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On June 26 2011 03:35 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:34 Tschis wrote:On June 26 2011 03:33 JKira wrote:On June 26 2011 03:30 skrotcyk wrote: if zerg makes NO misstakes against a protoss that also makes NO misstakes, the protoss wins, which is pretty wierd Well IdrA's mistake was misreading HuK's build as a 6gate allin when in fact it was a 6gate blink expo. So IdrA was on 3 base vs 3 base for longer than necessary and overproduced units. Except it was a 6gate allin that IdrA read correctly, but since HuK new IdrA read it, he changed strategy. So there goes that. Also, I think IdrA could have hold that if he made the spine crawlers sooner =/ If you watched HuK's games in Dreamhack, you would realize that HuK has been doing this 6gate blink expo vs all zergs when he doesn't get to forge expo.
Yeah but you said yourself "when he doesn't get to forge expo", he did get to forge expo this time. Different situations
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On June 26 2011 03:38 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:35 skrotcyk wrote:On June 26 2011 03:33 JKira wrote:On June 26 2011 03:30 skrotcyk wrote: if zerg makes NO misstakes against a protoss that also makes NO misstakes, the protoss wins, which is pretty wierd Well IdrA's mistake was misreading HuK's build as a 6gate allin when in fact it was a 6gate blink expo. So IdrA was on 3 base vs 3 base for longer than necessary and overproduced units. how is it a misstake? he has to make units if he see 6gate blink, he can't just hope huk is gonna expand and not pressure, because if he droned and huk didn't expand he would have died.. ur argument is invaild. Look at my response to another poster above. IdrA overcompensated for a push that was never coming. He had less drones than HuK had probes when HuK put up his third. How does that happen? When HuK set up his third safely and IdrA put up a far fourth without any chance to saturate it, it was over as HuK chronoboosted out 3-0 vs IdrA's 1-0.
IdrA had 47 drones Huk had 40.
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On June 26 2011 03:40 xtfftc wrote:fixed
Wel that last game was pretty ridiculous
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On June 26 2011 03:43 integrity wrote: also maybe if he put 3 spines on the edge of his creep and had all the roaches behind them he could have held it off .
get to silver, then post.
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Blink stalkers really are retarded, idra played perfectly, yet he couldn't do anything.
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On June 26 2011 03:34 Arjofski wrote: Why doesn't he just throw down like 5 spines, he knows something like that is coming. Spines are lol vs blink stalkers. Can't target, stalks do extra damage, and can't chase. Stalk number will NEVER decrease.
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I think when he got burrow he had some time to burrow his roaches (most of them were in the red) and heal them before huk attacked again...maybe he could do this every time huk blinked away
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On June 26 2011 03:44 Tschis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:35 JKira wrote:On June 26 2011 03:34 Tschis wrote:On June 26 2011 03:33 JKira wrote:On June 26 2011 03:30 skrotcyk wrote: if zerg makes NO misstakes against a protoss that also makes NO misstakes, the protoss wins, which is pretty wierd Well IdrA's mistake was misreading HuK's build as a 6gate allin when in fact it was a 6gate blink expo. So IdrA was on 3 base vs 3 base for longer than necessary and overproduced units. Except it was a 6gate allin that IdrA read correctly, but since HuK new IdrA read it, he changed strategy. So there goes that. Also, I think IdrA could have hold that if he made the spine crawlers sooner =/ If you watched HuK's games in Dreamhack, you would realize that HuK has been doing this 6gate blink expo vs all zergs when he doesn't get to forge expo. Yeah but you said yourself "when he doesn't get to forge expo", he did get to forge expo this time. Different situations
Sorry I don't know what I was thinking. I meant to say he does it WITH forge expo to get a fast third up.
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c'mon guys. let's just take a breath and pause for a few seconds. Idra lost the bo3, no big deal. he still has a chance in the losers bracket. And he was the only Z left in the winners bracket anyway. So he did really good.
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On June 26 2011 03:48 SENKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:43 integrity wrote: also maybe if he put 3 spines on the edge of his creep and had all the roaches behind them he could have held it off . get to silver, then post.
Honest question from someone who's clueless either way: what's the problem with the spine crawler defense? Is it that it's very easy to snipe them while blinking back and dodging their shots?
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he didnt play perfectly, he was a little behind in upgrades and was on equal bases vs protoss. i think as soon as he saw blink he needed to tech to hydra or infestors. the game is balanced enough to where if idra played perfectly he wouldnt have lost. Although blink stalkers are extremely cost efficient, he didnt have the tech to hold them off.
Think of it as like facing colossus without corrupters or neural parasite.
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On June 26 2011 03:45 Jaxtyk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:38 JKira wrote:On June 26 2011 03:35 skrotcyk wrote:On June 26 2011 03:33 JKira wrote:On June 26 2011 03:30 skrotcyk wrote: if zerg makes NO misstakes against a protoss that also makes NO misstakes, the protoss wins, which is pretty wierd Well IdrA's mistake was misreading HuK's build as a 6gate allin when in fact it was a 6gate blink expo. So IdrA was on 3 base vs 3 base for longer than necessary and overproduced units. how is it a misstake? he has to make units if he see 6gate blink, he can't just hope huk is gonna expand and not pressure, because if he droned and huk didn't expand he would have died.. ur argument is invaild. Look at my response to another poster above. IdrA overcompensated for a push that was never coming. He had less drones than HuK had probes when HuK put up his third. How does that happen? When HuK set up his third safely and IdrA put up a far fourth without any chance to saturate it, it was over as HuK chronoboosted out 3-0 vs IdrA's 1-0. IdrA had 47 drones Huk had 40.
