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Ohdamn
Germany765 Posts
veeeeeeeeeery intense match :X but still pretty sad to see that idra scouted the cancel in the first game IMMEDIATELY and still didn't have a chance at all.... are we supposed to do a roach/ling all-in everytime it looks like the Protoss is doing a 3gate expand?? because if you play normal in order to not get behind in the mid game you almost instantly lose against the cancel | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
 over *TSL Spoiler*+ Show Spoiler + Mondragon losing to CrunCher in TsL3 | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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UltramilK
Belgium92 Posts
On April 19 2011 02:49 Jinsho wrote: I think IdrA was just being overly critical of himself. Remember that for him any strategy that does not leave room for drones and expos is an all-in ;D That is exactly what an all-in is. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On April 19 2011 02:35 Essentia wrote: ppl think anything other than 100 percent standard play is cheese. What they also don't understand is that all-ins are a part of standard play. | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
On April 19 2011 02:51 stevarius wrote: What they also don't understand is that all-ins are a part of standard play. What they don't (seem to) understand too is that a strategy that, when scouted, forces and all in, is incredibly unfair? Especially if the Protoss can transition and the Zerg cannot? | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
That might be the broadest definition, but I feel there is a significant difference between a 12 drone 2 spine all-in and a two-base hydra timing attack "all-in". I really wouldn't say that the two are the same, and my point is that IdrA was likely being too pedantic in his interview. EDIT: vvv And yes, anything you do after you've mined out your base is an all-in because you can't replenish. At that point though the word "all-in" really becomes a very broad term and I do not think that we should be using it this way. More narrowly defined, I think an all-in could be called "a strategy off 1, maybe 2 bases where you only build units until you or the opponent GGs". Seeing it under that light, I would probably agree that + Show Spoiler + IdrA did an all-in in Games 2 and 3 Games 2 and 3 then? | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
200 drones and every base mined out is an all in then. ca..ca..contradiction? | ||
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UltramilK
Belgium92 Posts
On April 19 2011 03:38 Jinsho wrote: That might be the broadest definition, but I feel there is a significant difference between a 12 drone 2 spine all-in and a two-base hydra timing attack "all-in". I really wouldn't say that the two are the same, and my point is that IdrA was likely being too pedantic in his interview. Yes, I see what you mean but it is more or less the same thing in reality: If it fails, you're (more or less) dead. The thing is timing attacks for zerg don't really exist without going all-in. | ||
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UltramilK
Belgium92 Posts
On April 19 2011 03:41 mprs wrote: 200 drones and every base mined out is an all in then. ca..ca..contradiction? o.O No... thats the opposite of it, as that is the max amount of drones/expo's possible | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
On April 19 2011 03:48 UltramilK wrote: Yes, I see what you mean but it is more or less the same thing in reality: If it fails, you're (more or less) dead. The thing is timing attacks for zerg don't really exist without going all-in. That is pretty interesting, why do you think that is the case? I haven't thought about this before, is it due to the defensive structures of Terran and Protoss which would allow them to turtle up when losing a ton of units? Whereas Zerg cannot quite do that, lacking means of defensive wall-off and defensive units? | ||
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
On April 19 2011 03:41 mprs wrote: 200 drones and every base mined out is an all in then. ca..ca..contradiction? Not really. If you have no money in the bank, no minerals left on the map, and your only chance to win is to a-move with whatever units you have left..... than in fact you are all-in. You're trying too hard to be argumentative. | ||
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UltramilK
Belgium92 Posts
but what do I know?  | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
Even if socke just would have done the 3 gate, idra probebly would have done enough dmg to be back on track. So glad that idrA won anyway! | ||
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LedFarmer
United States161 Posts
Thank you! Was just about to post this myself. Hopefully sanity will be restored to the Idra fan club thread! (Doubt it though  ) | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
IdrA is streaming. Let's LR! | ||
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
On April 19 2011 03:38 Jinsho wrote: That might be the broadest definition, but I feel there is a significant difference between a 12 drone 2 spine all-in and a two-base hydra timing attack "all-in". I really wouldn't say that the two are the same, and my point is that IdrA was likely being too pedantic in his interview. EDIT: vvv And yes, anything you do after you've mined out your base is an all-in because you can't replenish. At that point though the word "all-in" really becomes a very broad term and I do not think that we should be using it this way. More narrowly defined, I think an all-in could be called "a strategy off 1, maybe 2 bases where you only build units until you or the opponent GGs". Seeing it under that light, I would probably agree that + Show Spoiler + IdrA did an all-in in Games 2 and 3 Games 2 and 3 then? An all-in is defined as a strategy with no viable transition if it fails or doesn't pan out. It's all relative. 2 base hydra is an all in because at that point in the game you need more than 30 something drones and 2 bases to compete with a 2 base fully saturated and teching protoss. Having 12 drones may look a million times more all in but some kind of a 12 drone rush would come very early in the game where toss would also be on 1 base... That hydra drop game, Idra sacrificed a lot of economy (on top of making hydras which are near worthless after collosus are out). If he didn't do game ending damage there would be no way for him to keep up in macro with Socke, making his build all in. | ||
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Gustis
Lithuania70 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 19 2011 05:57 Gustis wrote: Hey guys. Im currently working on some fanart about idra. Im looking for audio/video footage of idra talking funny things/bm/memorable quotes. Could somebody drop some links of such kind of stuff? It's on the front page. | ||
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