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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:30 skrotcyk wrote: if zerg makes NO misstakes against a protoss that also makes NO misstakes, the protoss wins, which is pretty wierd Huk has +3 stalkers. I don't think Idra had any upgrades. Huk had a slight harvester earlier in the game when he tried to 6 gate. Thats why. Its not just mistakes, its other things as well. | ||
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Warrice
United States565 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:00 SENKi wrote: The thing is that both were on 3 bases, idra had workers lead. So how the hell huk overproduced idra in units when protoss units are more expensive AND huk had better upgrades which means he spend more money on tech than idra did. Grack also had faster 3rd. loloolololloo idra WAS outproducing huk, its just how extremely cost effective vs lower tech units. | ||
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:58 Warrice wrote: this is just flat out wrong. sorry.. zerg can be ahead in upgrades if they want to be. nothing else to really say about your post. A Protoss, a Zerg, and a Terran all starts upgrading at the same time. The Protoss always finishes first because they can travel faster in time. Savvy? | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:05 Mafs wrote: Huk has +3 stalkers. I don't think Idra had any upgrades. Huk had a slight harvester earlier in the game when he tried to 6 gate. Thats why. Its not just mistakes, its other things as well. Huk was +3 because of chronoboost, not some hidden skill he gained from korea. He had more probes because of chronoboost. IdrA was forced to cut drones and make units after scouting 6-7 gateways. Not making units would have been a gamble that would lose most of the time. | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:07 MonsieurGrimm wrote: in other news, idra will be facing the winner of Thorzain vs Tarson in the LB, hopefully Tarson as he's the easier opponent but it will likely be a Thorzain rematch. We can only hope.. But IdrA can take Thorzain if he plays well. ZvT being his best matchup, hopefully he can take whoever wins down and keep moving on.  IdrA fighting!! | ||
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cavalier117
United States430 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:04 Warrice wrote: yeah youre right, i should have provided evidence. a good example is morrows zvp style, it has fast melee ups into a ling bling infester midgame, he is usually ahead in upghrades unless the protoss makes it an obligation to be head with fast two forge and spamming boosts. a single zerg strat (where the focus is upgrades)is not grounds to say zerg should always be ahead... thats like saying protoss should always be ahead bc they have the option to do the double forge build.... that had no relevance on the last match (although i do concede to saying that my first post wasnt related to IdrA's game at first) but if you had to compare IdrA's last game style. i would call it "the norm" over the bling/infestor drops. there's a reason more people dont do it. its bc it doesnt work on players like naniwa or huk. who know how to catch drop play. and just use sentries to stop direct engagements. the reason Huk was ahead was simple. he was much more cost effective with his units due to utilizing blink(which you of course cant blame him for) and bc of that, he could use his chronoboosts exclusively on upgrades if he wanted(which i guarentee he put his emphasis on) so his upgrades took much less time than Idra's and that same unit cost effectiveness let him squeeze out an upgrade when they finish over the additional 1.5 stalkers he coulda otherwise used the resources on. thats why he was ahead. HuK played great and used the tools at his disposal. IdrA didnt have the same tools. nothing in IdrA's play affected his upgrade count considering. at the end, both players still played great. IdrA just simply could not have kept up upgrade wise. he was dying for units as it was. he couldnt have possibly cut even more for those upgrades. | ||
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Keula
Germany157 Posts
Idra had to cut drones and do nothing but produce units and hes unable to hold this shit. inb4 hurr durr upgrades / infestor. Watch the Vod and check the gas. Its nice that protoss can 6 gate stalker only push and upgrade but if zerg cant defend without spending all gas all the time its fucking bullshit. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:13 Keula wrote: This blink stalker shit is ridicolous. Idra had to cut drones and do nothing but produce units and hes unable to hold this shit. inb4 hurr durr upgrades / infestor. Watch the Vod and check the gas. Its nice that protoss can 6 gate stalker only push and upgrade but if zerg cant defend without spending all gas all the time its fucking bullshit. he didnt have enough gas because he didnt take enough gas. please calm down. | ||
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Keula
Germany157 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:20 MonsieurGrimm wrote: he didnt have enough gas because he didnt take enough gas. please calm down. both had 6 gas what are you talking about | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
then he overdroned. he shouldn't have that many minerals if he's on 6 gas | ||
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JKira
Canada1002 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:08 Mailing wrote: Huk was +3 because of chronoboost, not some hidden skill he gained from korea. He had more probes because of chronoboost. IdrA was forced to cut drones and make units after scouting 6-7 gateways. Not making units would have been a gamble that would lose most of the time. Does chronoboost stop opponents from upgrading as well? | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:22 JKira wrote: Does chronoboost stop opponents from upgrading as well? no, but attacking can | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:52 MonsieurGrimm wrote: thing about static defense, in any RTS game, is that you can't get aggressive with it (most of the time, cannon rush bunker rush spine rush yadda yadda go away). he was on even base with a protoss, even if he defends it he needs to expand after and investing that much into spines won't help at all, you need mobile units. it's not allin by huk, if he sees spines he just pulls back and he's in a favourable position I would like to re-emphasise the cost for zerg players. Every spine crawler costs not only minerals but a drone as well. Unless you have planned building them in advance and have prepared a drone, the cost is even higher than what you pay at the moment because it immediately lowers your income. Also, on this map they can't do well enough anyway. On June 26 2011 04:00 SENKi wrote: The thing is that both were on 3 bases, idra had workers lead. So how the hell huk overproduced idra in units when protoss units are more expensive AND huk had better upgrades which means he spend more money on tech than idra did. Grack also had faster 3rd. loloolololloo On June 26 2011 04:08 Mailing wrote: Huk was +3 because of chronoboost, not some hidden skill he gained from korea. He had more probes because of chronoboost. IdrA was forced to cut drones and make units after scouting 6-7 gateways. Not making units would have been a gamble that would lose most of the time. It's not just chrono boost. Idra had more drones when Huk attacked BUT Huk had the worked lead for large portions of the game, which is why he had better tech. One of the worse coin flips zerg players have to face is on large maps, when the protoss player can open with a nexus, while the zerg has no idea what to react to. Idra prefers to be safe, so he goes for pool first, which means that he is behind on macro for the whole game. | ||
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Keula
Germany157 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:21 MonsieurGrimm wrote: then he overdroned. he shouldn't have that many minerals if he's on 6 gas he was 2 drones behind. did you even watch the game | ||
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bankp
Thailand15 Posts
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:24 bankp wrote: How many ZvP does he have to fight to win this tournament? His chances are slim, hoping for a miracle transformation in his ZvP FTW! a lot. not looking good. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:22 JKira wrote: Does chronoboost stop opponents from upgrading as well? Sentry/Stalker requires one upgrade, Blink. Every other piece of gas can go into upgrades. Idra had to get ling and roach speed, burrow, and pathogen glands, while constantly make more roaches than huk was losing stalkers. IdrA was also roach/ling, not pure roach. Only 1/2 of idras units were benefiting from his 1-0 upgrade. | ||
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Suffo
United States936 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:24 bankp wrote: How many ZvP does he have to fight to win this tournament? His chances are slim, hoping for a miracle transformation in his ZvP FTW! Probably 3 more times if he beats Tarson/Thorzaine, MC will probably beat stephano and then naniwa/huk in loser bracket finals and grand finals lol | ||
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