When HuK first put up the third it was 40 to 39. Then IdrA's ling scouts the third going down and made 7 drones.
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On June 26 2011 03:51 _vk_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:48 SENKi wrote:On June 26 2011 03:43 integrity wrote: also maybe if he put 3 spines on the edge of his creep and had all the roaches behind them he could have held it off . get to silver, then post. Honest question from someone who's clueless either way: what's the problem with the spine crawler defense? Is it that it's very easy to snipe them while blinking back and dodging their shots? thing about static defense, in any RTS game, is that you can't get aggressive with it (most of the time, cannon rush bunker rush spine rush yadda yadda go away). he was on even base with a protoss, even if he defends it he needs to expand after and investing that much into spines won't help at all, you need mobile units.
it's not allin by huk, if he sees spines he just pulls back and he's in a favourable position
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On June 26 2011 03:51 Hardigan wrote: c'mon guys. let's just take a breath and pause for a few seconds. Idra lost the bo3, no big deal. he still has a chance in the losers bracket. And he was the only Z left in the winners bracket anyway. So he did really good. GOOD IS NOT GRACK. It's not the same. Need Grack.
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On June 26 2011 03:52 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:51 _vk_ wrote:On June 26 2011 03:48 SENKi wrote:On June 26 2011 03:43 integrity wrote: also maybe if he put 3 spines on the edge of his creep and had all the roaches behind them he could have held it off . get to silver, then post. Honest question from someone who's clueless either way: what's the problem with the spine crawler defense? Is it that it's very easy to snipe them while blinking back and dodging their shots? thing about static defense, in any RTS game, is that you can't get aggressive with it (most of the time, cannon rush bunker rush spine rush yadda yadda go away). he was on even base with a protoss, even if he defends it he needs to expand after and investing that much into spines won't help at all, you need mobile units. it's not allin by huk, if he sees spines he just pulls back and he's in a favourable position
We can use way simple answer. Spines are just bad vs blink stalkers, they deal very low damage, so with blink there is like 0 dmg vs blink stalkers.
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On June 26 2011 03:51 Warrice wrote: he didnt play perfectly, he was a little behind in upgrades and was on equal bases vs protoss. i think as soon as he saw blink he needed to tech to hydra or infestors. the game is balanced enough to where if idra played perfectly he wouldnt have lost. Although blink stalkers are extremely cost efficient, he didnt have the tech to hold them off.
Think of it as like facing colossus without corrupters or neural parasite.
nothing to do with the last set of games, but you do realize that protoss is always ahead of zerg/terran when it comes to upgrades....especially when it's against Zerg. no difference between protoss ranged/melee upgrades compared to Zerg...and Chronoboost is awesome.
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On June 26 2011 03:56 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:51 Warrice wrote: he didnt play perfectly, he was a little behind in upgrades and was on equal bases vs protoss. i think as soon as he saw blink he needed to tech to hydra or infestors. the game is balanced enough to where if idra played perfectly he wouldnt have lost. Although blink stalkers are extremely cost efficient, he didnt have the tech to hold them off.
Think of it as like facing colossus without corrupters or neural parasite. nothing to do with the last set of games, but you do realize that protoss is always ahead of zerg/terran when it comes to upgrades....especially when it's against Zerg. no difference between protoss ranged/melee upgrades compared to Zerg...and Chronoboost is awesome. this is just flat out wrong. sorry.. zerg can be ahead in upgrades if they want to be. nothing else to really say about your post.
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The thing is that both were on 3 bases, idra had workers lead. So how the hell huk overproduced idra in units when protoss units are more expensive AND huk had better upgrades which means he spend more money on tech than idra did. Grack also had faster 3rd. loloolololloo
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On June 26 2011 03:58 Warrice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:56 cavalier117 wrote:On June 26 2011 03:51 Warrice wrote: he didnt play perfectly, he was a little behind in upgrades and was on equal bases vs protoss. i think as soon as he saw blink he needed to tech to hydra or infestors. the game is balanced enough to where if idra played perfectly he wouldnt have lost. Although blink stalkers are extremely cost efficient, he didnt have the tech to hold them off.
Think of it as like facing colossus without corrupters or neural parasite. nothing to do with the last set of games, but you do realize that protoss is always ahead of zerg/terran when it comes to upgrades....especially when it's against Zerg. no difference between protoss ranged/melee upgrades compared to Zerg...and Chronoboost is awesome. this is just flat out wrong. sorry.. zerg can be ahead in upgrades if they want to be. nothing else to really say about your post.
how do you say its wrong yet present no evidence to prove your point?
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On June 26 2011 04:00 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:58 Warrice wrote:On June 26 2011 03:56 cavalier117 wrote:On June 26 2011 03:51 Warrice wrote: he didnt play perfectly, he was a little behind in upgrades and was on equal bases vs protoss. i think as soon as he saw blink he needed to tech to hydra or infestors. the game is balanced enough to where if idra played perfectly he wouldnt have lost. Although blink stalkers are extremely cost efficient, he didnt have the tech to hold them off.
Think of it as like facing colossus without corrupters or neural parasite. nothing to do with the last set of games, but you do realize that protoss is always ahead of zerg/terran when it comes to upgrades....especially when it's against Zerg. no difference between protoss ranged/melee upgrades compared to Zerg...and Chronoboost is awesome. this is just flat out wrong. sorry.. zerg can be ahead in upgrades if they want to be. nothing else to really say about your post. how do you say its wrong yet present no evidence to prove your point? yeah youre right, i should have provided evidence. a good example is morrows zvp style, it has fast melee ups into a ling bling infester midgame, he is usually ahead in upghrades unless the protoss makes it an obligation to be head with fast two forge and spamming boosts.
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