a long run is that all the pro teams stick together and are very much directly invested in keeping, growing and protecting the (BW) scene, instead of greedily leeching off of each other until there's nothing left anymore. Talking about real world requires considering real facts. Real facts say that the way many people and organizations involved in western esports behave and do business is bad for everyone except themselves, and especially, you know, actual fans... | ||
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